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TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:00 PM Sep 2015

Muslim group doesn't fault school or police for boy's arrest

Source: AP

IRVING, Texas — One of the largest Muslim groups in Texas said Thursday that it does not fault police and school officials who handcuffed and suspended a 14-year-old Muslim boy after he brought a homemade clock to class that they mistook for a possible bomb.

Instead, Khalid Hamideh of the Islamic Association of North Texas blamed political leaders for espousing inflammatory anti-Muslim rhetoric and creating a "climate of fear."

"We're not pointing a finger at the school district or the police department," Hamideh said. "Under the current climate that exists in this country, you can't really blame them because when they see something like that, they have to react."

The association operates the mosque attended by the family of Ahmed Mohamed, the suburban Dallas student who became a sensation on social media after word spread about his clock and the way he was treated.

Read more: http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2015/09/muslim_group_doesnt_fault_scho.html#incart_river

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Muslim group doesn't fault school or police for boy's arrest (Original Post) TexasTowelie Sep 2015 OP
Thank goodness somebody has some sense HassleCat Sep 2015 #1
Why is it that the people discriminated against have to basically apologize. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #45
He's not apologizing HassleCat Sep 2015 #46
Political leaders may be exploiting the "climate of fear" that already exists in our communities. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #2
School district and police were just vehicles of lunatic bigotry, in other words alcibiades_mystery Sep 2015 #3
"when they see something like that" < A clock? Wow, they have your mind in tow, don't they? jtuck004 Sep 2015 #4
I did build things that went "boom" Warpy Sep 2015 #5
It's kind of early in the semester TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #6
I bought the stuff to make gunpowder, mixed it, and blew a large hole in the grounds of the church jtuck004 Sep 2015 #11
A teenage Thomas Edison accidentally blew up a whole (empty) railroad car. pnwmom Sep 2015 #20
Maybe it wasn't an assignment, but that teacher pnwmom Sep 2015 #13
It's possible. TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #24
Good post. 840high Sep 2015 #27
You'd think that the power cord would be a clue. -none Sep 2015 #38
Yes, but it isn't necessarily a deal breaker. TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #39
Yes, they have to react. But the problem is HOW they reacted rocktivity Sep 2015 #7
In some ways I think its similar to a student who had a poptart shaped like a gun, and got suspended Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #10
The Islamic Association of North Texas took a huge step toward reconciliation with NCjack Sep 2015 #8
I don't fault the police so much as I do the school. RandySF Sep 2015 #9
It probably is related to the zero tolerance policies that are in place. TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #14
Texas needs to rethink this nutty zero tolerance policy. pnwmom Sep 2015 #16
I agree that zero tolerance policies can go too far. TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #19
Whenever schools have policies like that it seems like plain laziness on the part of pnwmom Sep 2015 #21
Yet there are parents and the PTA TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #25
Which is a reason all parents should get involved. I think reasonable parents pnwmom Sep 2015 #33
Zero tolerance for being smart? RandySF Sep 2015 #40
Zero tolerance for bringing anything that could be confused as being a weapon TexasTowelie Sep 2015 #41
Good for the Islamic Association of North Texas. Old Crow Sep 2015 #12
The engineering teacher saw it FIRST, and he or she no doubt assured pnwmom Sep 2015 #17
I've covered all of this ground... Old Crow Sep 2015 #22
I don't understand the point of your posting that. It supports what I am saying. pnwmom Sep 2015 #23
Unfortunately, I don't understand what your title is saying... Old Crow Sep 2015 #26
By "that" I meant his clock. pnwmom Sep 2015 #29
Yay! Old Crow Sep 2015 #31
When reasonable people have thoughtful discussions, they often conclude this way. pnwmom Sep 2015 #32
And thank you for doing yours. Old Crow Sep 2015 #34
It's like anything else in life The2ndWheel Sep 2015 #28
But what the school could have done was immediately take him off suspension pnwmom Sep 2015 #30
Absolutely The2ndWheel Sep 2015 #35
I completely agree with your observations on hindsight. Old Crow Sep 2015 #36
Yes, if they really thought it might be a bomb treestar Sep 2015 #43
No, they didn't have to react the way they did to something they knew wasn't a bomb. pnwmom Sep 2015 #15
based on what people have posted about political officials in that area i see their point JI7 Sep 2015 #18
Hmm. davidthegnome Sep 2015 #37
Respectability politics or the politics of respectability refers to attempts by marginalized groups jtuck004 Sep 2015 #42
A point that needed to be made, but, no, they didn't need to react like that at all. Joe Chi Minh Sep 2015 #44
The school and the police are mainly to blame; they're adults, and meant to be responsible ones too muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #47
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Thank goodness somebody has some sense
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:07 PM
Sep 2015

