U.S. to Protect African Lions Under Endangered Species Act
Source: New York Times
U.S. to Protect African Lions Under Endangered Species Act
By ERICA GOODE
DEC. 20, 2015
Five months after a lion named Cecil was shot and killed in Zimbabwe by a Minnesota dentist, the Obama administration has decided to place lions in Africa under the protection of the Endangered Species Act, an action that will set a higher bar for hunters who want to bring lion trophies into the United States.
Lions in central and West Africa will be listed as endangered, according to the Fish and Wildlife Service, which is expected to announce the change on Monday. Lions in southern and East Africa will be classified as threatened, with a special rule that prods countries to regulate sport hunting of lions in ways that promote conservation.
Both designations, the agency said, will result in stricter criteria for the import of live lions and lion parts, like heads, paws or skins.
Trophies from countries where lions are endangered will be generally prohibited, except in very limited circumstances, the agency said.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/science/us-to-protect-african-lions-under-endangered-species-act.html?_r=0
spooky3
(34,488 posts)swilton
(5,069 posts)moondust
(20,016 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)Remember all of these types of decisions when you are considering whether or not to support the Democratic nominee for president.
2naSalit
(86,832 posts)They want to repeal the ESA and have been attempting to gut it for decades. As an ESA specialist, I've been fighting the Rs over many species and having little success.
Thanks for saying it... Remember at the polls!
rpannier
(24,341 posts)Because we've been told time and again there is no difference
Ergo, Republicans would do it too...
Fortunately I'm typing my reply, I wouldn't be able to say it w/o getting ill or laughing hysterically
happyslug
(14,779 posts)West African Lions are now classified as "Endangered" but the Regional subspecies of Lions killed by the Dentist was from Southern Africa, and thus only called "Threatened". "Threatened" is a much lower standard, which unlike "Endangered" can include hunting the "Threatened" regional subspecies of lions.
Here is the List of Endangered and Threatened Animals:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/reports/ad-hoc-species-report?kingdom=V&kingdom=I&status=E&status=T&status=EmE&status=EmT&status=EXPE&status=EXPN&status=SAE&status=SAT&mapstatus=3&fcrithab=on&fstatus=on&fspecrule=on&finvpop=on&fgroup=on&header=Listed+Animals
Here is the Fish and Wildlife web page on endangered species:
http://www.fws.gov/endangered/
Lyndon Johnson (LBJ) and Nixon put the most animals on the list, for the Act was passed under LBJ and expanded to include foreign animals under Nixon. Thus every President has expanded the Endangered Species List, including the following GOP Presidents:
Reagan put the Panda on the Endangered Species list:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A0A5
and the lesser long nose bat:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A0AD
and the Caribou:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A088
Reagan also had the Baluchistan Bear on the list:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A0FG
The Mongolian Beaver was made Endangered under Ford:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A04R
As was the European Brown Bear:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A04Q
The the Mexican Pronghorn:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A04M
GW Bush made the Polar Bear "Threatened":
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A0IJ
And GW Bush listed the Santa Rosa Island Fox and the San Miguel Island Fox as "Endangered":
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A08M
and GW Bush listed the Killer Whales:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A0IL
The First Bush did the same for the Louisiana Black Bear:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A0G1
Sorry, Obama listing an animal as endangered does not SHOW he is better then a Republican in the White House, who listed what as an endangered species does not vary that much between the parties.
trillion
(1,859 posts)included animals on the endangered species list - an empress elephant and I believe a tiger.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Both are "Threatened" under the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) endangered species listings.
North of the Congo, the Leopard is "endangered" but south of the Congo it is only "Threatened". Zabaware is south of the Congo.
trillion
(1,859 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)I wanted to make it clear to any reader that the regulations being proposed are designed to ENCOURAGE trophy hunting of lions, if that is part of a "sustainable" animal management program for lions. Thus, if the Dentist can show that his killing of Cecil was LEGAL and part of whatever Nambia calls a "Sustainable Management" program for lions, he can import the lion as his trophy. This regulations has NO affect on the killing of Lions in Namibia.
Deuce
(959 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)And all the large primates.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:57 AM - Edit history (1)
The African Elephant is only "Threatend" sinc 1978
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A07U
In july 2015 a proposed change in the Rule in the Listing for elephants was proposed:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2015-07-29/pdf/2015-18487.pdf
Cheetahs have been on the endangered species list since 1970:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A00S
Through the Republic of Namibia has requested the the US relist the Cheetah as "Threatened" from "Endangered" do to recovery:
http://ecos.fws.gov/docs/federal_register/fr2950.pdf
The Jaguar is listed as Endangered and has been since 1970:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A040
As is the Leopard, except in Gabon, Congo, Zaire, Uganda, Kenya and further south in Africa, the Leopard is still "Endangered". All Leopards were listed as "Endangered" in 1970, but Leopards in the above countries were "upgraded" to "Threatened" Status in 1982:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A01J
The Tiger is listed as "Endangered" and has been since 1970:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A043
The Asiatic Lion has also been listed as "Endangered" since 1970:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A01L
The original 1970 list of foreign endangered species:
http://ecos.fws.gov/docs/federal_register/fr21.pdf
Chimps were only Listed in 2015:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A06C
This was fought by the NASA and the Air Force for decades, they liked using Chimps as test subjects, thus the resistance to list them, and then only listed in 2015.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2015-06-16/pdf/2015-14232.pdf
Gorillas have been listed since 1970:
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A017
As have been Orangutans (i.e. Listed since 1970):
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=A01Y
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)I worry so much about the gorillas and orangutans. They just aren't going to make it. They live in areas that are just under too much stress.
