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Omaha Steve

(99,642 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:52 PM Nov 2015

Sanders faces challenge to New Hampshire ballot eligibility

Source: AP

By KATHLEEN RONAYNE

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is facing a challenge to his eligibility for the Democratic primary ballot in New Hampshire because of his longtime status as an independent.

The state's five-member Ballot Law Commission, which rules on questions of eligibility, will take up the challenge Nov. 24.

The state's filing paperwork requires a candidate to declare as a registered member of whichever party he or she is running in. The complaint, filed Thursday, claims Sanders is ineligible because he has never been elected as a Democrat. Sanders declared himself a Democrat while filing to run last week.

The Sanders campaign says it is confident he meets the requirements. He caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate and has the backing of the New Hampshire Democratic Party to run in the primary.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/63e2c64e1adc45d99b383ba58fd27e69/sanders-faces-challenge-new-hampshire-ballot-eligibility

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Sanders faces challenge to New Hampshire ballot eligibility (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2015 OP
Golly! What a surprise that someone would pull some ballot shenanigans! jeff47 Nov 2015 #1
Sanders just is not organize: he has a lot of money: he should have checked lewebley3 Nov 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #28
Checked what? drm604 Nov 2015 #57
Checked to see if the state is free of Birthers who might file frivolous complaints. stone space Nov 2015 #81
If he did check, there won't be problems lewebley3 Nov 2015 #95
I'll this one, and only, thing on this topic ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #127
And there won't be. drm604 Nov 2015 #136
Obama's name was on the ballot in Florida Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #27
See response #3 JackInGreen Nov 2015 #130
This was bound to happen. TPTB do NOT want Bernie to win in NH. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #2
Doesn't mention who filed the complaint. n/t JimDandy Nov 2015 #3
I think it does demwing Nov 2015 #22
It's Andy Martin. Found it in a CNN story. Still not JimDandy Nov 2015 #42
They wouldn't dare! SoapBox Nov 2015 #4
And here we thought Plucketeer Nov 2015 #5
See 42 It was a Republican that complained. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #67
Thanks Plucketeer Nov 2015 #76
But, but .. I thought the ReThugs WANTED to run against Bernie, not Hillary 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #93
It appears this has nothing to do with what the Republican Party wants. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #105
Yes a RW loon & tool, for RW causes. Nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #111
Hmm, I wonder who filed that challenge? tularetom Nov 2015 #6
I'm pretty sure that challenging requires legal-standing. Chan790 Nov 2015 #9
It's odd that the target of both of these lawsuits by this guy are all Hillary's number 1 competitor zomgitsjesus Nov 2015 #84
You know, Barry Goldwater had a corps of teen aged sleeper agents. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #89
I do not support challenging Senator Sanders' upaloopa Nov 2015 #7
Thank you Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #20
+1 deutsey Nov 2015 #45
I don't support that either. murielm99 Nov 2015 #61
Thank you. geardaddy Nov 2015 #62
The challenger is some birther nut. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #8
I've heard that the right would much rather run against Hillary Clinton than Bernie Sanders. nt Snotcicles Nov 2015 #13
rather run against Clinton SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #26
How do you know what I've heard? nt Snotcicles Nov 2015 #32
where did you hear it SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #88
More accurately, "how do you know what I've allegedly heard..." LanternWaste Nov 2015 #97
Not when you compare their favorables LoveIsNow Nov 2015 #86
I've heard a lot too. The irrational part of me wants to believe everything I hear LanternWaste Nov 2015 #96
I remember him from 2008 Jarqui Nov 2015 #17
Thanks for that info red dog 1 Nov 2015 #44
Why would Andy Martin have any standing in the complaint? mwooldri Nov 2015 #72
He's a presidential candidate in NH. As such, JimDandy Nov 2015 #94
I hope he challenges Ted Cruz. 33taw Nov 2015 #82
I don't think this is dirty politics. It's a legit question: Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #10
Because the rules say he has to declare himself to be a democrat, and he did. NEXT? Vincardog Nov 2015 #12
If that's the only criterion, then the challenge in NH will be over in about .... now. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #14
The Sanders campaign says it is confident he meets the requirements. He caucuses with the Democrats Vincardog Nov 2015 #16
I'm thinking this thread is much ado about nothing. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #25
Considering past events, yes. Chan790 Nov 2015 #15
"I'm not asking the question and i like Sanders."?? red dog 1 Nov 2015 #51
No I did not. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #56
I'm not implying anything, but you did use the word "loud" to describe Bernie, red dog 1 Nov 2015 #66
Intentionally confusing "imply" and "infer" is irrational. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #99
Repeating your title in the message text is irrational. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #109
Because there is no Dem party in Vermont. kristopher Nov 2015 #69
.. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #78
"Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?" kristopher Nov 2015 #110
But there ARE Democrats VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #117
There aren't any REGISTERED Democrats. kristopher Nov 2015 #118
So....they are ACCEPTED as Democrats because VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #119
I'm amazed you can't see how repugnant that kind of reasoning is to the reality based community... kristopher Nov 2015 #122
I am giving the reality.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #125
