'I Abhor Discrimination': Gov. Pence Pins Need for Indiana Religious Freedom Law on Obamacare

[brentspeak]

Source: NBC News

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence swung back again Monday at critics of the state's controversial "religious freedom" law, writing in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that Obamacare had made it imperative to ensure that "religious liberty is fully protected under Indiana law."

Noting that the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act — which President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1993 — didn't apply to states, Pence argued in an article being published Tuesday that Indiana was only doing what 19 other states have done. And he stressed that Indiana's identically named law has nothing to do with limiting the rights of same-sex couples.

"I abhor discrimination. I believe in the Golden Rule that you should 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you,'" Pence wrote. "If I saw a restaurant owner refuse to serve a gay couple, I wouldn't eat there anymore."

Pence said his support for the law was driven by the 2010 Affordable Care Act, which he said "renewed concerns about government infringement on deeply held religious beliefs."

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pence-pins-need-indiana-religious-freedom-law-obamacare-n332926

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Yes, he actually blamed the RFRA on Obamacare. You have to hand it to idiots like Pence; their creative stupidity is truly impressive.

[irisblue]

1. what a lying putz

suffer ya fool

[mpcamb]

22. Yes. What a worthless reach by such a piece of weasel defecation to pin it to

Obamacare.

The only part I like is that he's so clearly scrambling.
Trying to attach it to BENGHAZI will be next.
What a bottom-feeding piece of scum this guy is.

As my Scottish neighbor said 50-odd years ago, "LOWER THAN A SNAKE WITH A BELLY ACHE."
HEY, MIKE IT FITS! YOU LOWLIFE!

Enjoy your exit election, when you appeal to "core values."

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

39. Right, it only took a week to come up with that one. He's desparate!

[Old and In the Way]

2. So Mike, why did you sign this POS legislation into law?

The morons who develop this POSlegislation and voted for it are unknown....but you are the Governor and face of Political Indiana....you own it. You could have vetoed the law as stupid, but you signed it and you own it....moron.

[Skittles]

3. WTF IS WRONG WITH HIM

WHY DOESN'T HE JUST COME OUT AND SAY *WHY* THIS LAW IS NEEDED

HE IS A LYING ASSHOLE

[Scairp]

4. Geez

K, whether or not they meant for this to be the consequences, they are now. This law will be used by businesses to discriminate and to be shielded from lawsuits for discriminating on the basis of religion. I don't know why this governor can not get that through his thick skull.

[still_one]

5. because of the ACA he had "concerns about deeply held religious beliefs"? Really pence. Like

denying medical care to the poor or needy, yup that sure sounds like the "christian" thing to do

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

40. No, it has to do with business owners enforcing their reigious beliefs on their employees.

Fuck this guy!

[still_one]

42. I am just quoting what Pence said in the OP

"Pence said his support for the law was driven by the 2010 Affordable Care Act, which he said "renewed concerns about government infringement on deeply held religious beliefs."

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

45. No, Sorry, I responded to you, but I wasn't trying to contradict you

just saying, no matter what Putz says, the reality is they just want to force their religious beliefs on the rest of us. That is un-American and should be unconstitutional as well!

[still_one]

46. No need to say sorry. I agree with you

[Ed Suspicious]

6. Yeah, I bet these thugs would have pissed you right off imposing their will on the owners

of that lunch counter.

[Warpy]

7. He's flailing now

Any mention of "Obamacare" is just throwing out a buzz word to the really, really stupid and he knows it. It's not going to work on anyone else, especially not on anybody joining the backlash.

I love the smell of Republican flop sweat.

[Midnight Writer]

25. Pence started as a RW talk radio guy

He is a master of the "buzz word", gut-feeling politics of fear and resentment. But if he is challenged to go beyond a talking point memo, he is lost.

[Skittles]

33. yup: he's a master when talking to total fucking idiots

but to critical thinkers he sound utterly ridiculous

[Iliyah]

8. This man is blaming Obamacare?

GOPers are going deeper into insanity.

[AZ Mike]

9. "I abhor discrimination."

Isn't that the same quote verbatim that Rand Paul recited in 2009 or 2010 on Rachel Maddow's show when he was exposed for being opposed to the CRA?

"I abhor discrimination, BUT...."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Chipper Chat]

10. Pence - you are so full of bullshit. You are not fooling Hoosiers.

Everybody in Indiana knows exactly why this law was served up and signed by you. It was to put gays "in their place" because last year's ban on same sex marriage failed. End of story. Pence you are a lying sack of shit. Why don't you just admit the truth and get it over with.

[bbgrunt]

11. k and r for exposure.

[Chicago1980]

12. Projection much?

I thought republicans were about personal responsibility?

He can't own up to his own decision.

He doesn't abhor discrimination, he just encouraged it with the signing of this law.

He's just another free market fool who'll never be president and the decision to sign this bill will become his legacy so we have to plaster and tarnish him with it.

[Skittles]

34. welcome to DU, Chicago1980

I like the way you think

[Geronimoe]

13. Freedom of religion means....

that you don't get to force your religious beliefs on others. If you don't like gays, then don't be gay. If you are against abortions or birth control, don't have one or use them. But you don't get to force others to follow your beliefs. And an employer doesn't get to take away your rights as a US citizen, just because they underpay you.

