Shoplifter who suffered skull fractures, brain damage wins $750,000 in lawsuit against store
Source: Omaha World Herald
By Todd Cooper
He was convicted of stealing two pairs of miniature scissors from Shopko.
But his punishment came long before his court case ended.
In November 2008, Richard Dave Moore suffered several skull fractures and a brain injury when he was thrown to the ground by a Shopko loss-prevention officer outside the retailers store at 90th and Fort Streets.
Friday afternoon, a jury of 12 Douglas County residents ordered Shopko to pay $750,000 to Moore in a civil lawsuit Moore brought alleging that Shopko employees used excessive force.
FULL story at link.
Richard Moore suffered skull fractures and a brain injury in an altercation with loss-prevention workers.
Read more: http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/shoplifter-who-suffered-skull-fractures-brain-damage-wins-in-lawsuit/article_a313f390-439d-5029-a556-300976e6623d.html
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)tort reform. And this clown wasn't stealing food for his children - he was just stealing. He's a thief. The perfect poster boy for the tort reform crowd.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)President Hammurabi never won election in this country.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Your reply sounds very right wing. Do you by chance support trump? Serious question cuz your reply sounds like him.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)salib
(2,116 posts)Law enforcement is not there to punish, and should not. Period.
This was excessive force whether he stole two items or a million dollars.
The purpose of the "Shopko loss-prevention officer" is at worst to try to ensure that this person is identified and can be prosecuted. Nothing more.
Beating the crap out of him and putting him in the hospital is not part of their duties.
Of course, the guys does not look like a minority. Otherwise, he would be dead.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)To be honest I am a bit for tort reform myself but I think the reform needs to be far broader than just lawsuits in court and include the maximum fines that companies have to pay because right now alot of those fines are so insignificant that companies willfully break the law because they are earning more than enough that the fines means shit to them because they will still make a profit.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)everyone else takes on both the risk and responsibility and they get to keep raking it in
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)course that's not what this is about.
Cap damages at $500,000 and you'll sue a private practice doctor into bankruptcy. Shopko will just laugh and pay the fine.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)because the fact is they are 100% unfair currently to the poor where as the wealthy often can just pay such a fine and not even notice it.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Ending up in the hospital over two little sissors is absurd. He should have gotten millions. This store got off cheap.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)I would have awarded him one dollar plus they would pay for all medical bills, the rest I would had given to either a homeless shelter or maybe a program that helps people released from prison to try to get training and good jobs.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)$750,000 is VERY cheap compensation in lieu of restoring it.
$1 is 'fuck you and your quality of life, moron.'
christx30
(6,241 posts)during the take down. I doubt the employee slammed him down on the ground based on nothing. The shoplifter probably resisted being stopped, and the employee overreacted to the resistance.
Once you resist in a situation like this, the thing you stole is no longer an issue, especially if you use violence.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)One of the store cops who weight a slight 250lbs picked up the heavy 150lb man and threw the man to the ground where he suffered 2 fractures in his skull, bleeding on the brain and 2 black eyes. He went to court and had to pay $50 for shoplifting.
The Omaha courts are very friendly to business. The loss prevention officers were to notify police and not to physically restrain a suspect.
But I am sure that everyone read the article anyway as I know no one ever jumps to a conclusion about just the headlines without reading the rest of the story.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)A jury made the award...
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Who cares what you'd support.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And thank god for that. You seem to be lacking in empathy.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)The fact is though its not ok to do that so 1 dollar plus the complete expense of his medical bills with the rest going somewhere that can help people in their lives like a shelter or help former prisoners get a job is imo justice.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in your mind, what if the items had been worth >$10 or say >$100?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)bring back lynchings. Curb crime and provide entertainment for the masses, what could go wrong?
Yes this is sarcasm.
christx30
(6,241 posts)used excessive force in stopping the shoplifter, he was doing his job by stopping the shoplifter. He wasn't administering punishment.
We don't know how the detainment went down. We don't know if the LPO verbally stopped him and there was as struggle, or if the shoplifter was tackled. Stopping a crime in progress and punishing a criminal are very different things that a lot of people around here confuse. And sometimes in being stopped, the criminal may be injured or killed. If you don't want to risk it, don't commit crimes.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)I guess I'd get his picture, his plate number, and call the cops.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)But there's a limit.
We may not know all the details, but the jury does, and determined it was excessive.
