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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:15 PM Mar 2015

Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law

Source: Indianapolis Star

Soon after Gov. Mike Pence signed the religious freedom bill into law Thursday, Salesforce.com founder and CEO Marc Benioff announced on Twitter that he would no longer send employees or customers to Indiana.

"Today we are canceling all programs that require our customers/employees to travel to Indiana to face discrimination," he tweeted.

Salesforce, a cloud computing company headquartered in San Francisco, acquired Indianapolis-based marketing software company ExactTarget last year for $2.5 billion.

... In a tweet sent out to his 150,000 followers Wednesday night, Benioff said his cloud computing company would be "forced to dramatically reduce (its) investment in IN based on (its) employee's & customer's outrage over the Religious Freedom Bill."

Read more: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/03/25/business-leaders-address-letter-to-pence-urging-him-to-veto-religious-freedom-bill/70466808/

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Salesforce won't travel to Indiana over religious freedom law (Original Post) Newsjock Mar 2015 OP
The Boycott of Indiana begins. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #1
other companies should do the same. samsingh Mar 2015 #2
Bravo...... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #3
The Colts can move back to Baltimore! KamaAina Mar 2015 #4
Iowa will take 'em 47of74 Mar 2015 #34
I'm sorry...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #47
But those Cleveland Browns are now the Ravens. KamaAina Mar 2015 #55
Can we please stop messing with my Browns? Enthusiast Mar 2015 #68
Can we give Indiana the Raiders? Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #56
Well, it's not like they're an NFL team KamaAina Mar 2015 #57
Word! Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #58
Yeah, you better hide ... brett_jv Mar 2015 #64
But the Raiders front office has been bellyaching that they really, really need a good place to play Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #71
Pence does not believe boycotts will succeed. old guy Mar 2015 #5
Maybe the NFL should quit playing games in his state rurallib Mar 2015 #7
do you know if the NFL has spoken of this bill? just curious riversedge Mar 2015 #30
See #4 above KamaAina Mar 2015 #36
#1 riversedge Mar 2015 #29
The boycotts hurt Colorado in the 90's mountain grammy Mar 2015 #37
Of course they have one! MyOwnPeace Mar 2015 #44
Dan Quayle wasn't the only Hoosier to come out of Indiana LittleGirl Mar 2015 #66
Haha. You reap what you sow. Funny, the karma here, when you abuse your neighbor, you get punished. closeupready Mar 2015 #6
I pulled one of our companies out of a state purely because of the RW politicians and RKP5637 Mar 2015 #8
Good, RKP, thanks.. personally, I changed mechanics back in the early part of the century bc Cha Mar 2015 #50
Oh, boy. This is going to be interesting...on a personal level. mnhtnbb Mar 2015 #9
It will be so interesting.. we'll see what would have happened in Arizona had the Gov signed the Cha Mar 2015 #53
reap the whirlwind, mutherfukcers frylock Mar 2015 #10
Berlin 1933 olddots Mar 2015 #11
then Nuremburg Laws of 1935 for German racial purity against Jews and others appalachiablue Mar 2015 #60
"Salesforce" sucks ass. PassingFair Mar 2015 #12
It seems to be more than a gesture matt819 Mar 2015 #13
I think that they should be forced to post their bigotry on their doors. PassingFair Mar 2015 #14