It's just beautiful irony that the school authorities and police lose their minds, while a leader of this religion we fear and mistrust is the calm, considered voice of sanity.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
45. Why is it that the people discriminated against have to basically apologize.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

Reminds me of someone getting SHOT IN THE FACE.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
46. He's not apologizing
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:18 PM
Sep 2015

He's laying the blame where he thinks it belongs. Personally, I disagree with him, since I feel the police should feel major shame over this incident, but he's pointing at leaders like Donald Trump and his band of merry men, people who create whole "movement" out of racism and xenophobia.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
2. Political leaders may be exploiting the "climate of fear" that already exists in our communities.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:07 PM
Sep 2015

It's here already.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. "when they see something like that" < A clock? Wow, they have your mind in tow, don't they?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:18 PM
Sep 2015

I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.

Harriet Tubman

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/harriettub388682.html#Mm0lmb540mi23TZR.99

That kid only did two things differently from millions of white american boys who bring their science shit to school, digital projects, wires hanging out all over, timers, the very same fucking things.I did it, and I bet a lot of folks here did it too. And never did they think our white asses were building a boom.

But he wasn't white, and he wasn't christian.

I would really like to see all the other projects in the classes. Did everyone else just bake cookies?

Fuck these "very passionate people" and the cowards that stand with them.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
5. I did build things that went "boom"
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:23 PM
Sep 2015

and I brought them in to chemistry class.

Oh, yeah, I'm white, slightly ambiguous last name, female, Catholic parents with money.

Nothing to see here, move along.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
6. It's kind of early in the semester
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:39 PM
Sep 2015

so the class may not have been assigned any projects yet. If that is the case then this incident would appear out of the ordinary. While I haven't taken any high school engineering courses, I suspect that they are primarily about textbook learning and labs that are similar to a college level physics course.

However, I am surprised by the large number of rockets that are being built in high school classes these days. We never built rockets when I was in high school physics back in the 80s, but my high school has sent teams to a national rocket competition over the past few years. I am surprised that those projects haven't received more attention other than those projects are done on a team basis.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. I bought the stuff to make gunpowder, mixed it, and blew a large hole in the grounds of the church
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:06 AM
Sep 2015

next door. Our tree shaded a good portion of an annex, so it was where the neighborhood played. I had better luck after that.
My rocket stuff never made it to school, but there was plenty of electronic stuff, and drugs. some kids still had guns in their cars - some farmers, some gangsters. We experimented, learned. Still do. But that was the 60'-70's, and Most of the schools were white, native peoples, and folks from Mexico, up until '71. Amazing what a white kid can get away with. And that has never changed, even though much else has, in some ways.

But there is no difference in humans. Still a young kid, experimenting and trying to find a place in life. Did what they told him to do, excelled at it. Was rewarded by them turning on his ass like a pack of rabid brown shirts.

He will get invited to the WH, to MIT, other places. I would find it comforting to think that he, and all the hundreds of millions of non-white skin non-christians will forget what we did to him because he wasn't white or christian enough. I bet our kids would sleep better knowing that too.

But I be he doesn't. And I bet many other folks in this country and around the world don't forget either.





pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. A teenage Thomas Edison accidentally blew up a whole (empty) railroad car.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:23 AM
Sep 2015

And he didn't go to jail and we all know what his experiments led to.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. Maybe it wasn't an assignment, but that teacher
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:16 AM
Sep 2015

must have recognized that it was a simple clock -- because none of the authorities called in the bomb squad and nobody evacuated the school. That's what they would have done if they thought there was any real possibility this was a bomb.

Instead, they took the thing away from him and put it somewhere in the school, while they sent him to juvenile detention -- where they were thinking about charging him with making a "hoax bomb."

So they knew it wasn't a bomb. My guess is someone decided it would be a good idea to make an example of this boy. And instead they made themselves look like idiots.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
24. It's possible.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:42 AM
Sep 2015

Yet I'm keeping in mind that we've only heard one side of the story thus far.

One possibility that nobody has mentioned thus far is that the school officials could be thinking that the student could be coordinating with another student to assemble the components for a weapon. If the school officials evacuated the school it could be have tipped off another person to react. Having an evacuation can create its own chaos and elevate the level of fear--it could also lead to violence if one of the other students that saw the device had mentioned it as a possible reason why the school was evacuated.