No you aren't. You are trying to drive people away unless they support Hillary kristopher Nov 2015 #126
Ask around......been saying this for weeks VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #131
Maybe you heard the whoosh overhead... kristopher Nov 2015 #132
I heard you running away..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #133
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #90
TROLL???!!! Isn't it the trick of Avid Sanders Supporters to hit ALERT when someone says the t-word? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #108
The man said on TV VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #134
If Bernie has no chance, as Hillary's fans claim, why do they pull this shit? Scuba Nov 2015 #11
They didn't. It was an anti-Semitic RWNJ. See posts 8 & 17. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #33
What makes you think it's the same guy? Scuba Nov 2015 #40
CNN says so. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #47
Well, that's going to leave a deep scar in his biases... LanternWaste Nov 2015 #100
So nice you had to say it twice? Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #128
That's how LanternWaste always posts. Codeine Nov 2015 #129
Dashed hopes? LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #92
Seems it was a republican nut job Andy823 Nov 2015 #38
so perhaps the rw loons are afraid of bernie after all restorefreedom Nov 2015 #18
I know this will disappoint some because they will have nothing to bitch about, but he will be on still_one Nov 2015 #19
BERNIE HAD to say he was a Democrat..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #36
So, there is nothing wrong with that. People become Democrats or change parties every day still_one Nov 2015 #46
not usually after 45 yrs...and because they are FORCED to....or end their Presidential Campaign VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #48
If you want to try to piss off Sander's supporters, that is your problem. If Hillary wins the still_one Nov 2015 #52
Are they supposed to hold us hostage? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #54
I don't know what you are referring to. This is the typical political primary sniping that goes on still_one Nov 2015 #83
Yes you do.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #87
It's sincerity when candidate A does it, merely triangulation should candidate B do it. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #102
It has nothing to do with that.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #103
K&R...Thanks for posting, Omaha Steve red dog 1 Nov 2015 #21
Aparently only incumbents are allowed? stone space Nov 2015 #23
He had to CLAIM he was a Democrat! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #30
My comment was specifically about this: stone space Nov 2015 #31
he hasn't VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #35
Should first time candidates be barred from running or not? stone space Nov 2015 #37
Are they a registered Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #55
The stated objection was this. stone space Nov 2015 #59
but its true...he has't VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #64
And neither has any first time candidate. stone space Nov 2015 #68
but a first time candidate CAN be register as a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #74
A first time candidate would be barred under this complaint. stone space Nov 2015 #80
You are wrong, at least as to Vermont residents. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #113
No...is there a famous Democrat from Vermont VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #114
Yet more deflection from you. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #115
You might be interested to know VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #116
LOL, total reading comprehension fail. (n/t) Jim Lane Nov 2015 #123
Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #124
You were eager to attack Sanders so you didn't pay enough attention to the posts you were answering. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #135
the guy who filed the suit is a wingnut birther phantom power Nov 2015 #41
Not terribly surprised at that. (nt) stone space Nov 2015 #43
Rut Roh! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #29
A quick review of the person who filed the challenge, with whom you are lining up.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #34
This is pure Bull Shit and INdemo Nov 2015 #39
100% pure. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #49
Where did you get the Bull that is so cool but dont INdemo Nov 2015 #70
It's apparently some right-wing loon deutsey Nov 2015 #50
its actually on the books in at least 5 states....and explains WHY VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #58
Wow, you are still endorsing this guy's work? One of the original Birthers, Martin is literally Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #60
You forgot something Renew Deal Nov 2015 #63
forgot what??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #75
After reviewing for accuracy, I may tend to avoid your first thoughts and best guesses in the future LanternWaste Nov 2015 #104
Whoever filed this complaint needs to get out of the way. thucythucy Nov 2015 #53
Much ado about nothing. drm604 Nov 2015 #65
He has to declare as a "registered member" of the Democratic party. Is he? Do the rules not apply to livetohike Nov 2015 #71
Vermont does not require registration in order to vote. Up jwirr Nov 2015 #85
Thanks. I missed that regarding Vermont. livetohike Nov 2015 #91
Are you now, or have you ever been an Independent? Flying Squirrel Nov 2015 #73
Have you now or have you ever...Run AGAINST Democrats? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #77
They are going to pull out all the stops to make sure Bernie doesn't get elected. loudsue Nov 2015 #79
They in this case being Andy Martin. An unhinged birther Godhumor Nov 2015 #121
They will try anything LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #98
Hillary has been a member of the Democratic Party since 1968. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #101
you know a candidate by their consistant record demwing Nov 2015 #120
Bogus "challenge" ashling Nov 2015 #106
Love the circular firing squad here, guys. Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #107
You know every avenue madokie Nov 2015 #112