Can't agree with you more. matt819 Mar 2015 #15
How about a swastika tattoo on their foreheads? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #17
But think about this as if it were McDonalds erronis Mar 2015 #18
That's why I said..."but this is a nice gesture!" PassingFair Mar 2015 #21
Maybe your integration isn't done correctly- snooper2 Mar 2015 #22
A Democrat in the OK state legislature added an amendment avebury Mar 2015 #25
+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #61
Indiana, Arizona, Alabama, MS, LA, TX, GA, SC lark Mar 2015 #16
It's like "don't buy books by crooks." That's what came out of the Watergate era. calimary Mar 2015 #19
Or quit flying since the TSA (and the airlines) make it such a horrible experience erronis Mar 2015 #20
Yeah, I don't love flying either. lark Mar 2015 #27
Don't forget Arkansas. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #23
Arkansas was never a place I wanted to go. lark Mar 2015 #26
We have a lot of liberals here, just out moneyed. We even had a liberal Republican governor once. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #33
We were only in Arkansas for two days - raven mad Mar 2015 #46
Yeah, good luck "courting business" with your discrimination laws, bigot. Thanks for the Cha Mar 2015 #54
At least last year our governor (coerced by businesses), vetoed similar legislation. dbackjon Mar 2015 #24
Which state are you from? Hard to trust a state where the 'uglicans have taken control erronis Mar 2015 #28
It is that redneck attitude, "I bet I can piss further than you", they have to go further than the LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #35
Arizona dbackjon Mar 2015 #38
No, genetics has nothing to do with it. White mainly southern people have the same genes totodeinhere Mar 2015 #40
Exactly. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #49
It's Called Flyover Country for a Reason AndyTiedye Mar 2015 #63
Mike Pence is a Dominionist. Demit Mar 2015 #31
All made-up garbage. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #52
Reminds me of Germany circa 1930's lobodons Mar 2015 #32
1935 Nuremburg Laws for Germanic racial purity against Jews and others appalachiablue Mar 2015 #62
I think there is a good chance that the courts will intervene totodeinhere Mar 2015 #39
Another job and investment killing bill passed by Republicans.... blackspade Mar 2015 #41
Indiana, I can quit you. nt TeamPooka Mar 2015 #42
The GOP would LOVE for Indiana to be driven into bankruptcy. Look at all the State's treasures they blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #43
I love a good boycott that starts with a huge bang like this! raven mad Mar 2015 #45
I was looking for news of this.. I was going to post it in GD.. but, this will do.. mahalo, Newsjock Cha Mar 2015 #48
Boycott all right wing sharia law states! workinclasszero Mar 2015 #51
Some large corporations with Indiana plants will be forced Chipper Chat Mar 2015 #59
I am so angry I am going to stop watching "The Middle" which is set in Indiana. Hugin Mar 2015 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #67
I would love to see a person open a business in Indiana and discriminate against Christians. Vinca Mar 2015 #69
Give it ten years HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #70
Not to mention, Texas. Rozlee Mar 2015 #72
I just love Republican branding of laws packman Mar 2015 #73
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
4. The Colts can move back to Baltimore!
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:23 PM
Mar 2015

