Hillary Clinton ‘Putting the White House on Notice’ About Keystone Pipeline

[riversedge]

Source: abc



By Liz Kreutz

CONCORD, NH — Sep 17, 2015, 11:26 PM ET




PHOTO: Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks at a Women for Hillary grassroots organizing meeting, Sept. 10, 2015, in Columbus, Ohio.Jay LaPrete/AP Photo


Hillary Clinton is changing her tune on Keystone (sort-of).

The democratic presidential candidate on Thursday expressed frustration over the Obama administration's delay on making a decision on Keystone XL pipeline, and said that she is “putting the White House on notice” and will make her position known “soon” —- something she so far refused to do.

“I have been waiting for the administration to make a decision. I thought I owed them that,” Clinton said during a town hall at the Concord Boys and Girls Club, when asked by a female voter about the multi-billion dollar pipeline that runs from Canada to the Gulf Coast. "I can’t wait too much longer. I am putting the White House on notice. I am going to tell you what I think soon.”


Clinton, of course, did not give a direct answer -– and her position is still unknown. However, this is the farthest she has gone yet to suggest that she might bypass the President and take a stance.

(While campaigning in New Hampshire in July, Clinton told a voter, who asked for her position, this: "If it is undecided when I become president, I will answer your question.”)

Clinton has come under fire by environmentalists for not taking any stance at all on the Keystone pipeline, which she repeatedly has said she will not do as a candidate due to her past role as secretary of state. ................


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-putting-white-house-notice-keystone-pipeline/story?id=33847806

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I think she will oppose the pipeline. IMHO

[SheilaT]

1. Wow, and here I thought she wasn't going to give a hint

as to her position on this issue until she was elected President.

[madokie]

5. She won't ever be President

and its shit like this right here that will keep her out of the oval office.

[MissDeeds]

8. +1

She's evolving at break neck speed.

[tularetom]

23. I know, right?

Like she thinks Obama is just sitting there waiting for her to tell him how to decide.

She's getting scared she'll actually have to take a stand and she wants the president to take her off the hook.

[madokie]

24. We already know what her stand is

she pushed for it some 40 odd times so I'm pretty sure she is all for it. its this wishy washy bullshit that turns me off about her more than anything else.

[pangaia]

25. UNLESS, she suddenly evolves and decides..

"oopps, I better be against it now.

[madokie]

27. Hillary is not going to be President, simple as that

[7962]

33. Well, she's still in 1st nationally and beats ALL gop candidates,

so i still have to put her as favorite

[madokie]

35. Hey go for it

We're a long ways from voting yet.

[7962]

58. Thats for sure! nt

[roguevalley]

63. she's making him the bad guy. Because he hasn't led forward on a

decision, she can't follow like a sheep.

[jwirr]

54. Isn't she behind the times? Hasn't President Obama

already said no a long time ago?

[Darb]

34. Oh gawd, how ridiculous.

Why make a dumb statement like that. She most certainly could be President and very well might be. Sorry.

[madokie]

36. LOL

Hillary will never be President of these United States of America. There I said it again.

[Darb]

60. Well it's settled then.

You said something really stupid, twice.

[Quackers]

64. Says the person with 3 hides in the last 90 days.

[LiberalArkie]

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[Quackers]

67. Yep, and I'm the one who alerted.

In my opinion, it was a personal attack. At the very least, it's uncivil.

[LiberalArkie]

68. I find that in election season finding something civil is difficult.

[Quackers]

69. Lol

Very true.

[Scootaloo]

52. Well, nothing is impossible...

She could also reveal herself to be Andy Kaufman.

[tabasco]

47. You're right

Typical gutless triangulation.

[moonscape]

70. Sadly, I agree

Her instincts are terrible.

My nightmare vision of how this goes is Rubio v Clinton w/ Rubio taking it, because I think he could.

It keeps me up at night.

[thesquanderer]

11. I think she's realized she needs to give an answer...

...in time for the Oct 13 debate, or it's an issue she will get beat up on.

Her answer won't actually affect the issue, since it will almost certainly be decided before the next president takes office.

Therefore, I think she will simply choose the answer that she thinks will get her more votes.

So the question is, does she say No, to indicate that there are areas where she can be just as liberal as Sanders? Or does she say Yes, to further distance herself from Sanders' liberal views, as she runs as a moderate, using it as an example of where she thinks Sanders is too far left? Maybe it comes down to whether she thinks the votes of the most environmentally focussed voters are truly up for grabs, or if she is writing those off and conceding them to Sanders anyway.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

59. Why doesn't she just come out and say it?

I'll leave that to others to mull it over.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. huh?

She is putting them on notice that she might have to take a position? WTF?

Hey Clinton, are ya for it or agin it?

