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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:13 AM Jun 2015

US report claiming Saudi Arabia financed 9/11 attack 'redacted by Bush'

Source: Telegraph UK

An American senator has claimed that a secret official report blaming Saudi Arabia for financing the 9/11 attacks was redacted by George W Bush.

Bob Graham, former chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, said that the report shows Saudi Arabia was the "principle financier" of the attacks. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but previous investigations failed to find a link between the country and the terrorist attack, which killed 2,996 people.

Mr Graham told The Times that a 28-page chapter of the 2002 Senate report, entitled Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001, had been withheld to protect the country. Now retired, he is campaigning for its release.

The Times reported that the pages are thought to deal with Nawaf al-Hamzi and Khalid al-Mihdar, two Saudis who helped hijack the plane that was flown in to the Pentagon. They were said to have been in touch with a man who was in contact with the Saudi Arabian embassy in Washington. The embassy has, however, denied that he was a spy.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/11653706/US-report-claiming-Saudi-Arabia-financed-911-attack-redacted-by-Bush.html

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US report claiming Saudi Arabia financed 9/11 attack 'redacted by Bush' (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 OP
Jeb Bush's foreign policy advisor? That George Bush? tanyev Jun 2015 #1
I thought he "kept us safe?" KansDem Jun 2015 #17
In other words, Jeb's zentrum Jun 2015 #35
He was keeping Americans safe. The ones invested in Saudi Arabia. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #38
Inside Job billhicks76 Jun 2015 #55
An "inside the Bush* family" job. Raster Jun 2015 #95
You Got It billhicks76 Jun 2015 #96
Are you considering Cheney a member of the Bush family? eom tarheelsunc Jun 2015 #126
Probably not a "brother from another mother", like Clinton, delrem Jun 2015 #130
You are correct. dick "Beezelbub" cheney* should be part of this list. Raster Jun 2015 #132
It was only an inside job ... nikto Jun 2015 #101
. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #57
DUZY..NT Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #60
You should see the school's homemade video Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #61
Surreal indeed. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #98
That must be a system for teaching reading? treestar Jun 2015 #112
So the first attack happened before Bush arrived at the school Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #113
There's definitely something wrong with the story treestar Jun 2015 #114
The timing of the event itself I wonder about JonLP24 Jun 2015 #116
This always troubled me... KansDem Jun 2015 #127
Yeah, except for that one time. sofa king Jun 2015 #63
I can't stand looking at this man. The complete emptyness between his ears. YOHABLO Jun 2015 #74
Bush and Cheney should be jail Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #79
Hell, yes! Seeing those people in chi chi fashionable Bohunk68 Jun 2015 #108
our DOJ only investigates pro soccer wordpix Jun 2015 #120
Leaping into action when told FOR THE SECOND TIME. Raster Jun 2015 #83
And it seems like Saudi Arabia was George's foreign policy advisor. olddad56 Jun 2015 #50
Saudi Arabia provided the men and the money, the UAE did the banking, and Pakistani intel ..... Botany Jun 2015 #2
Simple: NWO's fascist agenda - the proclivities of the royal/corporate elites financed blm Jun 2015 #6
I believe you are correct. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #67
Well said Fairgo Jun 2015 #76
No shit! Raster Jun 2015 #84
Abso-fuckin-lutely!!! hifiguy Jun 2015 #87
+1000 & I hypothesize Congress won't touch current ME wars b/c wordpix Jun 2015 #121
What is the source for a UAE banking connection? Also, Qatar provided a "Team B" to the Flt 77 leveymg Jun 2015 #8
You know me, m, imo the roots of 9-11 are found in BCCI report. blm Jun 2015 #30
And that's why Kerry could not be allowed to be president yardwork Jun 2015 #107
the corporate/Saudi elite can't be happy about Rand Paul for pres wordpix Jun 2015 #123
Makes one wonder what the did when the door was closed. olegramps Jun 2015 #10
Go where the money (oil) is! George II Jun 2015 #11
"but after 9/11 w & Cheney invaded Iraq. I wonder why?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #13
Also, because saddam was willing to ignore opec quotas Volaris Jun 2015 #75
And The fact that Saddam was talking about trading in Euros instead of our dollars. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #99
EXACTLY!!! TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #115
Can you imagine…. zentrum Jun 2015 #37
Somebody should do a photoshop and put Obama in Bush's place ... nikto Jun 2015 #102
Perfect! n/t zentrum Jun 2015 #110
Perfect!!! blm Jun 2015 #111
Yeah. Remember the "terrorist fist bump" absurdities from Faux News. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #106
Bush failed to act when he had been presented with the intelligence reports Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #85
There were several handlers connected to the Saudi Embassy. Anwar al-Awlaki in San Diego leveymg Jun 2015 #3
Thanks for the info... KansDem Jun 2015 #24
They lied. But, justified it to themselves with the fiction that it was all just "intel failure" leveymg Jun 2015 #56
Moussaoui named Prince Bandar + 2 other princes just last Feb wordpix Jun 2015 #124
Bob Graham has made it known for over a decade that we were being spoon fed bullshit. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #4
Dick and Georgey knew JackInGreen Jun 2015 #5
The report was NOT redacted to protect the country. It was redacted to protect Bush*, Cheney*... Raster Jun 2015 #7