Then the Ravens could move back to Cleveland, and the present-day Browns could fill the void in L.A. Problem solved!

edit: Of course, we are talking about a team that once employed uber-homophobe Tony Dungy.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
47. I'm sorry......
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:21 PM
Mar 2015

...but if anybody's going to LA, it should be the Ravens.

- Because, seniority:

The Cleveland Browns were founded in 1945 by businessman Arthur B. “Mickey” McBride and coach Paul Brown as a charter member of the All-America Football Conference (AAFC), which began play the following year. The Cleveland Browns went on to dominate the AAFC, compiling a 47–4–3 record in the league's four active seasons and winning its championship in each of them. When the AAFC folded after the 1949 season, the Browns joined the National Football League (along with the San Francisco 49ers and the original Baltimore Colts). link

Brother Buzz

(36,429 posts)
71. But the Raiders front office has been bellyaching that they really, really need a good place to play
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

And the Colts' Lucas Oil Stadium was again named the best stadium experience in the NFL this year.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
5. Pence does not believe boycotts will succeed.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:27 PM
Mar 2015

He was warned but chose the path he took. Time will tell.

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
7. Maybe the NFL should quit playing games in his state
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:33 PM
Mar 2015

isn't that what brought Arizona around on MLK day?

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
37. The boycotts hurt Colorado in the 90's
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:41 PM
Mar 2015

but Colorado has a large tourist industry. Does Indiana? Whatever, I hope they are boycotted and shunned a whole bunch.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
44. Of course they have one!
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:42 PM
Mar 2015

You can go to the Dan Quayle Museum and see such things as:

1. His spelling homework (tomato - tomatoe)

2. Brilliant quotes:

* "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

*"What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is."

*"We will invest in our people, quality education, job opportunity, family, neighborhood, and yes, a thing we call America."

Really, how could you EVAR pass that up (I looked up "evar" in the Dan Quayle Dictionary and that was OK!)

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
66. Dan Quayle wasn't the only Hoosier to come out of Indiana
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:35 AM
Mar 2015

Michael Jackson
Mohammed Ali
David Letterman
Jane Pauley (Garry Trudeau's wife).

just to name a few of those that left the state and are known worldwide now. Like me, I left the state and only go back for visits to my elderly Mother. You have to understand that most of the population of Indiana came from the southern states like Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc. Those people got up there in the 40s and 50s when there were manufacturing jobs that the south didn't have. Some of those people never left the state after that, like ever. There are a lot of us that left the state in the 80s-00s because those jobs went to the no-union south, then Mexico, then China and India.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. Haha. You reap what you sow. Funny, the karma here, when you abuse your neighbor, you get punished.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:29 PM
Mar 2015

Free market remedies. Gotta love 'em. K&R

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
8. I pulled one of our companies out of a state purely because of the RW politicians and
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:40 PM
Mar 2015

their attack legislation! There are far too many other places to carry on a business. What's next on their agenda? Blacks, Mexicans, Latinos? I feel sorry for people in such a horrific place.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
50. Good, RKP, thanks.. personally, I changed mechanics back in the early part of the century bc
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:31 PM
Mar 2015

I saw he was watching fox "news" when I took my car in.

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
9. Oh, boy. This is going to be interesting...on a personal level.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:40 PM
Mar 2015

One of my gay sons works for a world wide company headquartered in Indiana...but his office is here in the Triangle
area of NC.



Cha

(297,220 posts)
53. It will be so interesting.. we'll see what would have happened in Arizona had the Gov signed the
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:37 PM
Mar 2015

the discrimination bill the bigoted AZ legislature came up with.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
13. It seems to be more than a gesture
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:04 PM
Mar 2015

They paid $2.5 billion for a company in IN and are not sending customers or employees there and are considering reducing their presence there. That's more than a gesture. Regardless of what you think of their product.

Here's a question. Let's say you do business with people in Indiana. Do you adopt a don't ask don't tell approach or do you come right out and ask if they discriminate based on religion?

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
14. I think that they should be forced to post their bigotry on their doors.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:09 PM
Mar 2015

I think it should be part of the new "law".

Also, I REALLY hate using Salesforce!

matt819

(10,749 posts)
15. Can't agree with you more.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:15 PM
Mar 2015

I read some of the comments on the paper's website, and some of them were in favor of the bill and contemptuous of people like us. They truly believe that somehow they are going to come out on top in this "debate." Pathetic.

erronis

(15,254 posts)
18. But think about this as if it were McDonalds
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:29 PM
Mar 2015

I have no love of SaleForce either since it essentially tried to close down several good open-source alternatives to CRM.

I also have no stomach for McDonalds (or PizzaHut/Cocolala) but my personal dislike of their products does not diminish my plaudits for any corporation that uses this tactic to fight against the racist/misogynist plutocrats that are trying to take over this poor country. I might even take a bite of something of theirs if they'll follow suit.