I wish they could set up huge artificial reserves in Hawaii or someplace where populations could live in peace and safety.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/25/kenya-drones-national-parks-poaching
edit...its kenya doing it, but good use of the technology
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)still gets away with it. but maybe hero Cecil will help to save many others. after all, if they can't have their perverted trophies, they are less likely to spend the money for a guided slaughter.
Cecil, a hero lion saving more lives after his horrible murder
Judi Lynn
(160,645 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 25, 2015, 04:48 PM - Edit history (4)
Lions in Central and West Africa were classified as "Endangered" but lions in Southern Africa, including Namibia where Cecil lived, are only listed as "Threatened".
The difference is important, you can NOT take an endangered Species if that Species is in the US AND can not import one taken overseas into the US (There are exception, for example if a Grizzly bear attacks you, you can defend yourself and kill it).
On the other hand "Threatened" species CAN be taken in the US and if taken oversea imported, if such a "taking" meets the terms for such a "taking" in the listing OR under the terms of any permit issued under the listing.
Here is the actual listing for African Lions:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-31958.pdf
Please note, even with the killing of Cecil, Lion Population in Southern African have increase 8% in the last ten years, unlike Western African which saw a 56% drop in the numbers of Lions (and today just over 50% of all Lions live in Southern Africa). See page 25 of the above listing.
From the same listing, as to Southern Africa Lions(P. l. melanochaita):
As stated, under this 4(d) rule any person wishing to conduct an otherwise prohibited activity, including all imports of P. l. melanochaita specimens, must first obtain a permit under 50 CFR 17.32. As with all permit applications submitted under 50 CFR 17.32, the individual requesting authorization to import a sport-hunted trophy of P. l. melanochaita bears the burden of providing information in their application showing that the activity meets the requirements for issuance criteria under 50 CFR 17.32. In some cases for imports, such as sport-hunted trophies, it is not always possible for the applicant to provide all of the necessary information needed by the Service to make a positive determination under the Act to authorize the activity. For the import of sport-hunted trophies of P. l. melanochaita, the Service will typically consult with the range country to the extent practicable and other interested parties to obtain necessary information. The Service has the discretion to make the required findings on sport-hunted trophy imports of P. l. melanochaita on a country-wide basis, although individual import permits will be evaluated and issued or denied for each applicant. While the Service may make enhancement findings for sport-hunted trophy imports of P. l. melanochaita on a country-wide basis, the Service encourages the submission of information from individual applicants. We would rely on the information available to the Service and may rely on information from sources other than the applicant when making a permitting decision.
The difference is important, see 50 CFR § 17.32:
Upon receipt of a complete application the Director may issue a permit for any activity otherwise prohibited with regard to threatened wildlife.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/50/17.32
Now the regulations go on and mention "scientific purposes, or the enhancement of propagation or survival, or economic hardship, or zoological exhibition, or educational purposes, or special purposes consistent with the purposes of the Act." but that is vague enough for any hunter to get a permit to import an "Threatened Species" except those under special rules 17.40 through 17.48 (Which includes the "Special Rules" for Elephants, Grizzly bears and some other "Threatened" Species but NOT lions).
Special Rules 50 CFR § 17.40:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/50/17.40
In simple terms, the Dentist may be able to import his trophy, if it was legally taken in Namibia, into the US even under this new listing for Lions.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)even though we can't control the status of species overseas, we could rewrite the law to include threatened. i know with the current congress it is not likely.
however, interior and commerce i believe are both executive offices. wonder if there is any possibility for exec, orders.
liberalla
(9,266 posts)somehow get inside people's heads and change their thinking. Something to make the avid big game hunter be shocked, apalled and horrified by their own actions... Killing for sport and getting a 'trophy'.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)From big game hunting. And they many are poor countries. They aren't going to give it up.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)See my link above, the ACTUAL REGULATION clearly states they want to ENCOURAGE TROPHIES.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-31958.pdf
From the same listing, as to Southern Africa Lions(P. l. melanochaita):
As stated, under this 4(d) rule any person wishing to conduct an otherwise prohibited activity, including all imports of P. l. melanochaita specimens, must first obtain a permit under 50 CFR 17.32. As with all permit applications submitted under 50 CFR 17.32, the individual requesting authorization to import a sport-hunted trophy of P. l. melanochaita bears the burden of providing information in their application showing that the activity meets the requirements for issuance criteria under 50 CFR 17.32. In some cases for imports, such as sport-hunted trophies, it is not always possible for the applicant to provide all of the necessary information needed by the Service to make a positive determination under the Act to authorize the activity. For the import of sport-hunted trophies of P. l. melanochaita, the Service will typically consult with the range country to the extent practicable and other interested parties to obtain necessary information. The Service has the discretion to make the required findings on sport-hunted trophy imports of P. l. melanochaita on a country-wide basis, although individual import permits will be evaluated and issued or denied for each applicant. While the Service may make enhancement findings for sport-hunted trophy imports of P. l. melanochaita on a country-wide basis, the Service encourages the submission of information from individual applicants. We would rely on the information available to the Service and may rely on information from sources other than the applicant when making a permitting decision.
trillion
(1,859 posts)many as they went on an endangered species killing spree earlier this year.