The engineering teacher recognized that it was not a bomb, but also had the good sense to advise the student not to show it to other teachers because he can rightfully guess that those other teachers do not have the technical knowledge to come to the same conclusion. Without knowing the thoughts behind those involved it seems reasonable to withhold judgment. From what I've read there are three teachers that complained so to suggest that everyone knew what the device was and that they knew it all of the time is not supported by the details that emerged.

-none

(1,884 posts)
38. You'd think that the power cord would be a clue.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:14 AM
Sep 2015

Plugging a nefarious digital clock or timer into an outlet to make it work is rather limiting one would think.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
39. Yes, but it isn't necessarily a deal breaker.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:39 AM
Sep 2015

The last few alarm clocks that I bought had both electrical cords and battery power, plus the clock could have been hidden where electrical outlet is available while still be able to cause potential harm. We are provided the luxury of noticing details and asking questions that may not have been available to the people at the scene--and apparently the alarm was going off while the clock was not plugged into a power supply.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
7. Yes, they have to react. But the problem is HOW they reacted
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:40 PM
Sep 2015

If they thought it was a bomb, they should have evacuated the school and and called the bomb squad. And since he never claimed it was a bomb --and truthfully -- he's not guilty of perpetrating a bomb hoax. So what crime did he commit, and why did they react the way they did? That is, isn't it the COPS who are guilty of perpetrating a bomb hoax?


rocktivity

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
10. In some ways I think its similar to a student who had a poptart shaped like a gun, and got suspended
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:05 AM
Sep 2015

Zero tolerance policies run amuck. In that case, nobody thought the pop tart was a gun, but they still suspended him.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
8. The Islamic Association of North Texas took a huge step toward reconciliation with
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:54 PM
Sep 2015

the school district and the police. Time for the school district and police to take the steps to eliminate the gap. Reset the clock (no pun) to restore the student to his place in the class and train police on how to handle minors.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
14. It probably is related to the zero tolerance policies that are in place.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:16 AM
Sep 2015

It is pretty much mandatory if the cops are called out to the school for any reason. I would not be surprised if he would be placed into an alternative learning classroom if he returns to MacArthur High School so that may be prompting the parents to enroll him elsewhere.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. Texas needs to rethink this nutty zero tolerance policy.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:19 AM
Sep 2015

Because it appears to mean they have zero tolerance for science.

Which may well be true, sadly.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
19. I agree that zero tolerance policies can go too far.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:22 AM
Sep 2015

I recall that a few years ago one of the young ladies at my high school was attacked by another girl who had a reputation for initiating fights. Unfortunately, both of the women were suspended and then put into the same alternative learning class together. The parents were distraught because their daughter had good grades and thought that the blemish on her record would affect her receiving a scholarship to college.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. Whenever schools have policies like that it seems like plain laziness on the part of
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:26 AM
Sep 2015

the administration. They don't want to be bothered with making ethical decisions and having to justify them, so they don't. They just blame everything on "zero tolerance."

So girls get suspended for bringing Tylenol to school -- or even sunscreen! I heard of one school that banned sunscreen under its zero tolerance policy. This kind of thing drives me nuts.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
25. Yet there are parents and the PTA
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:51 AM
Sep 2015

that keep coming to the school board meetings to demand those exact policies. I'm not saying it's right, but some of the parents want those policies and everybody else has to deal with them--whether they prove to be good or not. If they turn out to be mistakes then the voters can vote for new school board members.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
33. Which is a reason all parents should get involved. I think reasonable parents
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:15 AM
Sep 2015

outnumber the crazies by far, but not necessarily at school board meetings.

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
41. Zero tolerance for bringing anything that could be confused as being a weapon
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:17 AM
Sep 2015

even if it isn't one.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
12. Good for the Islamic Association of North Texas.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:15 AM
Sep 2015

They're right: It was reasonable of the police to ask some questions.

And that's where it ought to have ended. Everything beyond the asking of questions was mishandled, and I do think anti-Muslim racism played a big role in how things escalated.

I disagree with the Facebook post, which uses a false dichotomy to push the notion that the police never thought the device was cause for concern, always knew it was nothing but a harmless clock, and were only interested in "humiliating a small Muslim boy."

Below is a picture of the clock, which was not in any way connected with a school assignment and that was brought into school without permission. If I were a dad with a son or daughter who wanted to bring this into school, I'd probably respond, "You know what? People are really on edge about stuff like this these days. Let's get permission from your science teacher first, okay?"

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. The engineering teacher saw it FIRST, and he or she no doubt assured
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:21 AM
Sep 2015

the principal that it was just a clock.