C'est l'etat - The Saudi Royal Family is Saudi Arabia. leveymg Jun 2015 #9
Not only that, they had to redact it Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #72
The Iraq dice were cast long before the election was stolen. Raster Jun 2015 #78
Yes, long before the 2000 presidential election, PNAC intended to invade. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #88
9-11 was a predictable result of our foreign policy. cpwm17 Jun 2015 #131
And we have the 9/11 forum sequestered in the crazy CT portion of the site. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #12
It's an inconvenient subject for the Powers That Be and those that support them. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #65
I haven't ventured into the CT section much... Raster Jun 2015 #80
Rumors about this for a while get the red out Jun 2015 #14
This should be at the top of the broadcast on EVERY news network for months..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #15
Meanwhile in du we reexamine the c word Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #19
Meanwhile on Earth, we walk and chew gum at the same time. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #32
. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #34
Yes, right. The SUPER important matters in our daily lives. closeupready Jun 2015 #49
That's what happens when hifiguy Jun 2015 #90
Thank you, Bob Graham. mountain grammy Jun 2015 #16
Kicked, rec'd and tweeted. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #18
Thanks!..nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #20
That's great. Now how long before we get a report that says the U.S. valerief Jun 2015 #21
Boom! Phrasing! geardaddy Jun 2015 #53
When Bremer/Bush/Cheney fired the Iraqi Army, they invented ISIS. brush Jun 2015 #104
Yes, I know the story. Thanks. valerief Jun 2015 #118
So, when do we start bombing them? snort Jun 2015 #22
The skies over America were closed to air traffic after 9-11 except douggg Jun 2015 #23
That's a very good question. Gregorian Jun 2015 #33
You should post that excellent question as an OP. snagglepuss Jun 2015 #103
Could you post it please? douggg Jun 2015 #117
If you wish I could post but first let me snagglepuss Jun 2015 #119
Posted it douggg Jun 2015 #129
How many Presidents personally redact security reports? riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #25
And there you have it. lonestarnot Jun 2015 #26
kick samsingh Jun 2015 #27
My own theories and observations about the WTF aspect of 9-11 90-percent Jun 2015 #28
A plot this big and involved had to be started before they came into power. A Simple Game Jun 2015 #69
Agreed 100%. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #91
If we wait 30 years, before having a war crimes tribunal, then we're not a country of laws. Gregorian Jun 2015 #29
Kick. Thank you for posting. eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #31
oh???!!!! heaven05 Jun 2015 #36
K&R closeupready Jun 2015 #39
Don't forget the Trillons of dollars They_Live Jun 2015 #40
What if 9/11 was given a quarter of the attention we have given to Benghazi? raouldukelives Jun 2015 #41
Bush and Cheney would have been impeached, and many US officials indicted. We would have leveymg Jun 2015 #42
The whole to-do about "28 pages" is a smokescreen... nyabingi Jun 2015 #43
+1 I totally agree with your assessment n/t Jeroen Jun 2015 #47
someday, I hope in my livetime, the truth about 911 will come out. olddad56 Jun 2015 #48
Sure, just like the assassination of President Kennedy. juajen Jun 2015 #66
"JFK And the Unspeakable" hifiguy Jun 2015 #92
At this point I am ready to entertain any theories. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #68
quite worse is that they've had the Patriot Act ready to go before anyone could've had any MisterP Jun 2015 #82
bush* knew, and money flew. Deadbeat Republicans Jun 2015 #44
Nailed it Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #46
K&R me b zola Jun 2015 #45
So - is Bob Graham now going to be called a crazy CT freak? djean111 Jun 2015 #51
He'll be slathered with a smelly "Truther" label, and will need to avoid small planes. Raster Jun 2015 #81
Exactly. If he gets to close to revealing the truth . . . brush Jun 2015 #105
If those pages are ever leaked, will Obama STILL look forward not back with Bushies? yurbud Jun 2015 #52
I remember seeing on T.V. Bush and a Saudi prince asjr Jun 2015 #54
Maybe you missed them kissing... Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #58
Oh my, I did forget about that. Yuck! asjr Jun 2015 #62
ewww, I've never seen that one wordpix Jun 2015 #122
OH NO, NO, NO, NO, NO: IT WAS NOT A PRINCE, IT WAS SAUDI KING ABDULLAH Raster Jun 2015 #93
One more reason why I don't want our next President to be a buddy of the Saudi royalty Dems to Win Jun 2015 #59
Obama told us long that he won't look back chapdrum Jun 2015 #64
Does it mean the king was behind it? complendio Jun 2015 #70
Likely all of the above. hifiguy Jun 2015 #94
Mantra Beowulf42 Jun 2015 #71
I'd rather use that item that the French used during their Revolution. Bohunk68 Jun 2015 #109
War crimes & crimes while serving as president against this country's better interests, and still no mother earth Jun 2015 #73
I'm shocked the Admins haven't moved this to the CT bin. Regardless of truth nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #77
So Bandar Bush covered for daddy's hifiguy Jun 2015 #86
Kudos to Senator Graham for continuing to try to bring this to the Nation's attention. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2015 #89
Damn asshole redactin' Bush!! Owl Jun 2015 #97
the "look forward" deal but given the latest info + we're selling billion$ in war machinery to SA wordpix Jun 2015 #125
I hate all this crap about Oil. Bush and the military industrial complex StarzGuy Jun 2015 #100
Of course one of the first order of business would be provide for the safe exot of the bin Laden Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #128