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
1. Golly! What a surprise that someone would pull some ballot shenanigans!
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015

It's not like one candidate didn't quite file the paperwork to remove her name from MI and FL's ballot in 2008, as required by the DNC when those states moved up their primary without permission.

So odd that such an experienced politician couldn't do that when a "newcomer" like Obama managed to do so.

Response to lewebley3 (Reply #24)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
127. I'll this one, and only, thing on this topic ...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:54 PM
Nov 2015

all question would be/would have been moot; but for, a refusal to register as a Democrat with the DNC. It would have taken all of the time it took to sign on a single dotted line.

But because the filing papers contain an affirmation, on penalty of perjury, that one is a member of the party for which one is seeking the nomination. So I have no doubt he will prevail ... especially since, neither the DNC, nor the N.H.D.P. are making any noise.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
136. And there won't be.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

This complaint was filed by a single malcontent with a history of filing frivolous complaints.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
130. See response #3
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:01 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251765825
And the dialogue following it.
glad to see a Hill supporter that both got out in front to decry it, and one who seems to be rooting for it.
Strange bedfellows, 3rd wayers and the teahadists.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
42. It's Andy Martin. Found it in a CNN story. Still not
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:49 PM
Nov 2015

mentioned in the AP article linked above.

Martin is the Republican yutz who insisted Obama was a Muslim.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
5. And here we thought
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)

it was Repugs that tired to restrict voting!


Edit to say that I was wrong initially. It WAS a Repug that made a stink about this.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
67. See 42 It was a Republican that complained.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015

The Democratic pray of New Hampshire has been supportive of Sanders.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
93. But, but .. I thought the ReThugs WANTED to run against Bernie, not Hillary
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

there goes that argument.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
105. It appears this has nothing to do with what the Republican Party wants.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:33 PM
Nov 2015
The omplaint, filed by Andrew Martin, includes information from Vermont's 2012 statewide candidate information publication in which Sanders describes himself as "the longest serving Independent in U.S. congressional history."

Martin has a history of filing lawsuits, including a suit against the state of Hawaii seeking a copy of President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate. He has been banned from filing lawsuits in several jurisdictions without first seeking permission of the court.

The guy is a loon.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. Hmm, I wonder who filed that challenge?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:01 PM
Nov 2015

Actually I can't believe the Clinton campaign would be dumb enough to challenge Sanders eligibility, because if it ever came out, she's toast.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
9. I'm pretty sure that challenging requires legal-standing.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:09 PM
Nov 2015

So it would have to be someone from New Hampshire registered as a Democrat...but it could be presumably literally anybody living in New Hampshire registered as a Democrat.

