Bernie Sanders in 'negotiations' with DNC over data breach

[Omaha Steve]

Source: Politico

By AUSTIN WRIGHT

Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Sunday he’s in “negotiations” with the Democratic National Committee following an ugly spat that led to the firing of a Sanders campaign staffer accused of accessing voter data belonging to the Hillary Clinton campaign.

“We're trying to work with the DNC to put this whole thing behind us,” Sanders said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“Frankly,” the Vermont senator added, “I think for the American people there are far more important issues having to do with the disappearance of the American middle class and huge income and wealth inequality and climate change.”

Following the data breach, the DNC temporarily suspended the Sanders campaign’s access to its voter database — and the campaign in turn filed a lawsuit. The dispute has inflamed tensions between Democratic Party insiders and allies of the insurgent Sanders campaign, who have long suspected the DNC of favoring Clinton.

FULL story at link.


“We have had our differences of opinions with the DNC,” Bernie Sanders said. | Getty

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/bernie-sanders-dnc-data-breach-217149

[antigop]

1. “We have had our differences of opinions with the DNC". Gee, I wonder why?

[fasttense]

46. Because Hillary Supporters arbitrarily ban people from the forum

I use to try to avoid posting negative comments against Hillary and I got banned for posting a non negative comment. Yes folks you too can get banned from the Hillary forum for NOT posting negative comments about Hillary.

Hillary is a flip flopper who will sell this country to foreign corporations.

[Betty Karlson]

47. Foreign? Only if they shipped the jobs overseas first. eom

[FloridaBlues]

65. Believe me it goes both ways too

[fasttense]

116. That is not believable give me an example

Here is what one ignorant fool BANNED (I wont tell you which ignorant fool. Hillary seems to attrack them all.)
www.democraticunderground.com/110731282#post2

[LanternWaste]

103. I hear this very allegation coming from both forums in regards to both candidates.

"supporters arbitrarily ban people from the forum..."

I hear this very allegation coming from both forums in regards to both candidates. No doubt, the biased will indeed, attribute it to merely the opposition candidate and his/her supporters, leaving the righteousness of their own candidate unsullied and without sin.

[fasttense]

117. Yeah right give me an example

Go to this link and see what I wrote that got me banned. www.democraticunderground.com/110731282#post2

You Hillary supporters create a lot of antagonism by being so arbitrary and capricious with your banning of non negative comments. I use to refrain from fighting with you Hillary lovers but now I know how nasty you folks really are. I'm not holding my punches anymore.

[mgmaggiemg]

119. because HRC supporters

are turned off by men in the Bernie campaign putting words into the mouths of their mothers, grandmothers, wives girlfriends sisters female aunts cousins daughters etc...fraudulently representing them telling everyone one their vote does not count...that's what the GOP does....women won't vote for a Bernie ticket because the misogynists want to tell them what they are supposed to think...no thanks

[DhhD]

2. Sanders is on the mark, working for the American people. The findings of the investigation

will come with what may.

[Ferd Berfel]

3. I hope Bernie sees this through to a public aring of what happened

Please do not 'negotiate' away our right to know WTF happened here!

[Nitram]

96. Why did the OP put the word "negotiations" in quotation marks?

Is the implication that there is something other than negotiations going on?

[navarth]

4. What's to negotiate? Let's get to the bottom of it now.

Nobody should be able to get away with any more chicanery. If there is no chicanery, then let's know that too.

[jwirr]

6. Possibly who will be doing the investigation?

[Jarqui]

7. That's kind of the problem.

We've seen the logs of the current breach and heard from the data manager and all sides. They've got a fair handle on what happened there.

It's the October breaches that are far more mysterious. The guilty party there, which very, very likely isn't the Sanders campaign because they're the ones asking for an audit of that time, is going to stall as long as they can.

[tecelote]

45. The logs are easy to manipulate. We need to see the email trail.

[questionseverything]

55. yes whoever controls the software

controls the logs

just like with electronic voting machines

[MADem]

84. You "negotiate" when you don't want bad things about your people to be shown the light of day.

Sanders had some cheaters on his team.