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
17. I thought he "kept us safe?"
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jun 2015

And now we learn friends and business partners of the Bush Family backed the 9/11 attacks? Really?

But W kept us safe!

See? Here he is leaping into action when told the US was under attack--



Can we arrest them all now?

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
38. He was keeping Americans safe. The ones invested in Saudi Arabia.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

The only ones he, or they, truly care about.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
95. An "inside the Bush* family" job.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jun 2015

Plus family friends: rice*, rumsfeld*, perle*, wolfowitz*, feith*, luti*, hadley*, abrams*, libby*, hannah*, wurmser*, bartlett*, natsios*, daniels*, tenet* and last, but by no means least, colin powell*.

http://thinkprogress.org/report/the-architects-where-are-they-now/

---------
* War Criminal.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
96. You Got It
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jun 2015

Don't be deterred by arrogant coincudence theorists trying to forcefeed you their distorted viewpoints. They are either too afraid or intellectually lazy to have to reorganize their entire belief systems predicated on status quo lies.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
132. You are correct. dick "Beezelbub" cheney* should be part of this list.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jun 2015

I tend to see the evil one as his own separate classification, more spawn of satan than human.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
61. You should see the school's homemade video
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

It's truly a surreal scene. Andy Card had just whispered something into Bush's ear for maybe 2 seconds (5:03-5:05), then backed off and didn't wait for a reply. Then the kids started reading in unison from a book called The Pet Goat (not My Pet Goat) while Bush had that look on his face.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. That must be a system for teaching reading?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jun 2015

Kind of odd.