I doubt any candidate campaign is that stupid...but I can easily see some totally-unconnected from the campaign supporter of a candidate running against Sanders going off and filing a challenge on their own....even as their effort is denounced sincerely by the candidate they support.

Edit: According to Fawke Em, I'm wrong. A Republican candidate would also have standing and it appears it was some RWNJ nobody has ever heard of.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
89. You know, Barry Goldwater had a corps of teen aged sleeper agents.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

But I thought they were all deactivated by the mid 70s. Do you suppose, just maybe...

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
7. I do not support challenging Senator Sanders'
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:02 PM
Nov 2015

eligibility in the NH primary. Let's win fair and square or not at all.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. Thank you
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:22 PM
Nov 2015

The question being raised here is not whether you any other of Mrs. Clinton's supporters on DU are responsible for such a challenge, that's obviously ridiculous, but whether Mrs. Clinton knows anything about it, is either encouraging it or approved of her campaign's support for it as long as her fingerprints aren't on it.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
61. I don't support that either.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:10 PM
Nov 2015

He may need to go to court.

In my state, the Greens had to go to court to appear on the ballot. That was several years ago. They had not checked carefully enough to see what they needed to do to be eligible. Ultimately, they appeared on the ballot.

Bernie's people need to get busy.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
62. Thank you.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:11 PM
Nov 2015

I support Sanders, but will vote for whoever is the nominee in the GE. We're better than the Republicans and what I love about Democrats in general is our sense of fair play.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
8. The challenger is some birther nut.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:08 PM
Nov 2015
A conservative activist best known for questioning President Barack Obama's religion is challenging Bernie Sanders qualifications for the Democratic ballot in New Hampshire.

Andy Martin, who has filed himself as a Republican presidential candidate in New Hampshire, argued in a complaint to the New Hampshire secretary of state's office that Sanders had no standing to run in the Democratic primary.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/andy-martin-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/index.html

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
88. where did you hear it
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:57 PM
Nov 2015

Please note the authoritative source from whom you heard this.
I heard just last night on TV that someone running for President is going to hire thousands of immigration police and deport millions of people....I heard it but it doesn't mean shit because it came from an idiot.
I was not questioning whether you heard someone say that; I was wondering why you would repeat something that is quite ridiculous and without any foundation.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. More accurately, "how do you know what I've allegedly heard..."
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

More accurately, "how do you know what I've allegedly heard..."

LoveIsNow

(356 posts)
86. Not when you compare their favorables
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015

with independents, and even Republicans. Bernie has the potential to build a lot more bridges.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
96. I've heard a lot too. The irrational part of me wants to believe everything I hear
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

I've heard a lot too. The irrational part of me wants to believe everything I hear that validate my biases. The rational part of me asks for objective sources.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
17. I remember him from 2008
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Martin
"The Anthony R. Martin-Trigona Congressional Campaign to Exterminate Jew Power in America."


He's a bigot and wackjob

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
72. Why would Andy Martin have any standing in the complaint?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

He's a registered Republican. He's not on the Democratic Party ticket. He's even filed to be on the Republican Party ballot.

Hand him a Homer Simpson Doh! nut.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
94. He's a presidential candidate in NH. As such,
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:09 PM
Nov 2015

I'd think he would have standing to challenge any other candidate on the rules no matter what their party affiliation. That said, he's a RW nut job probably out for his second chance at fifteen minutes of fame.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
10. I don't think this is dirty politics. It's a legit question:
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:10 PM
Nov 2015

Why should a long-term and loud independent suddenly be on the Dem ballot?

I'm not asking the question and I like Sanders. But still...

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
16. The Sanders campaign says it is confident he meets the requirements. He caucuses with the Democrats
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:17 PM
Nov 2015

The Sanders campaign says it is confident he meets the requirements. He caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate and has the backing of the New Hampshire Democratic Party to run in the primary.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
15. Considering past events, yes.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

I mean, I don't remember which state (Oklahoma, I think) it was or if it was 2008 or 2012, but some state's Democratic party was compelled to put Randall Terry on their primary ballot after he registered as a Democrat and met all the requirements under state law to run as a Democrat.