[Gore1FL]

3. "Np Pipeline" is the immediate, obvious, and only answer.

The excuse of waiting for someone else's immediate, obvious, and only answer is strange enough. "Putting them on notice" is even stranger.

[madokie]

4. Whatever she thinks will win her the most votes

you can bet your bippy that once shes in the whitehouse there will be a pipeline to texas

[treestar]

6. that's kind of funny, as right now, President Obama is in the WH

and still the POTUS, and doesn't have to heed the opinions of individuals not in his cabinet at the present time.

[Sunlei]

7. Corp. can not pass the EPA clean-air rules part of our Gov. permit requirements.

Our Admin placed in stricter clean-air requirements and all Permits are now scrutinized.

Unlike the gulf disaster weak & cut/paste permits that were allowed by past admins.

Mrs. Clinton should know this and discuss if she will strengthen the clean air laws even more then Obama did, or will she weaken the EPA laws so the Corp can get past the permit process easier?

[bigwillq]

9. The Great Evolver

[peacebird]

10. Of course she will say she opposes it publicly, & then reassure her donor$ that its just politicin'

[INdemo]

13. I second that

[INdemo]

12. What did she really say

Is she waiting for her corporate sponsor's script?

[ReactFlux]

14. excuse me, is this the Onion reporting?

naw, you couldn't even make this kinda shit up, am I right?

[PoliticAverse]

15. Translation: "Give me political cover already by making it a moot point." n/t

[peacebird]

16. Yep....

[bucolic_frolic]

22. Right

She can be against it for primaries purpose

while Obama approves it

Problem solved for primaries and general election!

[blackspade]

17. How about taking a stand now?

She is putting Obama 'on notice?'

[bahrbearian]

18. Can't say right now, the wind might change.

[Nihil]

19. "I am going to tell you what I think soon ..."

"... just as soon as my sponsors let me know.
I promise, as soon as I know what I think, you folks will too!"

[LiberalElite]

20. Oooh I can't wait for "soon".

but it still sounds a lot like "elect me and find out later."

[Android3.14]

21. So glad she stands by her "principles"

Talk about a desperation move. And now we get to wait with baited breath for her to make a nuanced statement that means diddly squat.
Whatever.

[tularetom]

26. If she's going to oppose the pipeline why doesn't she just say so?

She realizes she won't be able to finesse the issue all the way through to November 2016, and she's beginning to panic that she will have to make a decision that will piss off either (1) her wealthy contributors in the oil bidness or (2) voters.

I hope Obama leaves her dangling.

[pangaia]

28. "“putting the White House on notice” and will make her position known “soon”

Oh, I'll just bet Obama is shaking in his flip flops.

“I have been waiting for the administration to make a decision. I thought I owed them that,”

God this woman makes me sick.

Fortunately, if she does win the nomination, which ain't going to happen, I live in NY and won't have to throw up all over myself voting for her.

[Javaman]

29. this is why I call her campaign the "yeah, me too!" campaign.

Bernie first comes out against it, but he doesn't get her media coverage, so she can then go out and claim something as her own, when in fact all she is saying is, "yeah, me too!".

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

30. What a Bold and Assertive Statement! What Leadership! What Courage!

Do I really need the sarcasm thingy?

Truth be told this EXACTLY why I will not support her at all.

[pinebox]

31. LOL

How can anybody support a candidate who changes her tune more than the band in Animal House. Seriously people! One minute she's for it, the next she's against it. About as much integrity as a house built of cards.

[7962]

32. Then why doesnt she SAY she opposes it? Or not? TAKE A POSITION.

This has been the most ridiculous approval/denial process in our history. Its become a joke. Shit or get off the pot.

[closeupready]

49. Yes, your last sentence. This cowardly lion bullshit is unbecoming for someone

who wants to be elected the most powerful person on the planet.

[CrispyQ]

37. I don't understand. This is about what she would do as president, not what Obama will do.

Tell us if you support it or not! Quit with the games, already.


To the OP, I also think she will oppose it. Until she gets in office. Then it will be expedient to support it. She'll probably cite the 5 jobs it will provide, as argument for it.

[snooper2]

38. Wow she really does think she is that important LOL...

Wish our President never gave her that runners up award as SOS. Maybe he wanted to make the PUMAs happy?

[karynnj]

44. Not the PUMAs - the Clintons

Imagine if Obama would have chosen anyone from Holbrooke, to Kerry to a diplomat none of then (or now) know the name of. He had no intention of giving Hillary the HHS position which would lead the Obama effort on healthcare, an issue close to her heart. That was then reserved for close ally and early endorser, Daschle.