Bush wasn't too bad with those kids. He's no Obama, but he was friendly.

They may as well not have bothered to tell him anything until that was over. If they didn't need him to get up right away to do something, which would have been the case.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
113. So the first attack happened before Bush arrived at the school
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

(he later said he saw it occur "live" on a TV in the school hallway that was "obviously on", and remarked that "that was one lousy pilot&quot . However, the first attack was not aired "live" on TV, certainly not the part where the plane or whatever hit the building since there was only one known video of that, taken by accident by a French film crew and not released until quite a while later.

So Bush walks into the room, even though he's just seen a plane crash into a building "live" on TV, but he doesn't seem too curious about it; rather, he gets engrossed in a 2nd grade reading lesson. Just a few minutes into the lesson, Chief of Staff Andy Card comes up to him, whispers something into his ear for a couple of seconds at the most, then steps back and doesn't wait for a reply. What did Card say? According to Bush, it was "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

So, accepting for the sake of argument that that is what Card actually said (never mind trying to say all that in less than 2 seconds), neither Bush nor Card show any sense of urgency. "America's under attack", and the man who is pretending to be President of the United States just sits there, because, you now, the 2nd grade reading lesson is just so much more interesting.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
114. There's definitely something wrong with the story
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

Card could not have said all that in the time shown. Maybe he remembers is that way. He may as well have waited for the end of the lesson for all the good it did.

At the time of the first attack, the media and everyone were thinking it was an accident. The comment about the lousy pilot takes the event too lightly though, even as an accident. All he could have seen was the coverage obviously, not the event.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
116. The timing of the event itself I wonder about
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

Because right when the attacks happen he is caught reading to children in an elementary school. I understand completely Presidents don't have time or more pressed for other things but generally aren't going to show up at random schools to read to children but it is like a publicity stunt or an incredibly random coincidence.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
127. This always troubled me...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jun 2015
Andy Card had just whispered something into Bush's ear for maybe 2 seconds (5:03-5:05), then backed off and didn't wait for a reply.

There was no communication between Bush and Card. But yet, we're told that Bush wanted to "wait for more information"; that he "didn't want to scare the children." How do we know this? There was no communication between the president and his chief-of-staff.

Similar concerns were voiced 11 years ago:
DU thread from 2004

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
63. Yeah, except for that one time.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

And that other time.

And then the time they didn't guard all those 105 mm artillery shells in Iraq... which led to those 250,000 other times....

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
74. I can't stand looking at this man. The complete emptyness between his ears.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

I'd love to see him in jail.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
108. Hell, yes! Seeing those people in chi chi fashionable
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jun 2015

orange jumpsuits and chains would be worth a month of Viagra.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
120. our DOJ only investigates pro soccer
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jun 2015

so forget about this issue, it's not important enough to get into

Botany

(70,518 posts)
2. Saudi Arabia provided the men and the money, the UAE did the banking, and Pakistani intel .....
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jun 2015

..... helped out too but after 9/11 w & Cheney invaded Iraq. I wonder why?


blm

(113,065 posts)
6. Simple: NWO's fascist agenda - the proclivities of the royal/corporate elites financed
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jun 2015

by the blood and treasure of the rest of us.

