Sanders faces challenge to New Hampshire ballot eligibility
Source: AP
By KATHLEEN RONAYNE
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is facing a challenge to his eligibility for the Democratic primary ballot in New Hampshire because of his longtime status as an independent.
The state's five-member Ballot Law Commission, which rules on questions of eligibility, will take up the challenge Nov. 24.
The state's filing paperwork requires a candidate to declare as a registered member of whichever party he or she is running in. The complaint, filed Thursday, claims Sanders is ineligible because he has never been elected as a Democrat. Sanders declared himself a Democrat while filing to run last week.
The Sanders campaign says it is confident he meets the requirements. He caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate and has the backing of the New Hampshire Democratic Party to run in the primary.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/63e2c64e1adc45d99b383ba58fd27e69/sanders-faces-challenge-new-hampshire-ballot-eligibility
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's not like one candidate didn't quite file the paperwork to remove her name from MI and FL's ballot in 2008, as required by the DNC when those states moved up their primary without permission.
So odd that such an experienced politician couldn't do that when a "newcomer" like Obama managed to do so.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Response to lewebley3 (Reply #24)
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drm604
(16,230 posts)He's filed all of the paperwork correctly. What didn't he check?
stone space
(6,498 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)all question would be/would have been moot; but for, a refusal to register as a Democrat with the DNC. It would have taken all of the time it took to sign on a single dotted line.
But because the filing papers contain an affirmation, on penalty of perjury, that one is a member of the party for which one is seeking the nomination. So I have no doubt he will prevail ... especially since, neither the DNC, nor the N.H.D.P. are making any noise.
drm604
(16,230 posts)This complaint was filed by a single malcontent with a history of filing frivolous complaints.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)I should know, I voted for him.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)And the dialogue following it.
glad to see a Hill supporter that both got out in front to decry it, and one who seems to be rooting for it.
Strange bedfellows, 3rd wayers and the teahadists.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)mentioned in the AP article linked above.
Martin is the Republican yutz who insisted Obama was a Muslim.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And more of the crap continues.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)
it was Repugs that tired to restrict voting!
Edit to say that I was wrong initially. It WAS a Repug that made a stink about this.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)The Democratic pray of New Hampshire has been supportive of Sanders.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)for the heads up!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)there goes that argument.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)The omplaint, filed by Andrew Martin, includes information from Vermont's 2012 statewide candidate information publication in which Sanders describes himself as "the longest serving Independent in U.S. congressional history."
Martin has a history of filing lawsuits, including a suit against the state of Hawaii seeking a copy of President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate. He has been banned from filing lawsuits in several jurisdictions without first seeking permission of the court.
The guy is a loon.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Actually I can't believe the Clinton campaign would be dumb enough to challenge Sanders eligibility, because if it ever came out, she's toast.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)So it would have to be someone from New Hampshire registered as a Democrat...but it could be presumably literally anybody living in New Hampshire registered as a Democrat.
I doubt any candidate campaign is that stupid...but I can easily see some totally-unconnected from the campaign supporter of a candidate running against Sanders going off and filing a challenge on their own....even as their effort is denounced sincerely by the candidate they support.
Edit: According to Fawke Em, I'm wrong. A Republican candidate would also have standing and it appears it was some RWNJ nobody has ever heard of.
zomgitsjesus
(40 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,003 posts)But I thought they were all deactivated by the mid 70s. Do you suppose, just maybe...
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)eligibility in the NH primary. Let's win fair and square or not at all.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)The question being raised here is not whether you any other of Mrs. Clinton's supporters on DU are responsible for such a challenge, that's obviously ridiculous, but whether Mrs. Clinton knows anything about it, is either encouraging it or approved of her campaign's support for it as long as her fingerprints aren't on it.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)He may need to go to court.
In my state, the Greens had to go to court to appear on the ballot. That was several years ago. They had not checked carefully enough to see what they needed to do to be eligible. Ultimately, they appeared on the ballot.
Bernie's people need to get busy.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)I support Sanders, but will vote for whoever is the nominee in the GE. We're better than the Republicans and what I love about Democrats in general is our sense of fair play.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Andy Martin, who has filed himself as a Republican presidential candidate in New Hampshire, argued in a complaint to the New Hampshire secretary of state's office that Sanders had no standing to run in the Democratic primary.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/andy-martin-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/index.html
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)That is absurd, you can't say that seriously.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Please note the authoritative source from whom you heard this.
I heard just last night on TV that someone running for President is going to hire thousands of immigration police and deport millions of people....I heard it but it doesn't mean shit because it came from an idiot.
I was not questioning whether you heard someone say that; I was wondering why you would repeat something that is quite ridiculous and without any foundation.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)More accurately, "how do you know what I've allegedly heard..."
