Jury finds Pharrell, Thicke copied for 'Blurred Lines' song
Source: AP
LOS ANGELES (AP) A jury awarded Marvin Gaye's children nearly $7.4 million Tuesday after determining singers Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams copied their father's music to create "Blurred Lines," the biggest hit song of 2013.
Gaye's daughter Nona Gaye wept as the verdict was read and was hugged by her attorney.
"Right now, I feel free," she said outside court. "Free from ... Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke's chains and what they tried to keep on us and the lies that were told."
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Their lawyer, Richard Busch, branded Williams and Thicke liars who went beyond trying to emulate the sound of Gaye's late-1970s music and copied the R&B legend's hit "Got to Give It Up" outright.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/29a2f65bbc7f4327b93d8f6e08a955d1/jury-resumes-deliberating-blurred-lines-song-copying-case
I wonder what precedent this will set.
A current popular song is "Uptown Funk" by Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars, whose beat sounds similar in style to "Living in America" by James Brown.
And a lot of hip hop music sampled (legally) past beats. For instance, "It Ain't Hard to Tell" by Nas sampled "Human Nature" by Michael Jackson in the beat. (You can look up these songs on YouTube yourself; I don't want to post a bunch of embeds and possibly crash some computers.) On the other hand, some albums failed to obtain proper clearance for samples, such as Notorious BIG's Ready to Die.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
brachism
(82 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Glimmer of Hope
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(41,757 posts)2naSalit
(86,600 posts)Like the parodies better than the actual Robin Thicke thing!
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And the "Human Nature" bit on "Ain't Hard to Tell" is (IMO) one of the most brilliant uses of sampling ever.
Guys like Thicke and Mars, on the other hand, will be forgotten in ten years.
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2naSalit
(86,600 posts)when what's-her-name did that nasty pseudo dance attempt at twerking while he sang it on whatever show that was.
Eeeeeeewe!
But then there was the first parody I saw...
http://vimeo.com/73587193
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Songs have Chords, songs have patterns and content.
When working musicians start learning a new song they (usually) know what's coming next in the "Lines", chords and pattern of a song.
You don't really think that we have to start from scratch every time. ???
Imagine you know lot of Photo editing software.....and then buy Adobe Elements photo editing software.
You don't have to start all over again and learn EVERYTHiNG. It's kinda' like that.
On Edit: My point being is a lot of songs are extremely close to other tunes and some are downright close copies of old classical, jazz, showtunes and whatever.
If a person wanted to...they could pretty much spend their whole life in court arguing what's "New"
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Very similar.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...any Blues Player will tell you that the difference in a lot of tunes is minuscule.
Personally, being cursed/blessed with perfect pitch, I see tons of stuff that was either directly stolen from somewhere else or a divine coincidence.
Having said all that..I don't want anybody to get screwed out of what is rightfully theirs either.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Yes, there are only so many chord progressions and patterns. Blues songs will follow an established pattern and modern pop might follow others.
But, this and other instances (the Grammy winner who copied Tom Petty!) are not just standing on the shoulders of giants, they are ripping them off.
I produce Hip-Hop and actually sell loops and beats. I sample a lot of stuff. I have to be very careful what I sample and the source material. Some is copyright free. Some is not. I have found though that artists love having their works sampled as long as you ask them. (Well some are assholes but that's another story!)
I have been able to secure rights to some 8 bar chord progressions or some 16 bar funk brass selections from very well known songs. I ask. I pay. I move on. I don't rip them off. I don't copy it and claim ignorance later.
A side by side comparison of this song with Gaye's shows that it is plagiarism and not inspiration. I am glad to see a ruling get this right. I don't like excessively long copyright agreements per se, but in this case, justice was served.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I'm extremely wishy-washy when it comes to judging what is the same or not.
It's almost like the old theme... What is Art? (depends on who is there)
I respect your thoughts on the subject.
TM99
(8,352 posts)This one even has the same opening with the sounds of a party, the same bass riffs, the same key, and the same vocal stylings.
That is more than just being inspired by a song.
a kennedy
(29,658 posts)bout time. JMHO. How many other songs have been "used" for other singers hits. Happy that Marvin got his due.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)the current length of copyright has become perverted.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)The songs are different, but with a similar style. Imitating style isn't the same as copying the song. They did nothing wrong. This will potentially hurt the future of music.
BumRushDaShow
(128,958 posts)was "Rapper's Delight" in '79 where the Sugar Hill Gang was sued by Chic for the straight rip of "Good Times".
There have been a lot of sampling over the years although I understand that they can do up to 7 notes or something (out of 8).
One recent example that I researched was Kanye West's "Through the Wire" which was basically Chaka Khan's song "Through the Fire", with the melody sung speeded-up, but then slowed to achieve the correct pitch (I want to say like how they did The Chipmunks singing). Apparently they credited the writer of "Through the Fire" (versus the group Rufus) and I'm guessing they paid the royalty to him.
SWV had a "Human Nature Mix" of their song "Right Here". I even heard one recently that used the Jackson's "Can You Feel It" (slowed down) in the background. Can't remember the female artist's name.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)I was high on vicodin and alcohol when I showed up at the studio. So my recollection is when we made the song, I thought I wanted I I wanted to be more involved than I actually was by the time, nine months later, it became a huge hit and I wanted credit. So I started kind of convincing myself that I was a little more part of it than I was and I because I didnt want him I wanted some credit for this big hit. But the reality is, is that Pharrell had the beat and he wrote almost every single part of the song.
Williams said he was in the drivers seat for this song, but explained that sharing credit is the norm for the music industry. You know, people are made to look like they have much more authorship in the situation than they actually do. So thats where the embellishment comes in. When asked whose words were used in the lyrics, Williams answered: Mine. Williams also said that its Robin Thickes voice that makes the song great: Because its the white man singing soulfully and we, unfortunately, in this country dont get enough we dont get to hear that as often, so we get excited by it when the mainstream gives that a shot.
Thicke also admitted he lied to media outlets about the genesis of the song, like when he described the creative process to GQ: Pharrell and I were in the studio and I told him that one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gayes Got to Give It Up. I was like, Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove. Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it. As for why, exactly, he lied, Thicke says that he had a drug and alcohol problem for the year and didnt do a sober interview.
If you want the real reason why Blurred Lines sold 7 million copies, check out the video. Hmmm -- since they played the video in court, maybe Thicke and Pharrell can appeal on the grounds that the jury found the video to be too sexist! Anyhoo, cue the Vonage theme!
rocktivity
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The song is vile (I do defend it's right to exist as the first amendment required).
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)And you can sample any artists song into yours if you get their permission.