That is what Sanders has done...they laid out a requirement and he met it. I expect this to be tossed with due haste...but procedure and law at-minimum requires some sort of process following the filing of the challenge, even if it's a pro-forma hearing.

red dog 1

(27,804 posts)
51. "I'm not asking the question and i like Sanders."??
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

But you DID ask the question!

From your post:
"Why should a long-term and loud independent suddenly be on the Dem ballot?"

The fact that you referred to him as "loud" makes me wonder if you actually do like him.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
56. No I did not.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

What the hell.

The fact that you referred to him as "loud" makes me wonder if you actually do like him.

Implying I'm a liar? Nice.

red dog 1

(27,804 posts)
66. I'm not implying anything, but you did use the word "loud" to describe Bernie,
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

Did you or did you not say:
"I'm not asking the question and I like Sanders. But still."

"Why should a long-term and loud independent suddenly be on the Dem ballot?"

Isn't that a question?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. Intentionally confusing "imply" and "infer" is irrational.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:23 PM
Nov 2015

Intentionally confusing "imply" and "infer" is irrational.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
109. Repeating your title in the message text is irrational.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:54 PM
Nov 2015

Repeating your title in the message text is irrational.

I meant imply.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
78. ..
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:34 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.vtdemocrats.org/contact

As of October 2015, Vermont's congressman was Democratic and the state's two U.S. senators were Democratic and Independent. Democrats had a majority in the Vermont General Assembly and occupied five of the six statewide elected offices.
http://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_Party_of_Vermont


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
110. "Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?"
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?

No. There is no party registration in Vermont.

All registered voters can vote in the primary election—but can only vote on one ballot. You will be given a ballot for each of the major parties. You mark one of the ballots and put the remaining unvoted ballots into a discard bin. Which ballot you chose to vote is private and not recorded (except during the presidential primary, where voters must publicly take one ballot or the other, and their choice is recorded on the entrance checklist)


https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
119. So....they are ACCEPTED as Democrats because
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:58 PM
Nov 2015

That is how they present themselves.....and no other way
....can Sanders say that at all? Has he EVER before now claimed to BE a Democrat? NO! Quite the opposite...he publicly said he would be a hypocrite to do so.....whoops!

Evidence is pretty conclusive that he only claimed to be a Democrat to get on the New Hampshire ticket......

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
122. I'm amazed you can't see how repugnant that kind of reasoning is to the reality based community...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:10 PM
Nov 2015

It smacks of every pretzel-logic trick and rejection of reason that we in the reality based community despises when the right wing trots it out.

In this case the truth is simple.
1) He is from a state that doesn't register people by party.
2) By philosophy and history he is aligned on the left side (the socialist side) of the Democratic Party's ideological spectrum.
3) He has clearly labeled himself according to his ideology.
4) He has been a stalwart member of the Democratic party caucus in the US Congress.
5) Finding some shortcoming in that set of facts is an exercise not related to valid reasoning.

Because it is most often found as a product of climate denying, Social-Security-collecting-haters-of-government-social-programs type of people, I personally find such invalid reasoning repugnant.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
125. I am giving the reality....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:38 PM
Nov 2015

This is EXACTLY what i have been going on about for weeks,and weeks!! No one believed me when I said Bernie was going to HAVE to declare himself a Democrat, verbslly and in public....or his campaign was over precisely BECAUSE...5 states REQUIRE you to BE a Democrat to be on their state ballots.....his supporters,denied it by trying to claim he was already a Democrat.....and I proved over and over again how he was NOT a Democrat...

What happened....LOW and BEHOLD.....Bernie goes on TV and says "i am a Democrat NOW" after signing the ballot.

Do you know what else I predicted? And Ooooooh how they did laugh when I said......a Republican would challenge.....oh they said "that would NEVER happen!"

Guess what happened?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
126. No you aren't. You are trying to drive people away unless they support Hillary
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:53 PM
Nov 2015

And you've lost your ethical compass in your zeal to to accomplish your task.

