In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush

[Omaha Steve]

Source: The Hill

By Brent Budowsky

In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41.

The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points.

The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.

It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative — if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-both

[Faux pas]

1. Kicketty Kickin'

and feelin' the Bern

[geek tragedy]

2. Trump and Bush have no chance to win the nomination. Rubio will be their nominee

and he'll be a lot tougher.

[Imajika]

6. Agree, most likely their candidate will be Rubio...

Trump will fade as his circus act gets old and Bush is a terrible candidate.

Rubio may turn out to be a challenging foe.

[geek tragedy]

14. he'll be very young and will be going against an old Democrat.

that helps right away with the 'change' argument

[billhicks76]

17. Jeb Is The Chosen One...Decided Long Ago...Like Hillary...By Wall St.

But I have to agree with you on this one that Rubio is their most viable candidate and if they were smart they would nominate him.

[geek tragedy]

22. the difference is that Republicans hate Jeb Bush. nt

[trillion]

52. They hate him for the wrong reasons though. He's not racist and sexist enough.

[MisterG]

12. Agree.

My sources say that the establishment expectation is that Rubio will be the nominee. Bush can't get the rank-and-file on board and Trump will be taken down. It will be a radically new contest after that.

[Yavin4]

15. Not to toot my own horn but..

I called the nomination for Rubio back in Sept.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251632574

[PatrynXX]

32. Rand could easily get it.

however Trumps pretty close

the reasoning behind their fear about Rubio is well Trump

[trillion]

51. Honestly, Rubio is as bad as Trump and Bush. Of course I can't stand trumps face or voice

so I guess it is an improvement. Glad Fiorina isn't likely to be it. I can't stand that hag either. I am a woman so it's not sexist. It's her postion on women. The GOP sure pick the bottom of the barrel to run. I mean they even found a sexist woman and a racist blackman.

[Skittles]

4. if CARSON isn't the candidate?

CARSON IS A NUTCASE

[LiberalElite]

5. Indeed. But so far

that's apparently a plus in Rightwingloonieland.

[Owl]

13. Yes indeed!

[Kalidurga]

59. And quickly becoming a requirement

[bvf]

29. Carson will not be the R nominee.

Nothing could convince me otherwise. I know enough not-batshit-crazy Republicans who vote.

[Ken Burch]

35. I'm pretty sure Bernie can beat "Dr. Pyramid". n/t.

[trillion]

53. rofl

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. This is why, when they sober up, the Republicans will nominate Rubio

He's only 3 points down against Bernie, and 2 against Hillary. Carson will (possibly is, right now) self-destruct, and so will Trump for that matter. Rubio still stands a chance of being molded into a credible candidate.

[Jim Lane]

49. I wouldn't dismiss Cruz's chances

I join with the conventional wisdom that neither Trump nor Carson has any real shot at the nomination. Their supporters, however, won't go away. Those Republican voters are disgusted with the status quo, with the same old same old from the Republican Party. Cruz is better positioned than Rubio to pick up their votes.

[cantbeserious]

8. Busted - Another HRC Bernie Myth Bites The Dust

eom

[still_one]

28. What myth is that? Doesn't someone have to become the Democratic nominee before they can run

against the republican nominee first?

[cantbeserious]

30. The Busted Myth Is One Promoted By The HRC Crowd That Bernie Is Unelectable

eom

[still_one]

31. got it. Thanks. Personally I think whoever our nominee is, it will not be the slam dunk we would

like it to be.

[dreamnightwind]

9. Everyone needs to see this:

Everyone needs to see this:

For today, there are two issues these polls present. First, the national reporting of the presidential campaign completely fails to reflect Sanders's strength in a general election, especially against Trump, and against Bush as well.

Second, and perhaps more important, Sanders's strength in general election polling gives credence to the argument I have been making in recent years, that American voters favor progressive populist positions which, if taken by Democrats in the general election, would lead to a progressive populist Democratic president and far greater Democratic strength in Congress.

It is a fallacy argued by conservatives and, in my view, inaccurately parroted by the mainstream media, that Sanders and other liberals take positions that are far too "left." The polling shows, issue by issue, and increasingly in general election match-ups of Republicans running against Sanders, that it is the left, not the right, which has the upper hand with American voters.

This blows away most of the excuses given for supporting Hillary over Bernie, IMHO.

[tecelote]

21. +1! Thanks.

[Trajan]

47. Well Said ...

I think that non voters will come out of the woodwork and get to the polls ... and totally blow out legislative opponents ...

I am ever hopeful .... We NEED a Bernie Sanders at the helm, with a congress that will work FOR the people instead of against them ...

[trillion]

54. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Enthusiast]

67. +1 a whole bunch!

[frazzled]

10. And in the same poll, so does Clinton

(Her landslide over Trump is even greater.) All this poll proves is that any Democratic candidate fares well against these two jokers. Where's the shock?

The issue is still who gets the Democratic nomination to ultimately run against the R nominee.

[George II]

42. Not only that, but Clinton would defeat all six republicans, Sanders would lose to Carson.

[George II]

11. In the same poll Clinton leads Trump by a bigger landslide of 15 points.

[Scootaloo]

26. And? Winning is winning.

if your logic for supporting Clinton is "becuase Sanders can't win against the Republicans" then this is kind of, y'know, proving that notion wrong.