We know discrimination when we see it. Job performance has nothing to do with sexual orientation or whether someone had a medical procedure, that is none of the employer's freakin' business. An employer doesn't get to tell me whether I or someone in my family can have a blood transfusion or not. They are not qualified to practice medicine.

The US Constitution and Bill of Rights if followed, prevent religious fundamentalists from forcing their beliefs on others.

And don't we all know that these scumbag Republicans have much more important issue to attend to, such as failing infrastructure and regulating business that are destroying a life sustaining environment. Isn't this a hypocrisy. They are pro-life but are destroying the planet. Crazy global warming deniers. And for what, so they can get chump change for their next re-election campaign.

[Ed Suspicious]

15. Good post. Neat little switcheroo they pulled on that logic. Welcome aboard.

[PatrynXX]

14. he digs in deep enough he might get the NCAA to pull the show

which they should do now because being associated with an idiotic hate mongering liar is bad biz

[BeyondGeography]

16. At least he didn't mention Benghazi

Give it time.

[jberryhill]

17. Thanks, Obama

[El Shaman]

18. Keep showing your ass,

Pency boy,there's plenty more of it.

[herding cats]

19. Is this his hail Mary pass?

If so, he fell short and lost the big game. Idiot. The corporations opposing this aren't a bunch of drooling troglodytes. His actions still have real consequences that exceed their evangelical base.

[NBachers]

20. Tonight will be another sleepless night for frantic & desperate Governor Mike Pence- a cornered rat

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Keep digging, Gov. Dence. With luck, that growing pile

of bullshit will collapse and bury you in the next election cycle.

[SoapBox]

23. WTF?

ALEC and the Haters are digging deep, grasping at straws to justify their hate.

INtolerance.

[Protalker]

26. ALEC of course. They are a slithery bunch

I have been so focused on The cabal dragging us to bomb Iran I forgot their lock step stealing all the state houses. Too bad posters don't vote in mid terms.

[zonkers]

24. I don't know where this is going but this is awesome.

[riderinthestorm]

43. Best comment on this thread lol

[cstanleytech]

27. Amazing how its all Obamacares fault only "after" this backfires in his face. nt

[Zambero]

28. Non sequitur, anyone?

Talk about using a non-existent premise to reach a false conclusion!

[aquart]

29. Obamacare is responsible for gay weddings?

Stretchy, Pence. Very stretchy.

[brett_jv]

30. Um ... not that it's not RIDICULOUS ... but y'all seem to missing the dog-whistle involved here

So ... lemme clue you in: HOBBY LOBBY.

That's what he's getting at here when he talks about the ACA and 'concerns about ... beliefs'.

To US (i.e. sane folk), of course, it's a total non-sequitur.

To the people that can 'hear' in the particular frequency upon which he speaks ... the Hobby Lobby tune is the one they're hearing.

Pence apparently thinks he can convince the (idiots of the) world that the 'need' for this legislation ACTUALLY stems from the need to make sure Hobby Lobby, et al, won't need to pay for insurance plans that provide birth control for their employees.

Never mind that, you know, there's already an exemption carved out for them to do so ... and that happened, what, a couple YEARS ago, now?

However he probably thinks he count on his 'base' (i.e. Faux Watchers) to not even KNOW that this already happened, so ...

As I say, it's an utterly ludicrous ploy, but it's really his only chance at this point ... confuse the issue and hope enough morons support him ... just because he's speaking their language.

Heck 'details' are for the elite librul intelleckjools anyway.

[riversedge]

31. Indy Star has big Editorial also today (opposing the law)...

Front page of Huff Post...



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/


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[captainarizona]

32. final four sponsors

The sponsors who spend big bucks to make their products liked by you on the final four really wouldn't like to hear from you saying that you will never by their products again if they don't cancel their final four commercials! We will need a lot ofe-mails letters phone calls are best. Sponsors want to be loved not hated! They don't want their commercials turned against them. Let cbs know as well the local channel affiliate and the local sponsors of the game. A good local ask the cbs local affiliate a list of local advertisers of the game so you can call them up and ask them to cancel their commercials.

[Lars39]

36. Excellent point! Welcome to DU, captainarizona.

[riderinthestorm]

44. Here's a list of NCAA sponsors

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2011-02-25/corporate-champions-and-partners

Welcome to DU!

[Cryptoad]

35. Obama Made me Do it!!!!

[Adrahil]

37. Dammit, I stepped in some Pence! n/t

[Vinca]

38. Imagine . . . this guy was the great GOP hope if Jebbie crashes and burns.

The key word here is "was."

[City Lights]

41. Nothing is ever their fault.

They scream "personal responsibility" for everyone else, while blaming all their mistakes and shitting decisions on others. They are cowards.

[gvstn]

47. Thanks for the recap, All I could hear the whole news conference was this:

[marble falls]

48. This what happens when these Teapublicans start believing the crap they talk and write about....

It isn't like the old day when Pat Buchanan was talking this crap but, never really meaning it. People like Gohmert and Pense are dangerous as a long as we go along with it by not at least voting against it.

[Thor_MN]

49. Religious Freedom is about BELIEVING what you want, not ACTING like an asshole.

If you don't believe in birth control, don't get it. Just don't try to force your beliefs on someone else.