There IS a NWO - The Fascist agenda of the Bushes and their cronies in service to royal and corporate empires.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
121. +1000 & I hypothesize Congress won't touch current ME wars b/c
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jun 2015

they KNOW if they debate and vote in favor of continuing our role in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and wherever else, the public will demand that they send THEIR kids to war. That is something they won't do.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. What is the source for a UAE banking connection? Also, Qatar provided a "Team B" to the Flt 77
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

hijack operation about which I wrote at DU and here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/545 and (slightly longer version with interesting comments chain) here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/02/940661/-Wikileaks-reveals-9-11-Team-B-hijack-team-got-away

blm

(113,065 posts)
30. You know me, m, imo the roots of 9-11 are found in BCCI report.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jun 2015

It's foolish to think anything is just 'coincidence' when Bushes are involved.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
123. the corporate/Saudi elite can't be happy about Rand Paul for pres
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jun 2015

snip: Rand Paul, the Libertarian Republican senator from Kentucky, is demanding that Mr Obama declassify 28 pages that were redacted from a 2002 US Senate report into the 9/11 attacks.

Interesting that Paul is out ahead of our Dem leaders in demanding declassification.

Verry interesting stuff at the end of the article: snip

In a plea to a New York court released last February, Moussaoui said that senior members of the Saudi royal family were major al-Qaeda donors and were intimately involved with Osama bin Laden's terror network in the 1990s.

He named Prince Turki al-Faisal, then the Saudi intelligence chief; Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the longtime Saudi ambassador to the United States and Prince al-Waleed bin Talal, a prominent billionaire investor.

However the Saudi Embassy dismissed Moussaoui – who was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic - as "a deranged criminal" trying to "get attention for himself and try to do what he could not do through acts of terrorism – to undermine Saudi-US relations". end

Moussaoui could be telling the truth in a plea deal.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Go where the money (oil) is!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jun 2015

Cheney was responsible for the destruction of the infra-structure of Iraq and then his company won no-bid contracts to rebuild it worth BILLIONS!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
13. "but after 9/11 w & Cheney invaded Iraq. I wonder why?"
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jun 2015

Because Iraq was a rival to Saudi Arabia.

Now their main rival is Iran.

That's who they want us to attack next.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
75. Also, because saddam was willing to ignore opec quotas
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jun 2015

And just dump a whole lot of iraqi liquid gold on the market. This would have tanked the world price per barrel, and a lot of American oil barons would have lost their shirtsleaves...
can't have that, nosiree..
it was never about STEALING the oil. It was about making sure it stayed in the ground so prices stayed high.
it wasn't about making sure the American people had access to an affordable needed resource. It was about fucking us over at the pump so Dick and his friends could feel better about themselves. And then we let them legalize torture and mass survailence and all the rest of it


TO SUPPORT THEIR INSECURITIES THAT THEY WERNT WORTH ANYTHING MORE THAN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS.
At least now, we know their self-judgement was spot on.
theyre completely Worthless.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
115. EXACTLY!!!
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jun 2015

Protecting the dollar as the universal reserve currency is incredibly important to the powers that be. If the dollar wasn't the reserve currency, its value would drop dramatically, causing inflation in the US and creating havoc in those "too big to fail" financial institutions. Imports would cost more BUT exports would cost less. So the drop in the dollar's value could actually improve the US trade imbalance and be a boon for US manufacturing.

So, heaven forbid a GOP candidate is elected in 2016, you can pretty much count on a war with Iran, because it is selling its oil for GOLD. They may say its because of its nuclear program, but its really because it threatens the dollar's artificial value.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
37. Can you imagine….
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

…..if the picture was of Obama holding a Sheik's hand?

The mind cannot conceive the RW reaction.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
102. Somebody should do a photoshop and put Obama in Bush's place ...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:37 AM
Jun 2015

Then circulate it in RW media,
for a great laugh.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
85. Bush failed to act when he had been presented with the intelligence reports
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jun 2015

The chief military personnel should have been fired for their incompetence on 9/11. Rumsfeld should have been imprisoned however it is not over yet.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. There were several handlers connected to the Saudi Embassy. Anwar al-Awlaki in San Diego
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jun 2015

who housed the Flt. 77 hijackers upon their arrival in 2000 and later reconnected with them in Northern, VA; a Saudi Air Ministry official working under non-official cover with Dallah Avco in Los Angeles; and Anoud and Abdulazziz al-Hijji in Sarasota, Florida who met in his home with Mohamed Atta and at least one other 9/11 hijacker during the summer of 2001.

