Armed Protesters Gather As Obama Visits Oregon Shooting Victims' Families

[Grassy Knoll]

Source: talkingpointsmemo.com

Gun-toting protesters gathered on Friday morning to await President Obama's arrival in Roseburg, Ore., where he planned to meet with the families of victims of last week's mass shooting at Umpqua Community College.

But local residents planned to protest Obama's visit, saying he rushed to "politicize" the tragedy by pushing a gun control agenda.

"My family, my friends, everybody down here is not happy about him coming," Michelle Finn, a Umpqua alumna and Roseburg native, told the Oregonian. "He already says he's going to politicize this — he's already going to push his agenda."

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-roseburg-shooting-armed-protesters

[Dont call me Shirley]

1. Get a grip on reality gun addicts.

[emulatorloo]

4. If they're afraid of a back-ground check, maybe they should pick a new hobby.

[Lizzie Poppet]

29. I suspect gun issues are only a part of this.

A lot of folks from elsewhere don't realize how severe the urban/rural divide is here in Oregon. The big (by our standards) population centers are very left-leaning, and as our presidential voting shows, outnumber the rural areas. But those rural areas, which include small cities like Roseburg, are very conservative (in that typical libertarian Western way...not the Wall Street corporate type). A lot of those protesters not only oppose additional gun controls, but a lot of them probably think Obama is a Muslim, and/or Kenyan. Not to mention a socialist. And so forth (add your own idiotic RW meme about Obama here)...

It's Fox News Zombie Apocalypse country outside of the Willamette Valley, Ashland, and maybe Bend.

[NonMetro]

48. Interesting!

We have them same urban/rural divide here in Michigan, and I have a friend from Illinois who says it's the same there. Republicans, everywhere have exploited this forever. I've never been able to quite explain it, but for some reason, many small town and rural people feel superior to city people, and many openly despise city people. I've lived in both, and city people are far friendlier than small towner's, too, even though most small towner's consider themselves the friendliest people in the world! Nothing is universal about this, and I've met big city bigots and small town liberals. It just seems there are certain dominant characteristics, and it is clear there are far more Republicans and conservatives in rural areas than in the cities - because that's how they vote.

[billhicks76]

50. Racist Idiots.

Until the left declares war on FOX News nothing will change. Can you imagine hippie anti-war protestors showing up armed? Why does this not change? I'll tell you why...collaborators like Hillary Clinton do not go after guys like Rupert Murdoch because they are too in deep with each other due to money.

[azureblue]

30. then there"s this group

called the Secret Service. And you know they are playing close attention to what these terrorists are saying and who they are. 10 to 1 they will scatter when the Secret Service confronts them ..

[roguevalley]

2. :(

this is very red neck territory, this part of Oregon

[Maedhros]

25. Yep.

People who get angry at the President for visiting the site of a tragedy.

[davidpdx]

51. Hi RV, long-time no see

Yep, you and I know too well what this area is like.

OT: BTW, you should take a look at this article. A shocking little tidbit in there.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/america-richest-poorest-cities-132329709.html

[roguevalley]

52. HI, DAVIDPDX! So good to see you too. I had to take a break. I was starting to be a

harpy. :LOL! Thank you for the link. Poor Grants Pass. I grew up nearby in Central Point. Lovely place, but poor as dirt then. That's why we came to Alaska. Hugs, sweetie. Been a while.

[onehandle]

3. Racist domestic terrorists. The very essence of gun culture.

[pamela]

33. Nice flag code violation in picture #1. n/t

[Person 2713]

41. I was just about to say the same about those pukriots

[Wellstone ruled]

5. Fake Noise wins again,another one of their

demographic's.

[Frustratedlady]

6. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

What in the devil is wrong with people. He's going to have to politicize it to get anything done while people are paying attention to the massacre. Would they rather he ignore the situation and tell them they are on their own?

Does anyone have the common courtesy to treat the POTUS with the respect he gives to them? I'm totally ashamed of these clowns and glad I don't live near enough to hear what they are saying about Obama. Our society is beyond help, it seems.

[christx30]

15. They kind of do want him to tell them

they are on their own. They don't want any government intervention. They have an innate distrust of everything in Washington. Pretty much it's "lock up the crazies and the homeless, and leave me and mine alone."