And as for calling the cops with a plate number of someone who stole scissors... I doubt they'd put out an APB.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Killing the kid allegedly stealing the mini cigars? You probably did.
christx30
(6,241 posts)What matters is how the shoplifter is stopped, and the his reaction to being stopped. Did the shoplifter resist being detained? Did he attack the LPO? Was it a verbal altercation that escalated?
There are a lot of thieves that are stopped every day in stores all over the country, with hardly anything getting this violent.
No one has a right to steal in this country. People have the right to stop you from stealing. They have the right to protect their property. Sometimes, that protection can get violent. You can avoid it by just not stealing.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)they have a strict policy of not laying their hands on shoplifters, all they're allowed to do is get a description of the suspect, get a license plate number, but they're forbidden from laying their hands on them, much less injuring them.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I don't want to assume and would prefer you to clarify, thanks.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)If you do not want to clarify, I will then assume.
A skull fracture and brain damage are peachy fine consequence for stealing a couple tiny scissors? As posted upthread by another DUer
"The purpose of the "Shopko loss-prevention officer" is at worst to try to ensure that this person is identified and can be prosecuted. Nothing more.
Beating the crap out of him and putting him in the hospital is not part of their duties. "
Shame on supporting using excessive force in a minor shoplifting incident.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)also suspect that this thief no longer considers stealing to be prudent or wise.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You views are more in tune with the RW, not progressives.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I'll continue to question your bona fides.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)Are you the gate keeper at DU, keeping all thought and opinion in line with yours?
I don't march in lock step with anyone, let alone someone whose intellect and judgement I have no respect for.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I'm just a member who's questioning your bona fides.
You are free to put me on ignore, as you suggested I do.
Oh, I think my intellect and judgment are far more evolved than yours, I'm not the one who has no empathy for a petty thief getting the snot beat out of him by 2 goons.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)And i don't agree with a lot of your recent posts. But, the POV being expressed by this poster is reprehensible.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)That's like saying it's ok for cops to kill speeders.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)and exceeding the speed limit. One can easily exceed the speed limit without realizing it; one doesn't steal anything without knowing exactly what they're doing.
Bottom line - if you steal, expect the worst. And if the worst happens, thieves will never get an ounce of sympathy from me.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)a minor item.
I guess you are fine with cops shooting jaywalkers too.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)The security guard broke protocol, did not do as he was supposed to. The jury agreed he used excessive force.
Yet you continue to say him giving this man brain damage was peachy.
Amazing.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)for thieves. Apparently you do, and that's your prerogative.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)braindamaged by a security guard using excessive force.
I will not lose one minute of sleep over this thief's predicament.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)sympathy for a thief. It did not in any way imply everything was "peachy". That was you putting words into my mouth to fit your narrative.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)brain trauma for the crime of shoplifting 2 small items.
Peachy.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)No, the thief should not have shoplifted. But the security guard should not have used that force in stopping him.
Here is a query for you. Are you ok with giving someone brain damage and fracturing their skull when they shoplift something minor?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)he won't admit it, though. Typical keyboard warrior.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)they're low level losers like the perp in this case, or the CEO of Goldman Sachs. They all deserve whatever bad karma comes their way due to their own actions.
gopiscrap
(23,760 posts)quit labeling him a thief. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty in court of law. Beyond that, no amount of theft is justifiable to permanently harm some one.
christx30
(6,241 posts)He was a thief. Shouldn't have been body slammed like that, but he did commit shoplifting.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)If you don't want to be permanently harmed, don't steal. Things can easily spin out of control. If you're foolish enough to steal, you could very well pay a very steep price for your stupidity, as this young man has learned the hard way.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)you're a fucking malicious idiot.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I wish I could rec this.
Bravo, well done.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that is why I didn't fear the hide. My last hide was about 3 months ago, because someone really needed to hear the same truth
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)when a post has been alerted on. Maybe it is just when they are hidden.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The only way to know if you've been alerted on is if a post is hidden, or, a juror is kind enough to post the results for you, or a juror PM's you with the results.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)It is a feature of a corrupt social system.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Heartwarming indeed! This is the kind of liberalism democrats strive for.
You're a hero in my book!
(where is that sarcasm thing?)
electricray
(432 posts)No, he is a human being who felt that he needed to steal something who was then forcefully and violently detained by another human being who is paid to enforce the corporate edict that human life is less valuable than company thatproperty.
If a retiree hired a private security force to stop greedy corporate executives from retroactively stealing the work the retiree did for the company during his career by using bankruptcy to get out of paying his pension, he'd be arrested for any violence his private security force used to stop that theft.