LoveIsNow
(356 posts)with independents, and even Republicans. Bernie has the potential to build a lot more bridges.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I've heard a lot too. The irrational part of me wants to believe everything I hear that validate my biases. The rational part of me asks for objective sources.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)"The Anthony R. Martin-Trigona Congressional Campaign to Exterminate Jew Power in America."
He's a bigot and wackjob
red dog 1
(27,804 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)He's a registered Republican. He's not on the Democratic Party ticket. He's even filed to be on the Republican Party ballot.
Hand him a Homer Simpson Doh! nut.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)I'd think he would have standing to challenge any other candidate on the rules no matter what their party affiliation. That said, he's a RW nut job probably out for his second chance at fifteen minutes of fame.
33taw
(2,443 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Why should a long-term and loud independent suddenly be on the Dem ballot?
I'm not asking the question and I like Sanders. But still...
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Next!
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)The Sanders campaign says it is confident he meets the requirements. He caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate and has the backing of the New Hampshire Democratic Party to run in the primary.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)But, this is DU afterall...
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I mean, I don't remember which state (Oklahoma, I think) it was or if it was 2008 or 2012, but some state's Democratic party was compelled to put Randall Terry on their primary ballot after he registered as a Democrat and met all the requirements under state law to run as a Democrat.
That is what Sanders has done...they laid out a requirement and he met it. I expect this to be tossed with due haste...but procedure and law at-minimum requires some sort of process following the filing of the challenge, even if it's a pro-forma hearing.
red dog 1
(27,804 posts)But you DID ask the question!
From your post:
"Why should a long-term and loud independent suddenly be on the Dem ballot?"
The fact that you referred to him as "loud" makes me wonder if you actually do like him.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)What the hell.
Implying I'm a liar? Nice.
red dog 1
(27,804 posts)Did you or did you not say:
"I'm not asking the question and I like Sanders. But still."
"Why should a long-term and loud independent suddenly be on the Dem ballot?"
Isn't that a question?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Intentionally confusing "imply" and "infer" is irrational.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Repeating your title in the message text is irrational.
I meant imply.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)This was all settled with Howard Dean.
http://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_Party_of_Vermont
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?
No. There is no party registration in Vermont.
All registered voters can vote in the primary electionbut can only vote on one ballot. You will be given a ballot for each of the major parties. You mark one of the ballots and put the remaining unvoted ballots into a discard bin. Which ballot you chose to vote is private and not recorded (except during the presidential primary, where voters must publicly take one ballot or the other, and their choice is recorded on the entrance checklist)
https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Patrick Leahy and Howard Dean...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Democratic_Party
kristopher
(29,798 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)That is how they present themselves.....and no other way
....can Sanders say that at all? Has he EVER before now claimed to BE a Democrat? NO! Quite the opposite...he publicly said he would be a hypocrite to do so.....whoops!
Evidence is pretty conclusive that he only claimed to be a Democrat to get on the New Hampshire ticket......
kristopher
(29,798 posts)It smacks of every pretzel-logic trick and rejection of reason that we in the reality based community despises when the right wing trots it out.
In this case the truth is simple.
1) He is from a state that doesn't register people by party.
2) By philosophy and history he is aligned on the left side (the socialist side) of the Democratic Party's ideological spectrum.
3) He has clearly labeled himself according to his ideology.
4) He has been a stalwart member of the Democratic party caucus in the US Congress.
5) Finding some shortcoming in that set of facts is an exercise not related to valid reasoning.
Because it is most often found as a product of climate denying, Social-Security-collecting-haters-of-government-social-programs type of people, I personally find such invalid reasoning repugnant.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)This is EXACTLY what i have been going on about for weeks,and weeks!! No one believed me when I said Bernie was going to HAVE to declare himself a Democrat, verbslly and in public....or his campaign was over precisely BECAUSE...5 states REQUIRE you to BE a Democrat to be on their state ballots.....his supporters,denied it by trying to claim he was already a Democrat.....and I proved over and over again how he was NOT a Democrat...
What happened....LOW and BEHOLD.....Bernie goes on TV and says "i am a Democrat NOW" after signing the ballot.
Do you know what else I predicted? And Ooooooh how they did laugh when I said......a Republican would challenge.....oh they said "that would NEVER happen!"
Guess what happened?
kristopher
(29,798 posts)And you've lost your ethical compass in your zeal to to accomplish your task.
All communications have 3 basic elements - the sender, the message, and the receiver. You might want to consider the manner in which your efforts are being perceived. If your goal is persuasion, you are consistently failing. If it it to drive "the enemy" away, then I'd guess you are being extremely successful.