After all, all those people (kochs and wannabes) understand is when their bottom line is severely impacted.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
21. That's why I said..."but this is a nice gesture!"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:35 PM
Mar 2015

P.S.
I would rather eat at McDonalds than use SalesForce.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
22. Maybe your integration isn't done correctly-
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

SalesForce federation with voice products is a huge deal...On my list as we build new products

avebury

(10,952 posts)
25. A Democrat in the OK state legislature added an amendment
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:49 PM
Mar 2015

to a similar law that would have required business to post notice of their bigotry. The statute (at this point) did not make it into law. She is said that she will keep her eyes open if the Republicans try to make a run at passing another bigotry law/

lark

(23,099 posts)
16. Indiana, Arizona, Alabama, MS, LA, TX, GA, SC
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:23 PM
Mar 2015

The list of states I won't visit or drive through is increasing so much, I now have to fly just about anywhere I want to go. Quit driving to the jazz fest in NO 15 years ago after being harassed, shaken down, by the cops in rural LA. We have flown there every year since then, it's a wonderful event. Quit driving in TX and MS after threatening behavior in restaurants 25 years ago. Won't go to the other places due to their dumbfuckery and bad laws now.

calimary

(81,265 posts)
19. It's like "don't buy books by crooks." That's what came out of the Watergate era.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:32 PM
Mar 2015

All those fucking Nixon felons who went to jail, some of 'em "found Jesus," and all of 'em wrote books, memoirs and stuff. There arose a movement urging - "don't buy books by crooks."

Same thing here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/01/1288957/-Sign-the-pledge-Don-t-buy-these-Koch-products?detail=email

Sometimes you have to vote with your pocketbook. You're really voting with your conscience.

erronis

(15,254 posts)
20. Or quit flying since the TSA (and the airlines) make it such a horrible experience
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:33 PM
Mar 2015

Of course both of these nice little organizations collect a lot more than your body images when you fly into/out of their control.

It amazes me that major conventions still book venues in these dumb-ass states. How about we all agree to not drive/fly into any state that has a red governor or a 'uglican-controlled legislature? Wouldn't bother me a-tall.

lark

(23,099 posts)
27. Yeah, I don't love flying either.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:51 PM
Mar 2015

Right now, though, it seems safer than the alternative of driving through some of these crazy ass states. I often refuse to go through the scanner things, it's such an invasion of privacy. The pat downs aren't as intrustive as the scanners, IMO. Only if time if short will I go through the scanners.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
33. We have a lot of liberals here, just out moneyed. We even had a liberal Republican governor once.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:32 PM
Mar 2015

This last anti-gay bill was made possible by a Democratic state senator. It would not have passed if not for him. The governor said he would sign it before the Democrat okayed it out of committee.

I think that summarized our national problem. The republicans in Washington can almost be handled, it's the damn democrats that stab us in the backs that hurt the most.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
46. We were only in Arkansas for two days -
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:30 PM
Mar 2015

did a run through the Ozarks and camped near Mt. Nebo. Some of the nicest folks in the world, hosting a couple of aging hippies on a motorcycle on a run from Fairbanks, Alaska to Merritt Island, Florida.

Also one of the better camping areas we stayed in.

But we weren't there for anything political, so all I can say is, no one treated us badly at all, and they could have!

Cha

(297,220 posts)
54. Yeah, good luck "courting business" with your discrimination laws, bigot. Thanks for the
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:41 PM
Mar 2015

compelling graphic, LA

erronis

(15,254 posts)
28. Which state are you from? Hard to trust a state where the 'uglicans have taken control
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:07 PM
Mar 2015

Whether they back down for the time being. Sort of like when the confederacy lost its battle to enslave other people, pretended to rejoin the union of humans, and then reverted to its old boy attitudes.

Has anyone looked at the genetic possibilities that these white mainly southern people just can't control themselves? Perhaps they are just incapable of rational though and action - perhaps they should be treated as sub-humans (fair play?).

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
35. It is that redneck attitude, "I bet I can piss further than you", they have to go further than the
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:36 PM
Mar 2015

other guy. "I beat up two figs last night", "Hey that's nothing I did 3 the other night".

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
38. Arizona
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:57 PM
Mar 2015

And it is not just whites. Many, many blacks oppose equality for LGBT Americans.