So, HRC would likely have returned to her role as a Junior Senator with 10 years of seniority - at a time when the Democratic committee heads mostly had over 20 years. There was an idea floated that the HELP committee in the Senate chaired by Kennedy could have the a healthcare subcommittee design the healthcare plan -- and that could be headed by HRC. In fact, all precedent is that a bill like that would be done in the full committee and Kennedy was in DC in summer 2008 - as ill as he was, doing the work needed to get this started as soon as Obama was sworn in.

After losing in 2008, HRC was a HUGE person in Democratic politics -- but her position in the Senate was far less. Had she not been married to the second biggest Democratic power, she might have returned the Senate anyway. It could even have been that she would have sought one of the leadership positions and worked to eventually be Majority leader. (Note that Kerry, after he was the nominee and nearly won the presidency, returned to the position he had in the Senate. He returned - as he left - to be the ranking member of the small business committee. In fact, Clinton allies went out of their way to argue that he was NOT a leader of the party.)

In Clinton's case, the combination of both Clintons, was too much to ignore. The offer of Secretary of State made it more likely that the interests of the Clintons were aligned to the interests of Obama -- and that they would then use all the strength they had to work for the administration. Not to mention, that HRC being as well known as she was could be sent to allies in what were closer to "Presidential" visits than visits of the US Secretary of State. It was win/win for both -- and overall might still be - even with the whole email scandal which in addition to being a drag on her campaign has been giving coverage to lots of long ago dirty laundry.

Compare that to the possibility of a Clinton primary challenge in 2012 - picking up steam after both Clintons blame Obama for the losses in 2010. Obviously, no one knows if that could have happened, but with many arguing that HRC was not treated well by Obama or the Senate -- it could have happened.

[ram2008]

39. Is this an onion article?

Guys she's warning you! She's really, quite possibly going to clarify a position of hers. Don't make her do such a horrible thing!

[karynnj]

40. This is beyond ridiculous given her comments on Syria

On Syria, she argues that Obama should have done more to arm the rebels and he went so far as to suggest - shades of Mccain - that not doing so led to ISIS.

Here, she is seriously saying that she can't take a position before the State Department? Why - exactly would that be? That she would be influencing them? As she started the process of looking assigned, she already had an impact. (However, this may be something she actually did affect, but unlike the China climate/Pact, Iran and Cuba - her people will not try to claim the lion's share of credit for .) What I thought in 2013, was that she set things up for the first SD study to be there near her departure -- and she wanted her successor to be the one who signed off on it. (It would then have little affect politically as she could then later have said her decision would either have been the same or opposite nearly 3 years later when the primaries happen.)

Not to mention, I really don't like her almost confrontational tone here. PS I doubt it will scare either Obama or Kerry.

[jalan48]

41. I think it's time all Democrats "evolved" past this type of candidate.

[azmom]

56. I think you are right.

[fbc]

42. Wow, just give your position. You don't have to be a jerk to Obama about it.

[karynnj]

45. Not sure if the Clinton target is Kerry or Obama here

The Secretary of State is supposed to advise the president.

[Depaysement]

43. I thought this was from the Onion

"I can’t wait too much longer. I am putting the White House on notice. I am going to tell you what I think soon.”

That line is worth a chuckle at least.

[closeupready]

48. She's so wimpy.

[TheBlackAdder]

50. It sounds like someone's inner circle group are positioning their stocks first! nt

[cascadiance]

51. Obama's probably waiting for an ISDS court case through a passed TPP to be used for Keystone...

... to have it get pushed through without him having to do it through executive order or as a budgetary pressure response to sign a bill to avoid paying a big fine issued by such a court for not allowing it through because of Transcanada's "lost profits".

Obama's holding out until this happens. Hillary wants this process to get pushed through faster so that she can have the same excuse to help her buddies get it passed, but not take responsibility for pushing to have it passed if she can help it (just like Obama's trying to do now). She'd rather have this happen now with a Republican congress passing such a bill and Obama signing it, rather than her being asked if she would sign it closer to the election if it isn't signed by then.

[TwilightGardener]

53. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahhhh...

That's funny.

[azmom]

55. Here is what McKibben has to say to Hillary.

You were terrible on Keystone. Even before the State Department began its review of the project, you said you were “inclined” to approve it. That’s been your last public word on the project, but your team performed an intellectually corrupt review of the plans, your campaign bundlers landed rich lobbying contracts, and your former advisers took jobs with Transcanada.

[Township75]

57. Are all the other candidates as considerate as her?

Her manners really set her apart from any other candidate that would be so inconsiderate as to take a stand before the president did.








This is sarcasm.

[frylock]

61. I could imagine the apoplectic posts here had Sen Sanders put the WH on notice.

Yet another example of Clinton's strong leadership.

[IDemo]

62. "Let me just say this about that"?

It's been said already.