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shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:42 AM Mar 2015

Draft agreement cuts Iran's nuclear hardware

Source: AP

LAUSANNE, Switzerland (AP) — The United States and Iran are drafting elements of a nuclear deal that commits Tehran to a 40 percent cut in the number of machines it could use to make an atomic bomb, officials told The Associated Press on Thursday. In return, the Iranians would get quick relief from some crippling economic sanctions and a partial lift of a U.N. embargo on conventional arms.

Agreement on Iran's uranium enrichment program could signal a breakthrough for a larger deal aimed at containing the Islamic Republic's nuclear activities.

The sides are racing to meet a March 31 deadline for a framework pact and a full agreement by the end of June — even as the U.S. Congress keeps up pressure on the administration to avoid any agreement leaving Iran with an avenue to become a nuclear power.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4c7ad2158ed944579dc1e7ed6c550899/ap-exclusive-iran-limited-6k-centrifuges-draft-accord

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shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
3. People from Iran have told me netanyahu saved the deal
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:19 AM
Mar 2015

The hardliners in iran were bitterly disappointed that the interim deal gave so much away for only limited sanctions relief. The Iranian press was full of people saying that this was a stitch up, that the west was going to do to Iran what it had done to Saddam Hussein. They will ask us to entirely disarm and then invade us anyway.

The fact that netanyahu hated the deal so much gave the reformists wings. They said it must be good if he hates it. When the rift between Obama and netanyahu grew and grew, the Iranians' willingness to trust Obama increased exponentially. I don't think that they would have agreed to timelines on the sanctions relief otherwise.

So ironically netanyahu deserves a fair bit of credit for the deal.

The article doesn't mention it but I presume that the stockpile size in Iranian possession at any one time will be 500kg as per earlier reports. They get to keep more of the gun but have to give away more of the bullets, which is fair enough.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. US removes Iran and Hezbollah from list of terror threats
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:16 AM
Mar 2015

Wednesday, March 18, 2015

An annual security report submitted recently to the US Senate by James Clapper, director of National Intelligence, removed both Iran and Hezbollah from the list of terrorism threats to the United States for the first time in years.


The unclassified version of the "Worldwide Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Communities" dated 26 February, noted Iran's efforts to fight "Sunni extremists", including elements affiliated with the Islamic State group who were perceived to constitute the "preeminent terrorist threat to American interests worldwide".

Last year's report described the global terrorist activity of Lebanon's Shia Hezbollah group to have increased in recent years to "a level we have not seen since the 1990s", however this year's report mentioned the group only once saying it faces a threat from ISIS and Al-Nusra Front near Lebanon's orders.

Meanwhile, despite removing Tehran from the list, the report described it as source of cyber-attacks and a regional threat to the United States because of its support for Syrian regime President Bashar Al-Assad and its hostile policies against Israel.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/17579-us-removes-iran-and-hezbollah-from-list-of-terror-threats

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
6. I wonder if they'll go feral if a deed is signed?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:26 AM
Mar 2015

There were signs of that at the start of the Obama presidency, when it seemed that he was serious about putting material pressure on Israel regarding settlements.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. I imagine it is what they'll do if they believe he is considering anything right now that
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:10 AM
Mar 2015

would upset the status quo. On the subject of the occupation, I don't know.
It is a whole different ball game than Iran. Let's say he abstains from a
from a vote..that would be huge, but if that resolution leads to a
an Israel with the WB settlements and all arable land for them, what will
that leave the Palestinians but a bantustan and a town for a capital?
RoR? Would the Palestinians receive a just compensation? I doubt it.

Unfortunately, not many seem to talk about this OP.. see below.

Although I feel it is safe to say Beinart is acquiring the background information
details from sources like Chomsky and Finkelstein, he did, to his credit, send a warning
and considering he is considered less of a threat than those two experts, his warning
has been pretty much ignored by the MSM when they do speak on the topic.

With that said, it is now Obama who holds the upper hand, what he does with it, I have
no guess. You would need to answer the question, I feel, how much does the US gain, from their
perspective, to make it worth it. All hell would break lose here..so I don't know.

There is the small possibility that the Palestinians will decide they have had enough and approach
massive civil disobedience and make it impossible for the EU and US to ignore them since Bibi's
full admission, which he made as PM, not a candidate. Maybe. They have been so beaten down
at every turn..so hard to know what they'll do with trusting Abbas.


March, 2014

snip*But there’s a problem with being desperate for a deal: You lose your leverage over its content. Kerry and the rest of the Obama foreign policy team know that if they present a framework that Benjamin Netanyahu dislikes, he and the right-leaning American Jewish establishment will make their lives miserable. If, on the other hand, they present a framework that tilts against the Palestinians, the resulting Palestinian outrage will be far easier to withstand. That’s partly because Palestinians wield little influence in Washington. And it’s partly because we liberal Zionists—desperate to see Kerry succeed—have given every indication that we’ll support whatever he serves up, the particulars be damned.

The consequences of this political imbalance have been quietly playing themselves out for months now. Numerous press reports have suggested that Kerry is contemplating a framework that offers the Palestinians substantially less than what Bill Clinton offered them in December 2000 and what Ehud Olmert offered in 2008.