Al-Awlaki, who had contacts with the US military was arrested after 9/11 but set loose. He went on to be the spider at the center of a web that included several subsequent terrorist attacks inside the U.S., including the Shoe Bomber, the Times Square Bomber, the Ft. Hood shooter, the Underwear Bomber, and the Boston Bombers. The Sarasota couple suddenly fled to London and on to Saudi Arabia a week before 9/11, leaving behind a fully furnished house and several cars.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
24. Thanks for the info...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jun 2015

I always wondered how the 9/11 attacks were a "complete surprise" considering the amount of spying conducted by the US. Especially now that we know just how much data collection, i.e. emails and phone calls, the spy agencies collect.

They lied--

--and should rot in prison.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
56. They lied. But, justified it to themselves with the fiction that it was all just "intel failure"
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

rather than the consequence of a decades old covert policy of joint US-Saudi/GCC covert operations against Russia that was too big -- and too dangerous -- to fail.

Al Qaeda, like ISIS that morphed from it, is Saudi paramilitary.

Dig a few layers deeper into the onion, and one comes across the fact that Saudi Arabia is very much a tribe engaged in aggressive war with its neighbors and at war with itself through multiple succession struggles. The US has bought into those wars, and many times has compromised its own interests to back the wrong faction. From 9/11 to ISIS, time and again we find ourselves being attacked by our "allies" who quite literally are colonizing us through their purchase of arms, corporations and the mass sell-out of venal politicians, such as the Bush family.

What we were told about 9/11 is a public lie that protects self-deception masking corruption on a huge international scale.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
124. Moussaoui named Prince Bandar + 2 other princes just last Feb
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

In a plea to a New York court released last February, Moussaoui said that senior members of the Saudi royal family were major al-Qaeda donors and were intimately involved with Osama bin Laden's terror network in the 1990s.

He named Prince Turki al-Faisal, then the Saudi intelligence chief; Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the longtime Saudi ambassador to the United States and Prince al-Waleed bin Talal, a prominent billionaire investor.

However the Saudi Embassy dismissed Moussaoui – who was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic - as "a deranged criminal" trying to "get attention for himself and try to do what he could not do through acts of terrorism – to undermine Saudi-US relations".

Raster

(20,998 posts)
7. The report was NOT redacted to protect the country. It was redacted to protect Bush*, Cheney*...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jun 2015

... and Bush* family "relationship" with the Saudi royal family.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. C'est l'etat - The Saudi Royal Family is Saudi Arabia.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jun 2015

There are factions. The Bush family are merely strivers who want to be the same for America.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
72. Not only that, they had to redact it
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jun 2015

because they wanted to invade Iraq. Without the redaction, they had no excuse to attack Iraq.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
88. Yes, long before the 2000 presidential election, PNAC intended to invade.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

They used 9/11 as one of many excuses to invade Iraq. They linked Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
131. 9-11 was a predictable result of our foreign policy.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

Anyone paying attention at the time knew such an attack was a great possibility.

The PNAC folks knew that and that's how they liked it - no big conspiracy was necessary for 9-11.

Various pro-war interests (especially pro-
Israel interests of the PNAC folks, who are now promoting war with Iran) combined to make Iraq the most logical target. The inconvenient fact that it was totally unprovoked was irrelevant.

Yes, they couldn't blame Saudi Arabia since that would spoil their war - hence the cover-up.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
80. I haven't ventured into the CT section much...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jun 2015

... do they still have the roving "kill" teams ready to hinder discussion?

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
14. Rumors about this for a while
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

The rumors about this have floated around for quite some time now. Of course, this is a British news source, I can't imagine it getting the attention it should in this country.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. This should be at the top of the broadcast on EVERY news network for months.....
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

Oh wait, it's not a sex scandal.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
90. That's what happens when
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:22 PM
Jun 2015

Certain people are allowed to run around loose. The wrong person got PPRd.

mountain grammy

(26,625 posts)
16. Thank you, Bob Graham.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jun 2015
As 28Pages.org was first to report last week, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul has introduced a Senate bill urging the president to declassify 28 pages on foreign government ties to the 9/11 hijackers. He will be joined in leading this effort by Oregon Senator Ron Wyden.