Because otherwise the only prudent thing for the school and/or police to have done -- if there was any chance it was a bomb -- would be to call in the bomb squad and evacuate the school.

Instead, they kept the clock in the school and sent the boy to juvenile detention.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
22. I've covered all of this ground...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:31 AM
Sep 2015

... multiple times already in the post about the Facebook meme. If you're still interested in the topic, give a read of those and let me know if you have further questions or comments. I'm happy to discuss this with anyone who's willing to discuss it reasonably and not--as one poster has already done--accuse me of being an apologist for bigotry.

The original post in which I've discussed the subject is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027180415

Thanks.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
23. I don't understand the point of your posting that. It supports what I am saying.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:41 AM
Sep 2015

The school wasn't worried that it was a bomb, so they had no reason to arrest him and send him to juvie.

I think they were trying to make an example out of him, and I haven't seen any better explanation.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
26. Unfortunately, I don't understand what your title is saying...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:55 AM
Sep 2015

... because I don't know what your "that" is referring to.

Nonetheless, I'll do the best I can and address what's in the body of your post.

I agree: The school wasn't worried that it was a bomb. They were worried--in the words of the English teacher who first raised the alarm--that the device might be the "infrastructure for a bomb," which I take to mean they thought it looked like a detonator of some kind.

I agree: They had no reason to arrest him. That was ridiculous. I think they had legitimate reasons to question the boy, but it should've gone no further.

Lastly, I don't disagree: I think your theory that they were trying to make an example out of him might be right.

The only reason that I've entered this whole discussion is because I disagree with the Facebook meme, which uses a false dichotomy to lead people to the false conclusion that "No one at any time thought it was anything but a simple clock--every action undertaken in this story was solely the result of a desire to humiliate a Muslim boy."

Because everyone is outraged at how Ahmed Mohamed was treated--and rightfully so--they're recommending that post--and in a great example of groupthink, ignoring the logical fallacy.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
29. By "that" I meant his clock.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:08 AM
Sep 2015

We seem to be fairly close in our conclusions.

They had no reason to arrest him but they weren't necessarily doing it to humiliate him, as a Muslim.

However, from my point of view, his being Muslim might have contributed to their paranoia about the clock possibly being "infrastructure for a bomb." From that point of view, any circuit board could be an infrastructure for a bomb.

So if they want to be fair and avoid future incidents, they should inform all teachers and students that circuit boards from home may no longer be brought to school.

I hope they don't do this, but it would be more fair than what they did do.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
31. Yay!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:11 AM
Sep 2015

In a happy turn of this discussion, I can report I agree 100% with everything you've just stated.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
32. When reasonable people have thoughtful discussions, they often conclude this way.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:13 AM
Sep 2015

Thanks for doing your part.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
28. It's like anything else in life
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:08 AM
Sep 2015

If you agree with something, you can justify it. If you disagree with something, you'll find any way to not justify it. We all do it.

It has to be because he's a little Muslim boy. It's not that he brought in something that looked like that unannounced, didn't have it displayed, and it accidentally made a noise. It's that he's smart, or just simply made a clock, or because he's Muslim, or better yet, all three.

Nobody arrested him for making the clock at home. Nobody said anything when he brought it in to show his engineering teacher, because nobody knew. It became an issue in that one moment when nobody was expecting a noise coming from an unexpected place. Then it becomes a national story after the police stupidly put him in cuffs, and the school stupidly suspends him, after everything was figured out. It was an innocent mistake, and as you said, once that was figured out, there's no reason to put him in handcuffs or suspend him. That's over the top, and possibly has something to do with him being Muslim. Also, the zero tolerance atmosphere. However, bad shit has happened in schools before. Kids have wanted to use bombs in those bad shit situations. It's tough to think you can walk into school with something that looks like that clock, with nobody expecting it, because nobody knows what people are capable of doing anymore, if they ever did.

At this point, nobody can unsee the clock, or not know about the situation. Now, it's obviously just a clock, and anyone that can think can obviously see it. 20/20 and all that.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
30. But what the school could have done was immediately take him off suspension
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:10 AM
Sep 2015

once the police announced they were dropping charges.

And instead the school is stubbornly holding to it.

I'm glad he's getting out of there.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
36. I completely agree with your observations on hindsight.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:26 AM
Sep 2015

This whole story really lends itself to painting with broad brushes because what happened to Ahmed Mohamed was so outrageous--the arrest, the handcuffs--that you want to quickly condemn anyone who had anything to do with such stupidity. But I don't for one minute think that the police and the school always knew the clock was harmless and that all of their actions were simply designed to humiliate.