All communications have 3 basic elements - the sender, the message, and the receiver. You might want to consider the manner in which your efforts are being perceived. If your goal is persuasion, you are consistently failing. If it it to drive "the enemy" away, then I'd guess you are being extremely successful.

Since it is inconceivable that you don't already know everything I just wrote, I return your reading attention to the 'reply title' above.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
131. Ask around......been saying this for weeks
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:06 PM
Nov 2015

Believe me....I HAVE.....and stood my ground on it over and over....and thats called giving them reality whether they like it or not.....I sm a realist not an idealist.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #10)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
108. TROLL???!!! Isn't it the trick of Avid Sanders Supporters to hit ALERT when someone says the t-word?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:52 PM
Nov 2015

Take off.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
100. Well, that's going to leave a deep scar in his biases...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:24 PM
Nov 2015

Well, that's going to leave a deep scar in his biases...

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. so perhaps the rw loons are afraid of bernie after all
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:19 PM
Nov 2015

i read upthread that it was some rw birther wacko. if they are so confident in trump/carson/rubio/etc, why pull something like this?

still_one

(92,193 posts)
19. I know this will disappoint some because they will have nothing to bitch about, but he will be on
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:20 PM
Nov 2015

the ballot. This is just media hyperbole and bullshit to create drama

When you have the NH head of the Democratic party saying he is a Democrat, they will not have a valid reason to deny him


 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
36. BERNIE HAD to say he was a Democrat.....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

even though in the past he said that would make him a hypocrite..

still_one

(92,193 posts)
52. If you want to try to piss off Sander's supporters, that is your problem. If Hillary wins the
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

nomination she will need every vote she can get, and that includes votes from Sander's supporters

still_one

(92,193 posts)
83. I don't know what you are referring to. This is the typical political primary sniping that goes on
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:40 PM
Nov 2015

here at DU around this time.

Once the nominee is chosen, we will unite against the republicans in the General Election

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
87. Yes you do....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015

you are suggesting that we better "be nice to Sanders supporters" are they SO Civil to Clinton Supporters?

No they aren't....STILL they talk smack. So no...they will just have to put up with it. They can just vote Against Republicans...not for her.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
102. It's sincerity when candidate A does it, merely triangulation should candidate B do it.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:27 PM
Nov 2015

It's righteous and sincere when candidate A does, merely triangulation should candidate B do something similar. You've been on DU long enough know that during primary season, supporters of candidate A will always hold candidate B to a much higher standard.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
103. It has nothing to do with that....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

its the way it is....

kinda like the fact that Campaign Finance Reform and Citizens United isn't yet overturned...

red dog 1

(27,804 posts)
21. K&R...Thanks for posting, Omaha Steve
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

Nice to see that Bernie declared himself a Democrat (while filing to run in NH last week)

Being a "democratic socialist" is fine for running for the U.S. Senate, especially in Vermont, however, IMO, he needs to formally become a Democrat since he's now running for POTUS.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
23. Aparently only incumbents are allowed?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:32 PM
Nov 2015
The complaint, filed Thursday, claims Sanders is ineligible because he has never been elected as a Democrat.


I mean, this bizarre complaint would seem to cover every first time candidate who has never been elected to public office, not just former independents.






 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
30. He had to CLAIM he was a Democrat!
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:39 PM
Nov 2015

he has said in the past ON Camera...that he would be a hypocrite to call himself one...

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
37. Should first time candidates be barred from running or not?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

This complaint suggests that they all be barred, if the quote is anywhere near accurate.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
59. The stated objection was this.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015
ineligible because he has never been elected as a Democrat


Now, maybe the article got that wrong, but you are replying to my post, which involves a rather specific quote from the OP, whether that quote is correct or not.



 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
68. And neither has any first time candidate.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:21 PM
Nov 2015

It seems like a very broad complaint, and one that would disallow 99% of the American public as well, since most of us, Democrats or not, have never been elected to any public office as a member of any political party.







 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
74. but a first time candidate CAN be register as a Democrat...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

he couldn't...and a first time Democrat...has never run AGAINST Democrats....