Senate Bill 1471 was introduced at a Capitol Hill press conference where Senator Paul was joined by Congressmen Walter Jones, Stephen Lynch and Thomas Massie as well as former Senator Bob Graham and several 9/11 family members, including Terry Strada, national chair of 9/11 Families and Survivors United for Justice Against Terrorism.


http://28pages.org/2015/06/01/watch-live-press-conference-introducing-senate-28-pages-resolution-on-tuesday-june-2/

and, as I'm choking out the words, thank you Rand Paul.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
21. That's great. Now how long before we get a report that says the U.S.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jun 2015

invented ISIS by someone who's an Archer fan?

brush

(53,791 posts)
104. When Bremer/Bush/Cheney fired the Iraqi Army, they invented ISIS.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:07 AM
Jun 2015

Those fired generals and colonels are the leaders of ISIS.

douggg

(239 posts)
23. The skies over America were closed to air traffic after 9-11 except
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jun 2015

for Bush's Saudi friends and bin Laden's relatives.

How did Bush know that they needed safe passage out of America?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
33. That's a very good question.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jun 2015

Do we already know that answer? I haven't thought about that before.

How did they know?

Anyone?

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
103. You should post that excellent question as an OP.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:34 AM
Jun 2015

I've never seen that question raised. I'd love to know if anyone has ever heard it asked to Bush.



Welcome to DU

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
119. If you wish I could post but first let me
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jun 2015

explain how to post a new thread. It's really no different than replying to a comment and knowing how to do it comes in handy when you would like to start a discussion

First click on "General Discussion" which is on the left hand of the screen.

Then click on the "Start a Discussion" blue button


After that its just like making a comment.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
25. How many Presidents personally redact security reports?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:00 AM
Jun 2015

I'm guessing this is a rather singular event that's fairly indicative of the power structure of the secret state.

LIHOP.



90-percent

(6,829 posts)
28. My own theories and observations about the WTF aspect of 9-11
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6771543

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6771578

My conclusion is that the criminals of the GWB White House were TOO STUPID to pull off a 9-11 as a conspiracy but they LIHOP'ED it because they did not have the brainpower to comprehend the scale of the 9-11 attacks.

"Gee wizz, Bandar, I thought all you guys were going to do is shoot up a shopping mall. Flying planes into buildings? Really? Don't you think that just may be a wee bit over the top, my dear friend?" - hypothetical imaginary post 9-11 conversation between Bandar Bush And GW Bush.


-90% Jimmy

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
69. A plot this big and involved had to be started before they came into power.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jun 2015

That said, they may have still been in on the initial planning.

As to being too stupid? No they weren't too stupid and Bush was a very successful president for the people he represented. He just didn't represent the 99%.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
29. If we wait 30 years, before having a war crimes tribunal, then we're not a country of laws.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

Eventually there is going to be one. You don't invade and murder what some say was a million people, without consequences.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
41. What if 9/11 was given a quarter of the attention we have given to Benghazi?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jun 2015

I still think those lives lost on that horrible day matter and I still think no honest justice has been done in their name.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
42. Bush and Cheney would have been impeached, and many US officials indicted. We would have
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jun 2015

also given KSA an ultimatum to hand over everyone involved, or we would come in with the Marines to get them ourselves.

History would be different. America and the world would be a better place.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
43. The whole to-do about "28 pages" is a smokescreen...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jun 2015

...which, if accepted as meaningful, only serves to reinforce the utterly false story that 19 hijackers (and bin Laden, al-Qa'ida) were the people responsible for carrying out the attacks that fundamentally changed America into a full-blown fascist state. Of course wealthy Saudis were involved, as were other wealthy people from other countries, all who stood to benefit in one way or another from the attacks.