[George II]

41. And? The point of the OP was, in part, a landslide victory by Sanders vs. Trump. I pointed out....

....that Clinton would win in an even bigger landslide.

So what's your problem, Scootaloo?

[trillion]

58. There's this website called democracynow.org

perhaps you want to go there some time and click the play button. Most people on this site that do give it a try end up finding it's the most important news site out there. I mention it because your support of Hillary seems like you're missing a lot of information.

[George II]

65. I'm not missing anything. Thanks for your concern.

[trillion]

55. Do you know how bad that means she is doing? She is the superpact queen of the dems and is the

corrupt status quo that has more than 100 million assured by her superpacts(prison corporations, etc.)
and yet, she's only 3 point above Sanders. She's doing terrible and she is a TERRIBLE choice for a candidate. To many Dems are educated enough to know exactly why. I watched her for years as a Senator and as Secretary of state as she sold us down river repeatedly. Her newly non-support of the TPP is only lipservice. She is one of the originators of the current TPP agreement. Thank God she has only a 3% gap from Sanders. That has plenty of time for him to close.

Here's one link, but I remember when it was actually happening(when the first agreements started) and we all knew it was bad then and it turned out Hillary was behind it and was part of the people designing it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027058998

[FreakinDJ]

16. with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate

There is the money line

[PSPS]

18. The fact is that none of the GOP candidates will be winning.

I know the media will create a horse race to sell its ads. Nevertheless, the GOP primary positions are crafted to appeal to such a small segment of society (what's left of their dwindling base) that it will crush any chance of a win in a general election. That's why they are calling it, "the booby prize of the GOP nomination."

And, Rubio? Are you kidding? The pundit thinking that "Rubio will bring the Latino vote" is utter hogwash. Do you know how Hispanics themselves refer to Rubio's supposed appeal? "Hispandering."

[Egnever]

48. .

Hispandering

[Historic NY]

19. Good thing Hillary is 15 points ahead.....gives her some cushion.

[smiley]

20. k&r

Go Bernie Go!

[Historic NY]

24. They just pretending..

and welcome to DU.

[Omaha Steve]

25. Welcome to the DU

[William769]

27. To bad he doesn't overcome Hillary Clinton.

If he can't overcome Hillary, the other polls are useless for him.

[fbc]

37. These other polls can help him overcome Hillary

There appears to be a large number of democrats who support Hillary because they mistakenly believe she is more electable in a general election. It's important to get the message to these people that the opposite is true before the democrats lose the general election to a far right wing lunatic.

[Ken Burch]

39. Now that the "only HRC is electable" myth has been totally discredited

Bernie can overcome her. The belief that she could win and Bernie can't is basically all she has going for her at this point. Gert the majority of Dem primary voters to see that Bernie is actually MORE electable(which is what these polls prove), and her advantage will vanish.

[trillion]

56. He's within 3 points of your bought out corrupt super pact queen. You should worry. he doens't have

the 100 million corporate backing she does and it hasn't stopped him.

[drray23]

33. none of those republicans will be the nominee anyway.

More interesting would be to see how he does against Marco Rubio whom, I think will end up with the nomination.

[PosterChild]

40. Especially when Rubio calls attention to their fact that . .

Bernie's a socialist . Oh, wait! He won't have to! Bernie has already done that for him!

[Egnever]

46. 48 v 45 Sanders over Rubio in the same poll

Only person he doesn't beat is Carson.

[fbc]

34. Bernie Sanders is the party's most electable candidate in a general election.

Hillary on the other hand.... despised by the opposition, disliked by a very large percentage of her own party, and with unfavorability ratings through the roof in the battleground states. That's a recipe for disaster in the general election.

[PosterChild]

38. Sanders is unelectable - he's a socialist eom

[mvd]

43. I'd say when haven't they called our candidate a socialist?

Bernie is still a capitalist with socialist elements. The Democratic Socialism can be explained that way. When Bernie shows how his views are the opposite of scary, I bet he'd get a lot of support.

[c588415]

36. I am a Clinton supporter who has yet to "feel the Bern".

He aint gonna win

[Egnever]

45. Weird crazy Carson is the only one that beats Sanders.

Likely voters are odd folks.

[trillion]

50. Awesome News. Bernie 2016. I didnt realize Bush was so close to Trump, I thought Bush was done.

Now if trump could fall out. I can't stand that guy. Even for a min for news clips. ewww

[Duckfan]

57. But of course people will not look at reality and history of HRC and support her anyway

Despite the likelihood an R would beat her in the GE. So her support for TPP and manufacturing jobs going to China are meaningless to them. Just more of the same corporate Wall Street crap.

[crim son]

60. I keep imagining pathetic republicans making their way to the polling sites.

Not sure how it will turn out but I am certain there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth. Idiots.

[davidpdx]

61. But it's an online poll that only included non-registered voters

[LiberalElite]

62. Kick! nt

[Nitram]

63. OMG! A SHOCK poll?

I'm not sure I can stand the excitement!

[tabasco]

64. Perhaps America is smarter than I think

I sure hope so.

[Babel_17]

66. People want real change

Shows that some Trump supporters prefer change, plus Sanders rock solid understanding of government, and what needs to be done. Sanders is absolutely for the 99% while Trump is conveniently vague on what he wants to do.