They didn't know what it was, it looked a little alarming, and they proceeded to completely mishandle the situation. And, yes, racism almost certainly played a big role in how reasonable questions led to an unreasonable outcome.

Thanks for your thoughts on all this. It's good perspective.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. Yes, if they really thought it might be a bomb
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:30 AM
Sep 2015

it makes no sense they did not call the bomb squad and evacuate the school. That's the weird part about it.

It seems like they arrested him for trying to scare people that he had a bomb when he didn't - that's what they thought he might have been doing.

The teacher who knew it was a clock was not alarmed about it and let him keep it. That teacher didn't realize other people might freak out.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
15. No, they didn't have to react the way they did to something they knew wasn't a bomb.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:17 AM
Sep 2015

If they had thought there was a possibility it was a bomb, they should have evacuated the school and called in the bomb squad to see what they were dealing with. The fact that they didn't tells us everything we need to know.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
37. Hmm.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:59 AM
Sep 2015

I applaud Hamideh for being so reasonable and wise - and absolutely correct.

If we look back to our history, there have been many times such a climate of fear has been created - and it has always resulted in ignorance and suffering. What really made it hit home for me the other day was when a little girl I know and love freaked out about seeing another child who was a Muslim (asking her mother if she should be afraid - and wondering if the little girl wanted to kill us). Maybe it's the media nonsense, maybe some friends of hers have repeated the words of their conservative parents at school. I don't know. This particular little girl though (the one that was scared) came here after being adopted from another Country - and went through the whole initial process of being thought of different, as talking funny, not being like everyone else. I would have expected her to have better sense than that - and I know she is being raised with it.

In some parts of the Country though, diversity is rare. There isn't, I don't think, enough exposure to other ideas, cultures, religions and philosophies - thus, when we encounter something outside of our normal routine, it may throw us for a bit of a loop.

Fortunately, the little girl's mother calmly explained that there was nothing to be afraid of, in a way that the child seemed to understand very well. I hope to see the two kids playing together some day.

Most of us go through our lives just trying to live decently. For those that promote fear and hatred deliberately though (the Tea Party, the Neocon movement, many so called "Christians&quot I have the deepest of contempt. There are people out there who would eagerly harm someone else for no reason at all, there are those who would so in the name of religion or philosophy, but they are quite a minority. To push the idea that muslims are somehow bad, or to be feared, to condemn someone for something as personal as religious faith, is both ignorant and cruel.

Brings to mind all these damned reporters going on about Trump and whether he thinks Obama is a Muslim. Clearly, he isn't one - but that's beside the point for me. What I keep wondering is why nobody speaks up and asks... "So what if he WAS a Muslim?" Would that make someone unqualified to lead somehow? Are Muslims the enemy? Are we preparing another damned Crusade?

As an agnostic, some times I am glad that I let go of my religious affiliations some time ago. I don't care what God someone believes in, what religion or philosophy they follow - I care whether or not they behave like decent human beings. This school - and these police officers, and others, did not. Remarkably, our "Muslim" President, and this actual Muslim here (Hamideh) behaved with both dignity and tolerance in a manner that I deeply respect.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
42. Respectability politics or the politics of respectability refers to attempts by marginalized groups
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:42 AM
Sep 2015

Respectability politics or the politics of respectability refers to attempts by marginalized groups to police their own members and show their social values as being continuous and compatible with mainstream values rather than challenging the mainstream for its failure to accept difference.
...

-wiki

In other words, the inference is that the person is broken. If they weren't they wouldn't have done what they did "wrong". The alleged serial rapist Bill Cosby is a big proponent of this.

So the Muslim association thinks the kid asks for too much, expecting to be treated like a white christian student? Because the only other thing he "did" was carry a clock. He had already shown it to a teacher, who knew and agreed it was just a clock, yet they did all this anyway.

Everything else was "done": by the "very passionate people" around him.

Want to know where hate starts?

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
44. A point that needed to be made, but, no, they didn't need to react like that at all.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:49 AM
Sep 2015

The kid hardly looks like a jester, so after confirming as much in a brief interview, the hoax notion should have been immediately dismissed by the police, as well as the incident, itself, as a routine check.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
47. The school and the police are mainly to blame; they're adults, and meant to be responsible ones too
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 02:59 PM
Sep 2015

They can't say "oohh, the big boys made me do it". The school is meant to educate, not pander. The police are meant to be measured, not hysterical. Neither are meant to be prejudiced.

They don't even have the excuse of "I was only obeying orders". "We were only exemplifying the crappy atmosphere of fear and suspicion" is no excuse at all.

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