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Eugene

(61,893 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:28 PM Oct 2015

Court rules stolen $200m Vincent van Gogh painting can stay at Yale

Source: Associated Press

A federal appeals court has sided with Yale University in a dispute over the ownership of a $200m Vincent van Gogh painting.

The second US circuit court of appeals last week upheld a 2014 ruling by a lower court that dismissed the claims of Pierre Konowaloff. He says the Dutch painter’s The Night Cafe was stolen from his family during the Russian Revolution.

Yale has had the painting since 1961. It sued in 2009 to block Konowaloff from claiming it.

The federal judge who backed Yale last year cited doctrine in which US courts don’t examine the validity of foreign governments’ expropriation orders. In its decision, the appeals court says the lower court acted appropriately.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/26/stolen-vincent-van-gogh-painting-yale-russia-the-night-cafe



Associated Press in New Haven, Connecticut
Monday 26 October 2015 22.13 GMT
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Court rules stolen $200m Vincent van Gogh painting can stay at Yale (Original Post) Eugene Oct 2015 OP
The Yale Art Gallery rocks. KamaAina Oct 2015 #1
Do they have... Delver Rootnose Oct 2015 #2
I think, if that were possible, they would have been severely treated in a court of law. CTyankee Oct 2015 #10
20 yrs. after VG painted it when his paintings were worth nothing wordpix Oct 2015 #18
It's great. I saw this painting there and was engrossed in it. What a work! CTyankee Oct 2015 #3
and I have been to the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam... luvspeas Oct 2015 #4
This is a matter now in the court, so we will see see... CTyankee Oct 2015 #5
I was carried away by my visit to that museum a few years ago... CTyankee Oct 2015 #12
They were not the ones suing though nor were the prior owners. cstanleytech Oct 2015 #15
They denied him because the State, gvt of the country, Russia stole it from him? uppityperson Oct 2015 #6
Thanks for the post. 'The Night Cafe' is a wonderful van Gogh work. I have difficulty with court appalachiablue Oct 2015 #7
Not too surprising. Yale ozone_man Oct 2015 #8
wow so the russian government sold the looted painting in 1961. That's very recent. Sunlei Oct 2015 #9
The Russian government christx30 Oct 2015 #13
especially if the russian government hoarded the loot and 'sold it' in 1961. Thats recent. Sunlei Oct 2015 #14
So lemme get this straight. . . . Jake Stern Oct 2015 #11
No. The Court said no US Court will investigate the rulings of another nation's courts. Unless we've marble falls Oct 2015 #21
Not surprised. blackspade Oct 2015 #16
You have to see a Van Gogh painting directly, up-close brentspeak Oct 2015 #17
I love his stuff, too. I saw a vG painting at the National Gallery that made me cry wordpix Oct 2015 #19
Rich judges ratify stealing by the rich and keeping by the rich The Second Stone Oct 2015 #20
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
1. The Yale Art Gallery rocks.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:30 PM
Oct 2015

Since its primary purpose is as a teaching gallery (a number of my junior-year girlfriend's dorm mates were art history majors), it's free. And open to the public.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. I think, if that were possible, they would have been severely treated in a court of law.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think Yale, of all places, would be putting themselves in that position.



wordpix

(18,652 posts)
18. 20 yrs. after VG painted it when his paintings were worth nothing
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:03 PM
Oct 2015

That's when the great grandfather bought it. He had an eye for art when no one else thought it was worth anything. I agree with you, DR

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. It's great. I saw this painting there and was engrossed in it. What a work!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:35 PM
Oct 2015

YUAG is a gift to New Haven that is fabulous. I LOVE his gallery and have spent many wonderful hours here engrossed in the art...

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
4. and I have been to the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:35 PM
Oct 2015

The family has preserved an amazing body of work and the painting should be in it's rightful place among them.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
12. I was carried away by my visit to that museum a few years ago...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:11 PM
Oct 2015

It was entrancing to me. View of Delft carried me away...

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
15. They were not the ones suing though nor were the prior owners.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

Should Yale donate it or at the very least loan it out to them? Sure but they arent required to do so.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
7. Thanks for the post. 'The Night Cafe' is a wonderful van Gogh work. I have difficulty with court
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:46 PM
Oct 2015

decisions and the way some governments, institutions and lawyers handle these cases of stolen art work from wartime or other conflict situations.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. wow so the russian government sold the looted painting in 1961. That's very recent.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:49 PM
Oct 2015

Someone should reimburse $omething back to the original owners family. And make mention by the painting how it was obtained.

Did Yale pay for the painting? or provide a free education for some Russian government officials?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. especially if the russian government hoarded the loot and 'sold it' in 1961. Thats recent.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:20 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder if Russian gov. 'traded' the painting for some college educations for some of their government officials.? Yale is expensive education unless they will accept war loot instead of cash.

But those kind of deals would make the tuition fees higher for students who don't have priceless paintings to pay for college.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
11. So lemme get this straight. . . .
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

What the courts have said is basically that even if he COULD prove it was stolen there's not a thing they will do to make it right.

At least Buffy can learn in her Art History class that it's all good to buy and keep looted art as long as it's done by the beeeeyouteeeeeeeful Yale Art Galley.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
21. No. The Court said no US Court will investigate the rulings of another nation's courts. Unless we've
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:19 AM
Oct 2015

beaten them in a war.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
16. Not surprised.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

Yale is one of the richest universities in one of the poorest towns in the nation.
That a judge sides with the rich and powerful is typical.
I guess another "crooked" item to add to Yale's collection.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
17. You have to see a Van Gogh painting directly, up-close
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

to fully appreciate it. The colors he came up with were brighter than bright. and even good photographs can't really capture them adequately. Seeing his work up-close, you can see the layers upon layers of paint he globbed onto the canvas to get his desired effect.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
19. I love his stuff, too. I saw a vG painting at the National Gallery that made me cry
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:07 PM
Oct 2015

It was so blue. I cried b/c it was so beautiful yet no one appreciated his art during his lifetime and it drove him nuts.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
20. Rich judges ratify stealing by the rich and keeping by the rich
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:09 AM
Oct 2015

that's fucked up, but that's American justice for you.

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