And look at Africa and the Middle East - some of the worst anti-LGBT violence happens there.



totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
40. No, genetics has nothing to do with it. White mainly southern people have the same genes
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 03:03 PM
Mar 2015

that you and I do. And remember that in this case we are talking about Indiana which was not a part of the Confederacy. I guess I am uncomfortable about singling out white southern people when racism is rampant everywhere, not just in the South.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
31. Mike Pence is a Dominionist.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:12 PM
Mar 2015

I've been reading up on Ted Cruz, and his crazy pastor father's belief in the "Seven Mountains mandate" and the "being the head and not the tail" and all that. It is scary.

Seven Mountains Dominionism has a plan to defeat the forces of Satan, attain the goal of a Christian theocracy in America and eventually the entire world, in order to prepare the world for the return of Christ. There are seven sections of the culture targeted for infiltration: 1) government, 2) education, 3) media, 4) arts & entertainment, 5) religion, 6) family, and 7) business.

Business is the most important area to control. "So much of culture is defined by what happens in business," they say. Watch the vid at http://www.7culturalmountains.org

This isn't far off in the future. As we see, this is happening now.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
32. Reminds me of Germany circa 1930's
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:22 PM
Mar 2015

Also fine line to discriminate against skin color, other religions.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
39. I think there is a good chance that the courts will intervene
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:57 PM
Mar 2015

and overturn this unconstitutional law. I suspect that opponents of the law will be in court right away asking for a temporary injunction.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
43. The GOP would LOVE for Indiana to be driven into bankruptcy. Look at all the State's treasures they
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:06 PM
Mar 2015

could scoop up for pennies on the dollar.

It's what they'd call a "win-win."


Cha

(297,220 posts)
48. I was looking for news of this.. I was going to post it in GD.. but, this will do.. mahalo, Newsjock
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:23 PM
Mar 2015

Salesforce CEO Benioff Takes Stand Against Indiana Anti-Gay Law
By Arik Hesseldahl @ahess247

Benioff cancels company events in the state and promises more "economic sanctions" if the law isn't reversed.
Re/code @Recode
104 Retweets 135 favorites 10:01 AM - 26 Mar 2015

"We’ve made significant investments in Indiana. We run major marketing events and conferences there. We’re a major source of income and revenue to the state of Indiana, but we simply cannot support this kind of legislation,” Benioff said in a phone interview."

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/03/26/the-president-delivers-remarks-on-the-economy-2/

Yay.. thank you, Marc Benioff of Salesforce!
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
51. Boycott all right wing sharia law states!
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:32 PM
Mar 2015

Hit these anti-freedom fanatic republicans where it hurts them the most!

In the damn wallet!

Chipper Chat

(9,678 posts)
59. Some large corporations with Indiana plants will be forced
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:10 AM
Mar 2015

to come to terms with this law vis a vis their company non-discrimination policies. If General Motors, Chrysler, Eli Lilly, Subaru, Cummins Diesel move to another state it would break Indiana. Thanks republicans!

Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
69. I would love to see a person open a business in Indiana and discriminate against Christians.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:55 AM
Mar 2015

"Grandma's Bakery, No Christians Allowed." When asked, Grandma could say her religion opposes Christians.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
72. Not to mention, Texas.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

Although, a recent study showed that most big cities in Texas trend liberal. It's all the teahadist-heavy rural areas down here that keep churning out the crazies. Plus, the fact that we've got the lowest voter turnout in the nation. If we Hispanics got off our duffs and voted, there wouldn't be another Republican voted to the lege for generation. Vayan a votar, arrastrados!

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
73. I just love Republican branding of laws
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:08 PM
Mar 2015

"Religious Freedom Act', "Clean Air Act", "Right to Work", "Clean Water", etc. You can damn well bet that if they name it, they will be attacking whatever is in the title.

Bravo to Salesforce and Mr. Benioff.

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