Nor has a first time Democrat said "I am NOT a Democrat...even after running on the Democratic Primary"?

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
80. A first time candidate would be barred under this complaint.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

Assuming that the complaint is as advertised in the article, of course.

It doesn't matter how he or she is registered. Does the complaint even address party registration? I see no evidence of that in the OP.

Remember, this complaint was written by a Birther.

We aren't talking about then law here. We're talking about a complaint by a Birther.



 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
113. You are wrong, at least as to Vermont residents.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

As kristopher stated in #110, a resident of Vermont CANNOT register as a Democrat. There is no party registration in Vermont.

Therefore, the argument made by stone space is correct.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
114. No...is there a famous Democrat from Vermont
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:14 PM
Nov 2015

Right now? Can you figure out who?

How did he become a Democrat? And no....there is no Registration...

Like I said....you are messing with the wrong one here....I was the one everyone laughed at when I said this exact scenario would happen....I even predicted that Sanders would have to say "I am a Democrat now"...I also predicted that a Republican would challenge.. ..NO ONE believed me....now here I am....right as rain yet again...

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
115. Yet more deflection from you.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:32 PM
Nov 2015

The point made by stone space related to a first-time candidate.

So, can I figure out a famous Vermonter who was a first-time candidate and who sought to enter the Democratic primary in New Hampshire? Sorry, no, I can't. Pray enlighten me.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
116. You might be interested to know
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:35 PM
Nov 2015
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Democratic_Party

Infact if you had of said Senator Leahy Democrat...or Howard Dean....you would have won the prize..

Yes there are actual Democrats in Vermont....

The Democrats in Vermont need to update their Wiki....but it proves my point....even the Democrats in. Vermont did not recognize him as a Democrat prior to signing in New Hampshire.....this will likely be used as evidence.and maybe why it hasn't been changed yet...So in conclusion.....he was not a Democrat UNTIL he swore he was on that ballot....leaving himself wide open for this challenge.....but he had no other choice...
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
135. You were eager to attack Sanders so you didn't pay enough attention to the posts you were answering.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:52 AM
Nov 2015

The clue is in the phrase that I helpfully boldfaced in #115: "a first-time candidate".

Here's how this sub-thread developed:
* Per the OP, the filed complaint "claims Sanders is ineligible because he has never been elected as a Democrat."
* In #23, stone space commented that "this bizarre complaint would seem to cover every first time candidate who has never been elected to public office, not just former independents."
* You got hung up on Sanders's status (#35, #64).
* In #68, stone space patiently explained that s/he was talking about the situation of a first-time candidate who had "never been elected to any public office as a member of any political party."
* In #74, you disagreed, saying that stone space's hypothetical first-time candidate could register as a Democrat.
Your #74 met with two responses:
* In #80, stone space argued that, even if a first-time candidate did register as a member of that party, the implication of the OP's report of this particular complaint was that a Presidential candidate would be barred from the primary ballot unless s/he had previously won a lesser office as a member of that party.
* In #113, I pointed out that some first-time candidates wouldn't be able to escape the problem even if registration were a solution, because some states don't have partisan registration. Therefore, you were wrong, at least as to Vermont residents, because they could not register as Democrats. One of these first-time candidates would have neither of these credentials (party registration or past electoral success as a member of that party). Neither Dean nor Leahy would have to worry about it; neither of them is in the situation of a first-time candidate, the person who was the subject of stone space's #23.

Who would be in that situation? Suppose, for example, that Colin Powell moved to Vermont, registered to vote, and then announced his run for the Presidency. I agree with stone space about the implication of this complaint against Sanders. If the complainant's position were correct, then Powell wouldn't be eligible for any party's primary. That's a good reductio ad absurdum of the complaint against Sanders.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. A quick review of the person who filed the challenge, with whom you are lining up....
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

Andy Martin gained some fame during the Obama's first White House run for his claim that Obama was a Muslim. The New York Times reported in 2008 that Martin spread the rumor in a 2004 press release "Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/andy-martin-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/index.html

He's also openly antisemitic. So Rut Roh! The guy you agree with is a bigoted, racist nut job and a Republican candidate for office.!!!!