The Clinton parameters, for instance, called for Israeli troops to leave the Jordan Valley—the twenty-five percent of the West Bank that abuts its border with Jordan— within three years of a peace deal. Olmert was willing to withdraw them even faster.

Mahmoud Abbas is also reportedly calling for a transition of three to five years. Netanyahu, by contrast, depending on whose reporting you believe, insists that Israeli troops must remain for ten or even forty years.

And Kerry? Palestinian sources say he’s endorsed the ten-year timetable. According to the Washington Post, he’s suggested somewhere between five and fifteen.

Kerry’s proposal, in other words, violates both the Clinton parameters and the understanding reached by Olmert and Abbas. Yet with rare exceptions, liberal Zionists aren’t protesting at all.

That’s just the beginning. When it comes to Jerusalem, the Clinton Parameters declared that, “the general principle is that Arab areas are Palestinian and Jewish ones are Israeli.”

According to Bernard Avishai, Olmert and Abbas agreed to the same concept: “Jewish neighborhoods [of Jerusalem] should remain under Israeli sovereignty, while Arab neighborhoods would revert to Palestinian sovereignty.”

And Kerry? In January, Israeli television reported that he had offered to locate the Palestinian capital in only one, relatively remote, neighborhood of East Jerusalem. (Either Isawiya, Beit Hanina, Shuafat or Abu Dis, which is not even in Jerusalem at all). Late last month, the Palestinians leaked that Kerry had again offered them a capital in Beit Hanina alone.

Notice a pattern? Once again, assuming the reports are true, Kerry is pulling back from the principles established by both Clinton and Olmert. And once again, liberal Zionists are cheering him on.

It’s the same with refugees. To be sure, neither Clinton nor Olmert believed vast numbers of Palestinians who had fled their homes during Israel’s war of independence would return. The Clinton parameters declared that while a newly created Palestinian state “would be the focal point for Palestinians who choose to return to the area,” Israel would “establish a policy so that some of the refugees would be absorbed into Israel consistent with Israel’s sovereign decision.” Olmert translated that into numbers. He said Israel could accept 15,000 refugees. (Abbas wanted perhaps ten times as many).

But neither Clinton nor Olmert took the position that no Palestinians could return at all. Yet according to several reports, Kerry has done just that.

Similarly, the Clinton Parameters say nothing about the Palestinians recognizing Israel as a “Jewish state.” (As opposed to merely recognizing Israel, which the PLO did in 1993). And while Olmert did raise the “Jewish state” issue, he didn’t accord it the centrality Netanyahu has. It’s not even clear that he included the demand in the final peace proposal he offered Abbas. Yet, Kerry, according to multiple leaks, has made Netanyahu’s “Jewish State” demand his own.

You have to hand it to Netanyahu. He has steadfastly rejected the axioms that guided Israeli-Palestinian negotiations in the past. (Remember, he still hasn’t even accepted the principle of the 1967 lines plus land swaps). In so doing, he has so shifted the terms of debate that positions once considered too radical for an Israeli prime minister to espouse are now considered American compromises.

But the result may deeply self-defeating. Even before these latest talks, Mahmoud Abbas had already recognized Israel’s right to exist, eschewed violence, acknowledged that Israel would control the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem, accepted that some Israeli settlements could stay in return for land swaps, said a Palestinian state would have no real army and declared that Palestinian refugee return could not transform Israel’s “social composition.”

These concessions have damaged Abbas politically; many Palestinians already consider him a sell-out. Pushing him further is not just bad for the Palestinians. It’s bad for Israel. No credible Palestinian leader can leave most of Palestinian East Jerusalem under Israeli control or bless long-term Israeli control over the eastern border of a Palestinian state. Even if Kerry and Netanyahu could somehow bludgeon Abbas into accepting those terms, the result would be a crippled leader of a non-viable state.

More likely, if the reports about what Kerry is contemplating are true, Abbas will refuse - and via international lawsuits and economic boycotts, move the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into arenas where Israel is more vulnerable. The American Jewish right will triumphantly declare that, yet again, the Palestinians have rejected peace. And liberal Zionists, having written John Kerry a blank check, will be utterly at sea.

Right now, before the Kerry mission comes any closer to fruition, J Street should declare its support for the Clinton parameters and the (partial) understandings reached by Olmert and Abbas. The next time a newspaper reports that Kerry is caving to Netanyahu and insisting that Abbas make concessions that go beyond what he was asked to accept in past negotiations, J Street should raise a stink. In so doing, it would show the White House, and its own members, that being a liberal Zionist does not mean slavishly supporting whatever diplomatic proposal an American administration gins up. It means supporting a genuinely viable Palestinian state, one that is economically and politically strong enough to offer Palestinians a decent future, a decent future that will help safeguard Israel’s as well.

Failing to reach a deal would not be the worst outcome of Kerry’s diplomatic crusade. The worst outcome would be for America to endorse a deal that is unworkable and unjust. It’s time for liberal Zionists to starting saying that now, while there’s still time.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579441

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