Crisis can make criminals of anyone, but unfortunately stealing to solve your crisis only ends up in violence and/or jail time if you are poor.
I don't want to excuse crime in any way, but using hired thugs to protect company property reminds me too much of Pinkertons "protecting" companies from Union organizers and I am glad that a jury pushed back on this corporate overreach.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You know Freeperville is down the hall and to the right, your views would be much more welcome there.
gopiscrap
(23,760 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)because of theft, you can't really complain. Or when companies are losing money, and have to lay people off.
And this guy wasn't in any kind of crisis. He wasn't stealing food to take care of his family. He was stealing scissors. He wanted something for nothing.
The theft prevention guys used excessive force, and they shouldn't have touched him, but I'm having a difficult time working up any sympathy for him. And you're vastly overplaying it with this "corporate edict" stuff. He stole something, he was caught. He refused to be detained by people who's job it is to protect the assets of this company. They were going to do it right and call the police.
Quick stat from Google:
It is estimated that shoplifting occurs 330 - 440 million times per year at a loss of $10-$13 billion dollars. Nationwide, that equates to 1.0-1.2 million shoplift incidents everyday at a loss rate of $19,000-$25,300 dollars stolen per minute.
electricray
(432 posts)You and a few others in this thread seem to be pretty certain that this guy was just a random punk who should have known that he risked skull fracture and brain damage when he pocketed those scissors. How do you know he wasn't in crisis? Are you playing the solipsism game by imagining why YOU might steal scissors and projecting based on your own ignorance?
When I was unemployed and school supply buying time came, I was hard pressed to come up with the cash to buy the hundreds of dollars worth of stuff the school could no longer afford to provide. I managed to cobble together enough for them to get by with charity, but I had a pretty solid network in place through my Union to help me in tough times. I was in a crisis that scissors paid for by someone else would help solve, but I was lucky enough to not have to steal them to solve that crisis.
"They were going to do it right and call the police,"??? And then what, since the guy didn't stop and politely wait for his ride to jail, they decided, " F**k doing it right! Let's crack some skull!"? Either poor training or a culture that tolerated or maybe even encouraged violence took over and cruel and unusual punishment was doled out with no judge or jury necessary. Now that a jury has come to a determination that you, with your armchair understanding of the case wouldn't have come to, you're certain that justice wasn't done?
I am certain that shrinkage is a factor in pricing of merchandise, but I'd wager not as big of a factor as ridiculous executive salaries, stock buybacks, loss prevention, loss insurance, and any number of things I couldn't care less about paying for but have to anyway. I'd rather not have to unwittingly pay for someone else's scissors either but if I had the choice to buy the scissors or crack the guy's skull, I'd choose the former every time.
Incidentally, I bet the violence will have a much larger impact on the company and prices than the loss of a couple pairs of scissors.
1monster
(11,012 posts)big truck delivered the retail merchandise to the retail outlets.
The people unloading the merchandise would check the items off the shipping manifest when they were unloaded and noted any discrepancies between the manifest and that actually received. Then, when the shipment was completely unloaded and checked off the list, the manager would write up a discrepancy report and send it via fax to the head office. That discrepancy amount was quite significant many time. Sometimes the item described was a much more expensive than the one sent, or it simply was not in the shipment at all.
After a few years, corporate changed the way discrepancies were handled. Instead of the actual discrepancy numbers, the retail outlets were only allowed to claim a one percent discrepancy between what the manifest stated and what was actually delivered. Any amount more than the one percent was chalked up to store loss and blamed on employee and consumer theft...
Creative bookkeeping to say the least.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)And now one of them is a cop, wonder how many excessive use of force complaints there are against him?
Warpy
(111,257 posts)Two skull fractures seem just a little extreme for stealing something worth less than $20.
Yes, he's a common thief. That doesn't mean he deserved this level of assault.
As for being a poster child for tort reform, this case isn't it. Had he not been a thief, likely the award would be far higher. Both award amounts would be appealed and lowered on appeal to what he's out of pocket in health care expenses.
Mr. Loss Prevention should be prevented from holding any sort of security guard or law enforcement job ever again. Rage junkies don't belong in positions of authority.
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gort
(687 posts)I would love to see the punishment this store dick would give to a Wall Street bankster...oh, I forgot this is America. If you're going to steal, steal billions and then tell everyone your bank is too big to fail.
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