The DNC had to tell him about the data breach--his own staff was keeping him in the dark.

[JDPriestly]

89. Actually, I disagree. You can also negotiate if you suspect but don't yet have

the full facts about bad things other people did.

Bernie is probably trying to get information so that he can fully understand the situation. He may also want to demand an explanation and some changes at the vendor NGP Van. It was the bug in their release that caused the initial problem.

I think Bernie is being careful about making accusations, not just against members of his own staff, but against others involved in the situation.

He may also want to know how much of his information could have been viewed by Hillary with or without a targeted search.

This is simply not over.

[MADem]

90. You disagree? I'm shocked. nt

[Marty McGraw]

5. I'm betting the DNC

takes the repuke method of yankin' the football to anything negotiated upon.

[Hortensis]

8. Poor Bernie! His supporters still determined on immolating

him in their own private Berngazzzi.

Why, I don't know. His supporters here are feeling the Bern and want their unfortunate leader to also? They're angry at him for not doing better and are turning on him?

Bern, Bernie, Bern.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. THIS is why this needs to continue. The Hillary supporters need a dose of reality.

[Hortensis]

12. Burn, Bernie, burn until Hillary hurts?

Better check the dosing on that "reality" you're recommending.

“We're trying to work with the DNC to put this whole thing behind us.” Bernie Sanders

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. They're trying to be diplomatic....

What you refuse to accept is the Sanders campaign had nothing to do with the firewall going down.

It wasn't a hack.

It was like logging into your bank account and seeing transactions from another account.

You want the Sanders campaign to be guilty.

In reality it looks like the Hillary campaign lifted names from the Sanders campaign.

[Hortensis]

16. Bernie's fired employees EXPORTED HRC files to their computer

so they could open them, work with the data on them, and store them to their computer.

The dishonesty on this subject is staggering. If any Bernie followers have let coworkers/employers know they post here, I'm thinking they might do well to be concerned. Time for some major distancing/axx-covering? Toss the torches off a dark bridge in the middle of the night so they can never be traced back?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. "The dishonesty on this subject is staggering."

I feel the same way only from the other perspective.

Hillary polls very low on honesty so rather than improve that weakness they decide to drag down their opposition.

"So? He's just as bad or worse" as a campaign slogan.

How inspiring.

[2pooped2pop]

83. It would take decades of this kind of crap

for him to get anywhere near being as bad. And it won't happen. I imagine he had nothing to do with it. He has decades of honesty and integrity forming his actions. The other one? Well, not so much. The opposite actually.

[chervilant]

28. Such predictable pablum.

I have to wonder: whatever has happened to critical thinking skills?!?

Many of us, HRC supporters AND Bernie supporters, would like to know what the hell happened with the NGP VAN database, and the missing firewall. We weren't there, and we must rely on whatever information we can glean from the M$M and online sources. I think the result of a lawsuit will give us more accurate information, don't you?

I think it highly unlikely that the Sanders Campaign would press this issue with a lawsuit if Bernie OR his campaign had any dishonest intent. Besides, most of us know which candidate is identified by a majority surveyed as "dishonest."

(BTW, please do note that I will not see any response you might have, since you've earned a well-deserved spot on my IL.)

[kartski]

39. Not according NGPVAN

DWS, Clinton's best buddy has said it. NGPVAN Says:

"So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign."

Bernie paid for access to the DNC Database. So DWS is now an IT Expert? Some is not being Honest or sniffing too much Hair Perm Chemicals. Time to look at the 2008 breaches that didn't result in penalties.

One edit to add link. http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

[LanternWaste]

104. I'd rationalize it as such too should my bias demand unsupported allegations to maintain itself

"In reality it looks like the Hillary campaign lifted names from the Sanders campaign..."

I'd rationalize it as such too should my bias demand unsupported allegations to maintain itself

[Spitfire of ATJ]

105. That's funny considering Hillary's campaign manager accused Bernie of stealing....

Then we see a bunch of people out there who never gave to a politician in their life sending a few bucks to Bernie and out of the blue they get a letter from Hillary hitting them up for money.