Since it is inconceivable that you don't already know everything I just wrote, I return your reading attention to the 'reply title' above.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Believe me....I HAVE.....and stood my ground on it over and over....and thats called giving them reality whether they like it or not.....I sm a realist not an idealist.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)..but probably not.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)There is that...
Truth is truth...reality is reality...
Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #10)
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Take off.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I am a Democrat NOW"
Meaning....I was not one prior to this moment...
Scuba
(53,475 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Well, that's going to leave a deep scar in his biases...
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)So nice you had to say it twice?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)It's just his style, nothing more.
LuvLoogie
(7,003 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)But nice shot at the Clinton camp.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i read upthread that it was some rw birther wacko. if they are so confident in trump/carson/rubio/etc, why pull something like this?
still_one
(92,193 posts)the ballot. This is just media hyperbole and bullshit to create drama
When you have the NH head of the Democratic party saying he is a Democrat, they will not have a valid reason to deny him
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)even though in the past he said that would make him a hypocrite..
still_one
(92,193 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)still_one
(92,193 posts)nomination she will need every vote she can get, and that includes votes from Sander's supporters
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)like the extreme right holds the Republican party?
still_one
(92,193 posts)here at DU around this time.
Once the nominee is chosen, we will unite against the republicans in the General Election
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)you are suggesting that we better "be nice to Sanders supporters" are they SO Civil to Clinton Supporters?
No they aren't....STILL they talk smack. So no...they will just have to put up with it. They can just vote Against Republicans...not for her.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's righteous and sincere when candidate A does, merely triangulation should candidate B do something similar. You've been on DU long enough know that during primary season, supporters of candidate A will always hold candidate B to a much higher standard.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)its the way it is....
kinda like the fact that Campaign Finance Reform and Citizens United isn't yet overturned...
red dog 1
(27,804 posts)Nice to see that Bernie declared himself a Democrat (while filing to run in NH last week)
Being a "democratic socialist" is fine for running for the U.S. Senate, especially in Vermont, however, IMO, he needs to formally become a Democrat since he's now running for POTUS.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I mean, this bizarre complaint would seem to cover every first time candidate who has never been elected to public office, not just former independents.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he has said in the past ON Camera...that he would be a hypocrite to call himself one...
stone space
(6,498 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)not ever...in fact he has run against Democrats...
stone space
(6,498 posts)This complaint suggests that they all be barred, if the quote is anywhere near accurate.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Now, maybe the article got that wrong, but you are replying to my post, which involves a rather specific quote from the OP, whether that quote is correct or not.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)It seems like a very broad complaint, and one that would disallow 99% of the American public as well, since most of us, Democrats or not, have never been elected to any public office as a member of any political party.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he couldn't...and a first time Democrat...has never run AGAINST Democrats....
Nor has a first time Democrat said "I am NOT a Democrat...even after running on the Democratic Primary"?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Assuming that the complaint is as advertised in the article, of course.
It doesn't matter how he or she is registered. Does the complaint even address party registration? I see no evidence of that in the OP.
Remember, this complaint was written by a Birther.
We aren't talking about then law here. We're talking about a complaint by a Birther.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)As kristopher stated in #110, a resident of Vermont CANNOT register as a Democrat. There is no party registration in Vermont.
Therefore, the argument made by stone space is correct.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Right now? Can you figure out who?
How did he become a Democrat? And no....there is no Registration...
Like I said....you are messing with the wrong one here....I was the one everyone laughed at when I said this exact scenario would happen....I even predicted that Sanders would have to say "I am a Democrat now"...I also predicted that a Republican would challenge.. ..NO ONE believed me....now here I am....right as rain yet again...
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The point made by stone space related to a first-time candidate.
So, can I figure out a famous Vermonter who was a first-time candidate and who sought to enter the Democratic primary in New Hampshire? Sorry, no, I can't. Pray enlighten me.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Infact if you had of said Senator Leahy Democrat...or Howard Dean....you would have won the prize..
Yes there are actual Democrats in Vermont....
The Democrats in Vermont need to update their Wiki....but it proves my point....even the Democrats in. Vermont did not recognize him as a Democrat prior to signing in New Hampshire.....this will likely be used as evidence.and maybe why it hasn't been changed yet...So in conclusion.....he was not a Democrat UNTIL he swore he was on that ballot....leaving himself wide open for this challenge.....but he had no other choice...
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)How so? Please elaborate.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The clue is in the phrase that I helpfully boldfaced in #115: "a first-time candidate".
Here's how this sub-thread developed:
* Per the OP, the filed complaint "claims Sanders is ineligible because he has never been elected as a Democrat."
* In #23, stone space commented that "this bizarre complaint would seem to cover every first time candidate who has never been elected to public office, not just former independents."
* You got hung up on Sanders's status (#35, #64).