[LuckyLib]

24. No gubmint intervention, er, except for Social

Security, the GI Bill, farm subsidies, FEMA help, Medicare, etc etc etc.
Red neck heaven. No thanks.

[christx30]

31. No one ever accused them of being overly logical. n/t

[SusanaMontana41]

16. It's already politicized.

Mass murders are always political.

And, no, they don't have common courtesy or respect for the president.
They're taking their cues from their beloved GOP. Way too many examples to list here.

[msongs]

7. gun owners of america in action nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. How much grief would he have gotten if he didn't go there?

He went to Sandy Hook and the other places where these sorts of shootings occurred, and if he hadn't gone to Roseburg as well, they'd have whined that he doesn't care about them because it's a GOP district or some damned thing.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. I suspect everyone of those protestors has been ID'd by

Secret Service folks. If any of them ever made a threat to the president online, I would bet they may be visited by some men in black.

[hotrod0808]

9. If something like this happened

in almost any other country, wouldn't these protesters have been rounded up and either imprisoned or executed before they could even break out their poorly spelled signs? Since it did not happen here, maybe they need to rethink their opinion that President Obama is a tyrant who wants to deprive them of their rights. But they won't.

[pocoloco]

43. Ain't that the truth!!

Thank God we have a constitution!

And fuck the ass hats who would destroy it!!

[Sunlei]

10. why are they so afraid of background checks?

Makes me uneasy, a crowd of people with guns. Never know when some unbalanced person will arrive with their gun

[NobodyHere]

14. Do you think gun control advocates will actually stop at background checks?

[upaloopa]

21. The more killings happen the more people

will ask for more regulation. You are your own worse enemy. Join in the fight to prevent gun violence

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. Of course not! Haven't you heard? We won't rest until we've confiscated everyone's guns.

[Skittles]

27. OMG, cowards and their guns

the fact they are unable to admit America has a problem speaks volumes

[Half-Century Man]

28. Background checks are a good starting point.

The next step is making gun sales without one illegal everywhere.
The next step is ammo sales being limited to 21 and older unless in military or police.
The next step is titling every firearm the same way we do cars.
Then licenses for firearms just like drivers licenses.

Read the second amendment carefully. There is not a single reference to guns. It uses the blanket term "arms"; as in, a tool used to cause physical harm to individuals and animals.
The USA has a long history of regulating weapons. Dating all the way back to immediately after the American Revolutionary War. In the, then, capital of Philadelphia they regulated the public carrying of swords and pistols.

The massively hated and mostly widow dressing "Brady Bill", enacted under Saint Ronny.
Clinton caught the majority of the shit for it.
The horrors of a militarized police and massive civil spying network so feared by 2nd A fans during Clinton; came to pass under Bush.
Obama caught shit for it.

The fear is being sent from above to inspire the masses to hunker down and not look at what could be.

[NobodyHere]

34. You're response is perfect as to why many gun right supporters won't accept UBC

Because gun control advocates are going to want "the next step" and not stop at UBC. So why would the gun rights people give the opposing view an inch?

[Half-Century Man]

37. Fanatical gun right advocates are tremendously outnumbered. Good Luck

Whatever the law ends up being, comply or be judged criminal.
Just like marijuana legalization advocates were and are.
Just like civil rights advocates (or deniers) were and are.
Just like women's suffragettes were.
Just like prohibitionists were.
Just like rum runners were.
Just like Pro and Anti slavery forces were.


Background checks are feared for a single reason. A huge shitload of people illegally own firearms. And UBC will slam the door on them getting any more.

[christx30]

47. Many of them see it like the TSA:

"Why should I have to take off my shoes at the airport? I'm not a psycho idiot that's going to blow up a plane." With guns it's "Why should I give up my firearms? I'm not a psycho idiot that's going to shoot up a school."
Just because there are criminals and crazy people that want to misuse tools, doesn't mean everyone should have to give them up.
Now, personally, I wouldn't want to have a gun in my house. I don't want my kids to pick them up. I keep my sword in the top of my locked closet. But I would never tell a law abiding person they couldn't have a gun if they felt unsafe.
I'd like to see more background checks. I'd like to see mandatory safety classes, which include lessons on legal times you can use deadly force to defend yourself. But I am against outright outlawing.

[lunatica]

59. Except no one is asking or telling them to give up their guns

No one.