[demwing]

23. Don't engage, Spitfire

this one isn't looking for a debate, just an argument

[Hortensis]

26. Actually, I'm looking to remind viewers that DU

is not wholly made of up of knee-jerk partisan extremists who could care less about wrongdoing when it's their side's.

IMO, I'm a far stronger supporter of Bernie than whatever it is some here have turned into. I am very grateful to Bernie for what he has accomplished for the Democratic Party and for political discourse in America.

This shabby Bernieghazi flaming may be in his name, but it does not dishonor HIM.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. Don't you see it's bad for Hillary to have another story about her unsecured data?

[Hortensis]

56. Theoretically a small bit. But that idea's being pushed

by Hillary opponents, Democratic and Republican, trying to deflect negative attention onto her and away from the VERY REAL wrongdoing among Sanders campaign staffers. They're not doing well with this, though.

I do agree both campaigns would like everyone to stop talking about this so they can focus attention on their favorite issues. We'll be in the general fighting the GOP before we know it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. I wasn't interested in a debate....

More like poking with a stick.

[demwing]

54. lol, by all means then

have at it Hoss

[Hortensis]

70. Sure. You and I can both poke. The usual

tactic, though, is to refuse to engage so my unsatisfying posts drop down as quickly as possible.

Besides, I'm joining someone else in collecting some of my favorite Bernghazi and other destructive posts to send on to Bernie's campaign. Just in case they're trying to pretend what's going on here is not as they try to persuade yet more tea-partiers to leap in. A desperation move, and it'll only pump up a disgusting factor that needs to be quashed -- very definitely a losing move to my mind.

Bernie needs to hold at least some moral high ground in the public's mind. But maybe he's only trying to collect numbers for negotiating position later on.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

72. I'm already famous over there.

[Hortensis]

93. It's likely you who inspired me, Spitfire. I both feel sorry

for Bernie and ticked off that he attracts these types without somehow inspiring better behavior in them. He's getting his message out but is apparently too weak a leader to...lead.

Now it's renewed wooing of tea-party types that's "inspiring" me anew, though. Just a reaction to the prospect of more of his out-of-control zealots waving their torches on DU.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

98. I was a Kucinich supporter before....

I could not understand the support for Obama from Liberals. He was a moderate policy wonk with the longest withdrawal date from Iraq of anyone running. Now we have Hillary again and it doesn't MATTER how hooked in she is with Wall Street or what kind of dirty tricks get pulled on her behalf because her supporters don't CARE about actual issues because love is blind.

As a former issue driven Liberal and former Kucinich supporter I am delighted to see Sanders supporters make up about 90% of the online community. All the "cool kids" are "feeling the Bern" but are STILL being portrayed as a tiny insignificant fringe of weirdos by the Beltway and they're thought of as EVIL by many Hillary supporters.

Lately, Bernie wants to get some of the angry working class types to recognize who the real enemy is out there. Trump has been telling these people who haven't had a raise in 30 years to blame the immigrants when it's the whole system sending the nation's wealth to Wall Street instead of payroll that's to blame.

You claim that's "wooing the Tea Party" and expect that to fly.

[Hortensis]

99. If Bernie could educate and direct those motivated by anger

instead of civic responsibility, it'd be great. But the people we're talking about are always part of the problems and usually in the way of the solutions. He wants their anger to add energy to his forward momentum, but then what? He can't direct these barn-burners' thoughts and he cannot control them.

Very few, almost none, could be considered liberal, or even progressive by nature, but this independent who's always despised the Democratic Party wants to draw large numbers of reactionary troublemakers who despise cooperation, including large numbers of bigots, into the Democrats' camp?

All across the nation the GOP is continuing to hemorrhage voters because they're fed up with the behaviors of those who substitute mindless resentment for thought. It's absolutely not in our interest to have those they reject damaging our reputation and electoral prospects instead of the GOP's.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

100. LOL!! Bernie never "despised" the democratic party. He voted with them....

This is yet another example of the utter nonsense being echoed in the Hillary camp.