Let's see Bob Graham look into why several of these alleged Saudi-financed hijackers were reported in foreign media to still be alive (one of these sources was the BBC, who actually questioned the man and he told them he was shocked to discover that he was dead), how all of their passports were supposedly recovered, intact and undamaged, from the ashes of the WTC Towers and Pentagon, and lastly, why there is no evidence of any crashed plane at the site of the Pentagon on that day (official story was that it "vaporized" upon impact lol).

I know Democratic Underground doesn't take too kindly to people extrapolating beyond certain intellectual bounds of discourse, but letting 9/11 slide by and simply accepting a blatantly false accounting of what happened has completely changed this country for the worse, and I predict, it marked the beginning of the end of what was once the greatest country in modern times. When and if our descent into global irrelevance happens, I'll be there to say "I told you so".

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
48. someday, I hope in my livetime, the truth about 911 will come out.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jun 2015

The truth that should be obvious just by looking at the way the buildings fell.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
92. "JFK And the Unspeakable"
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jun 2015

solves that mystery very nicely and is impeccably documented. Worth reading.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
68. At this point I am ready to entertain any theories.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jun 2015

Too much "funny business" has happened since the stolen presidential election of 2,000.

The funny business appears to be continuing.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
82. quite worse is that they've had the Patriot Act ready to go before anyone could've had any
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jun 2015

hint, MIHOP or LIHOP *doesn't even matter*: it could've been a dam burst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Garden_Plot

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
51. So - is Bob Graham now going to be called a crazy CT freak?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jun 2015

I'll tell you who I consider to be crazy - people who believe everything a demonstrably corrupt government tells them.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
54. I remember seeing on T.V. Bush and a Saudi prince
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jun 2015

walking together holding hands--I think it was Prince Bandar.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
64. Obama told us long that he won't look back
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

We can probably count on that. On top of which: The One Percent (Bandar, Bin Laden, Bush) take care of their own.
If it's ever released, maybe there's an explanation of how WTC 7 came down hours later, after not being struck by a plane.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
94. Likely all of the above.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

And no one who is anyone in SA isn't linked at the hip to the royal turds.

Beowulf42

(204 posts)
71. Mantra
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jun 2015

Traitors, traitors, traitors. How can Bush call himself an American patriot when his basic impulse was to protect the f^&king Saudis? I would like to say I'm surprised, but I am not. To these imbeciles, money speaks louder than words. They are living personifications of obscenities. Hang every one of them. I have a special tree in my yard we can use.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
109. I'd rather use that item that the French used during their Revolution.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jun 2015

That way, we can get some Pay-per-View money and some knitting done.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
73. War crimes & crimes while serving as president against this country's better interests, and still no
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jun 2015

accountability or consequences for it. When is treason, not treason?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
86. So Bandar Bush covered for daddy's
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jun 2015

business partners and the guy whose ring he kissed. Everybody who is surprised by this stand on your head. What an evil little POS he always has been.

Owl

(3,642 posts)
97. Damn asshole redactin' Bush!!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jun 2015

All should be public knowledge! Why won't our administration bring this to light?


wordpix

(18,652 posts)
125. the "look forward" deal but given the latest info + we're selling billion$ in war machinery to SA
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jun 2015

hopefully O will do something about it. However, I've been very disappointed about so many things this admin has or has not done.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
100. I hate all this crap about Oil. Bush and the military industrial complex
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:50 AM
Jun 2015

Maybe the whole 9/11 attack was really just a conspiracy to keep oil prices high and flowing all the while selling all sorts of military hardware to whom ever in the middle east. If it turns out to be true that Bush covered up the Saudi play on 9/11 he then in my eyes he is a traitor. Add Darth Vader (Cheney) to that list of traitors. They then should be arrested, tried as traitors and be given the maximum sentence allowed.

Release the damn documents so we can see the truth. We can handle it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
128. Of course one of the first order of business would be provide for the safe exot of the bin Laden
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

Family members from US soil before allowing the commercial airlines to resume their flights.

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