[oberliner]

45. Brady Bill as "Widow dressing"?

Quite a powerful typo.

[Half-Century Man]

57. I expressed an opinion, Please see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027252393

Thank you

[beevul]

56. Are you going to change the age of gun ownership to 21 too?

The next step is ammo sales being limited to 21 and older unless in military or police

I doubt 18 year olds who pass a background check and buy a rifle are going to like it if they can buy the rifle or shotgun but not the ammunition.

Then licenses for firearms just like drivers licenses.

And this license will allow public carry?

The massively hated and mostly widow dressing "Brady Bill", enacted under Saint Ronny.

How is the brady bill which background checks ALL firearms at retail, 'mostly window dressing'?

[Half-Century Man]

58. Sorry for the delay, I had family issues to attend to.

I believe firearm purchases should be limited to persons over 21, the standard we hold to purchase alcohol. However I believe firearms can be given to those between 18-21 by family; this is a traditional right of passage/recognition of adulthood thing in the USA. Buying ammo and guns is not so much.

Open carry; My opinion is open carry should be regulated. If you have a legitimate reason; verifiable circumstances of sudden exposure to danger (ie camping in bear country), employment; that is okay.
Concealed carry. Once again, regulated. The only reason for concealed carry is human beings and verifiable danger from them.

My bad, my timeline was wonky. The Brady Bill was enacted under Clinton, and still was wanting as firearm legislation. Pleas see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027252393.

[Ahpook]

44. That is my question

Who in their right mind would not want more restriction?

If you are doing nothing wrong, why worry about it?

[SoapBox]

11. ...loon.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Wheels up, Marine One has left Roseburg.

nt

[KamaAina]

17. I assume the place was swarming with Secret Service.

Especially considering your username...

[mnhtnbb]

26. Nightmare for Secret Service.

[IkeRepublican]

18. A molehill of massive derp

[central scrutinizer]

36. Or

[link:?1402620579|

[TrollBuster9090]

39. Or

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Or

[colorado_ufo]

19. Wearing the American flag on their heads, like a bandana.

I want to puke at their ignorant disrespect and even more at their hypocrisy. Then, disrespecting the office of the POTUS, to add insult.

And they think they are patriots.

[LuckyTheDog]

20. Stay classy gun nuts. (nt)

[allan01]

22. love the ones wearing flags as bandannas , better check your flag code folks .

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

32. Pushing an agenda

after being in office nearly 7 years...............

[lastone]

35. Fucking traitors

Imagine how quickly these same fucking fools would have been locked up if they tried this when the worst president in history was actively destroying the country. I do business in these parts of Oregon and they are mostly "good people" until politics come up and then it's nothing but racisim, sexism and stupidity. I keep asking people why they vote r and all they can tell me is why they dont vote d, and it's the same ole shit, they hate black, brown, yellow, gay, city folk - basically anything that ain't whitebread stupid they are against.

[davidpdx]

49. I grew up just south of there

The city I lived in had very few minorities back then and there was rumored to be a local KKK chapter (for clarification, I don't know this for sure). I lived there from the time I was about 11 until I was 18. Thankfully I moved to Portland and went to school and lived there for 11 years before moving overseas. Personally I have a strong distaste for the area because of the racism.

[TrollBuster9090]

38. Technically, I think there have to be more than three people before it can be called a "gathering"

But, given that three people waving Gadsden flags around is enough to make most TV news reporters have an orgasm, and most members of Congress shit their pants, I guess it's okay.

[Midnight Writer]

54. CNN reported "up to 8000 expected". MSNBC reported less than 200.

Fox reported that "virtually no one in this town of 22,000 wants the President here".
From footage I saw, maybe a few dozen?

This seems like a simple empirical number that should be easy for news organizations to pin down.

So why don't they?

[olddots]

40. are these people capable of operating heavy machinery ?

like standing erect ?

[penndragon69]

42. The same hate filled bigots

who think Obama is an illegitimate,foreign
born thief.

Fuck all of those teabagger ASSHOLES !

[moondust]

53. The Teeny Weenie Club

Begins to explain the sheriff's gun nuttery and Sandy Hook CT nonsense. Heard on the news that Obama only got 35% of the vote in that county.

[Darb]

55. No posts from our resident fetishists, must be in Oregon.

Wankers.