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
39. This is pure Bull Shit and
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:49 PM
Nov 2015

My first thought and a good guess is this is Bill Clinton's handy work.its his "dirty" political style It also shows the Hillary campaign is worried and nervous.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
70. Where did you get the Bull that is so cool but dont
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:26 PM
Nov 2015

Tell me because that is sorta like a trade mark funny!!!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
58. its actually on the books in at least 5 states....and explains WHY
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders suddenly said "I am a Democrat NOW".....because it was life or death for his campaign.

I have been pointing out this problem for Sanders for months now....no one listened.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
60. Wow, you are still endorsing this guy's work? One of the original Birthers, Martin is literally
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:09 PM
Nov 2015

banned from filing law suits in several States due to abuse of the system. He's a notoriously antisemitic, so of course he goes after Bernie, but most famous for claiming Obama is a Muslim and filing lots of suits and motions about it.
You need to check out the man you are standing with, you are claiming you saw the problem this birther bigot 'sees'.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
104. After reviewing for accuracy, I may tend to avoid your first thoughts and best guesses in the future
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:29 PM
Nov 2015

After reviewing for accuracy, I may tend to avoid your first thoughts and best guesses in the future... it also may show you are "worried and nervous."

thucythucy

(8,055 posts)
53. Whoever filed this complaint needs to get out of the way.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

Whatever his past affiliation or lack thereof, Senator Sanders has declared himself a Democrat, is courting Democratic voters, and is helping to build enthusiasm for the Democratic Party nationwide. If he loses the primaries fair and square, so be it. But for his candidacy to be "disqualified" because of some bogus nitpicking idiocy will detract from the legitimacy of whoever will be the eventual nominee.

Let's hope the New Hampshire party quashes this absurd pettifogging, and fast.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
65. Much ado about nothing.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:14 PM
Nov 2015

This complaint was filed by a malcontent with a history of such nonsense. It will go nowhere.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/63e2c64e1adc45d99b383ba58fd27e69/sanders-faces-challenge-new-hampshire-ballot-eligibility

The complaint, filed by Andrew Martin, includes information from Vermont's 2012 statewide candidate information publication in which Sanders describes himself as "the longest serving Independent in U.S. congressional history."

Martin has a history of filing lawsuits, including a suit against the state of Hawaii seeking a copy of President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate. He has been banned from filing lawsuits in several jurisdictions without first seeking permission of the court

livetohike

(22,144 posts)
71. He has to declare as a "registered member" of the Democratic party. Is he? Do the rules not apply to
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:26 PM
Nov 2015

him? What is the stubbornness to register as a Democrat?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
85. Vermont does not require registration in order to vote. Up
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:48 PM
Nov 2015

until this year Bernie was not planning to run for the presidency. He is registering to run as a Democrat in the NH primary

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
79. They are going to pull out all the stops to make sure Bernie doesn't get elected.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

They know he would be the beginning of the end of their greedy, world-destroying, people-destroying games.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
121. They in this case being Andy Martin. An unhinged birther
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:07 PM
Nov 2015

Considering the Democratic party supports having Sanders on the ballot, I seriously doubt it goes beyond Mr. Birther here.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
106. Bogus "challenge"
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:35 PM
Nov 2015

The Dem party organizations support Sanders filing

and

the person who filed the "challenge" is a perrenial gadfly, candidate, and nut. Andrew Martin has been forbidden to file complaints in some states without permission from the court. He was behind some of the "foriegn muslim" shit that was started on Obama/ He has run for various offices (including president) in Dem and Republican primaries. He :is" a candidate for the current Republican primary for pres. (gee, I wonder why he didn't even sit at the kid's table in the debates.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Martin

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%27Birther_King%27_announces_2016_campaign_for_U.S._president

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
107. Love the circular firing squad here, guys.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015

At least the reveal of who was actually behind it didn't take long. But still, if you paint your opponent as evil, you'll believe she's like Sauron and behind everything that happens that puts your candidate in a bad spot.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
112. You know every avenue
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

by both the republiCONs and his primary challenger are being explored to try to find something, anything that will slow him down.

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