* In #68, stone space patiently explained that s/he was talking about the situation of a first-time candidate who had "never been elected to any public office as a member of any political party."
* In #74, you disagreed, saying that stone space's hypothetical first-time candidate could register as a Democrat.
Your #74 met with two responses:
* In #80, stone space argued that, even if a first-time candidate did register as a member of that party, the implication of the OP's report of this particular complaint was that a Presidential candidate would be barred from the primary ballot unless s/he had previously won a lesser office as a member of that party.
* In #113, I pointed out that some first-time candidates wouldn't be able to escape the problem even if registration were a solution, because some states don't have partisan registration. Therefore, you were wrong, at least as to Vermont residents, because they could not register as Democrats. One of these first-time candidates would have neither of these credentials (party registration or past electoral success as a member of that party). Neither Dean nor Leahy would have to worry about it; neither of them is in the situation of a first-time candidate, the person who was the subject of stone space's #23.
Who would be in that situation? Suppose, for example, that Colin Powell moved to Vermont, registered to vote, and then announced his run for the Presidency. I agree with stone space about the implication of this complaint against Sanders. If the complainant's position were correct, then Powell wouldn't be eligible for any party's primary. That's a good reductio ad absurdum of the complaint against Sanders.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I told Y'ALL!!!!
and I was excoriated for saying the obvious!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Andy Martin gained some fame during the Obama's first White House run for his claim that Obama was a Muslim. The New York Times reported in 2008 that Martin spread the rumor in a 2004 press release "Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/andy-martin-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/index.html
He's also openly antisemitic. So Rut Roh! The guy you agree with is a bigoted, racist nut job and a Republican candidate for office.!!!!
INdemo
(6,994 posts)My first thought and a good guess is this is Bill Clinton's handy work.its his "dirty" political style It also shows the Hillary campaign is worried and nervous.
Enthusiast
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INdemo
(6,994 posts)Tell me because that is sorta like a trade mark funny!!!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)See upthread.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Sanders suddenly said "I am a Democrat NOW".....because it was life or death for his campaign.
I have been pointing out this problem for Sanders for months now....no one listened.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)banned from filing law suits in several States due to abuse of the system. He's a notoriously antisemitic, so of course he goes after Bernie, but most famous for claiming Obama is a Muslim and filing lots of suits and motions about it.
You need to check out the man you are standing with, you are claiming you saw the problem this birther bigot 'sees'.
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)After reviewing for accuracy, I may tend to avoid your first thoughts and best guesses in the future... it also may show you are "worried and nervous."
thucythucy
(8,055 posts)Whatever his past affiliation or lack thereof, Senator Sanders has declared himself a Democrat, is courting Democratic voters, and is helping to build enthusiasm for the Democratic Party nationwide. If he loses the primaries fair and square, so be it. But for his candidacy to be "disqualified" because of some bogus nitpicking idiocy will detract from the legitimacy of whoever will be the eventual nominee.
Let's hope the New Hampshire party quashes this absurd pettifogging, and fast.
drm604
(16,230 posts)This complaint was filed by a malcontent with a history of such nonsense. It will go nowhere.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/63e2c64e1adc45d99b383ba58fd27e69/sanders-faces-challenge-new-hampshire-ballot-eligibility
Martin has a history of filing lawsuits, including a suit against the state of Hawaii seeking a copy of President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate. He has been banned from filing lawsuits in several jurisdictions without first seeking permission of the court
livetohike
(22,144 posts)him? What is the stubbornness to register as a Democrat?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)until this year Bernie was not planning to run for the presidency. He is registering to run as a Democrat in the NH primary
livetohike
(22,144 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)They know he would be the beginning of the end of their greedy, world-destroying, people-destroying games.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Considering the Democratic party supports having Sanders on the ballot, I seriously doubt it goes beyond Mr. Birther here.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)To cool down the Bern.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So I guess she's good.
demwing
(16,916 posts)not by whether they've got stars upon thars
ashling
(25,771 posts)The Dem party organizations support Sanders filing
and
the person who filed the "challenge" is a perrenial gadfly, candidate, and nut. Andrew Martin has been forbidden to file complaints in some states without permission from the court. He was behind some of the "foriegn muslim" shit that was started on Obama/ He has run for various offices (including president) in Dem and Republican primaries. He :is" a candidate for the current Republican primary for pres. (gee, I wonder why he didn't even sit at the kid's table in the debates.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Martin
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%27Birther_King%27_announces_2016_campaign_for_U.S._president
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)At least the reveal of who was actually behind it didn't take long. But still, if you paint your opponent as evil, you'll believe she's like Sauron and behind everything that happens that puts your candidate in a bad spot.
madokie
(51,076 posts)by both the republiCONs and his primary challenger are being explored to try to find something, anything that will slow him down.