As far as those angry voters, sure, some are brainwashed by RW media and parrot Limbaugh and Hannity and consider FOX "News" to be "Fair and Balanced". Those types are going to show up in DROVES if Hillary is the nominee but may stay home if Bernie is the nominee.

They are motivated by hate for the Clintons way more than by hate for a grandfatherly type who wants to expand Social Security.

[Rose Siding]

101. Its president made him want to puke.

Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was “physically nauseated” by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy’s “hatred for the Cuban Revolution […] was so strong.”
“Kennedy was young and appealing and ostensibly liberal,” Sanders reminisced in a 1987 interview with The Gadfly, a student newspaper at the University of Vermont. “But I think at that point, seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant.”
In the same interview, he also criticized Jesse Jackson’s decision to try and affect change by “working within the Democratic party” and offered some pointed remarks about Walter Mondale.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech#.mo2RGDrao

Sounds like disgust to me

[Spitfire of ATJ]

102. I'm sick of America's post-WWII policy of promoting Capitalism too....

Aren't you?

Communism was an exaggerated threat and Bernie was ahead of the curve.

[Rose Siding]

108. Not so exaggerated when nukes were pointed at us

and no, not sick of capitalism.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

110. The whole "Red Dawn" thing was a fantasy though....

The Russians had actual tanks invading them during WWII and they fought them back.

They told their people the nukes were to defend the nation the same way we did.

Were we interested in invading their land and taking over?

No.

Neither were they.

[Rose Siding]

111. In Cuba?

At any rate, JFK never made me want to puke and I can't relate to the reaction. Sorry.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

115. Cuba was a case of tossing out a dictatorship....

Castro went from freedom fighter to dictator.

Woody Allen spoofed it in "Bananas".

[Hortensis]

107. "My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”

"You actually think the Democratic Party represents the working class?"

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

“I am not a Democrat, period.”

“I am not a Democrat,” he told the Progressive, “because the Democratic Party does not represent, and has not for many years, the interests of my constituency, which is primarily working families, middle-class people and low-income people.” (This was about 2 years ago.)

Bernie has often said there's no real difference between the Democrats and Republicans. I say if he's going to take that angry voice he used at the last debate and do a McCain by trying to appeal to extremist conservative barn-burners, he should do it in the burnt shell they've helped make of the GOP barn, not ours. And yes, they ARE far more motivated by hate for the Clintons than almost anything else.

Except for Hillary specifically, Hispanics, government, Democrats, Jews, liberals, Hillary,l government, Blacks, gun control and ACA advocates, PBS, Hillary, secularism, Democrats, Muslims, liberals, gays, government, Hillary, conservatives who don't agree with them, Hillary, everyone with an accent, liberals, Democrats, anything "establishment," Hillary, freedom of religion (for others), NPR, immigrants, Hillary, government, minorities of any kind, Democrats, the Constitution as it really is, liberals, Hollywood, Hillary, New York, Democrats, France, government, did I say all minority groups yet?, etc., etc., etc., etc.

Oh, yes. We really want THEM with us...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

109. Why is it so difficult to see those are NOT the ones he's talking about?

He's talking about people who are angry because they're working hard and not getting ahead.

Trump takes that vast pool of people and tells them to blame minorities.

Bernie wants them to stop blaming minorities and to come together with other working class people and realize we have a system that funnels every dime up to the 1% through Wall Street.

[Hortensis]

112. Spitfire, not everyone who's working hard and not getting ahead

fall into that "angry right-wing" category. Not by a long shot. These people are roughly a quarter of the electorate at any time; they're a minority and a large majority of them are social conservatives. They're like anyone else when they're among those they consider their own, but in the politics of a large and highly diverse nation, they're hostile, aggressive troublemakers by nature. (And, let's face it, not all angry, resentful right-wingers are hard working and for various reasons some never did well in any economy.)

Of note, though, a majority of other Americans across the political spectrum are "working hard and not getting ahead." But their answer isn't anger and destruction of anything they label "establishment" so they can take a torch to it. Those who are involved at all want to fix and build, and they want a confident leader with a positive message. Those are the people who can help us elect progressive liberals/moderate conservatives to hundreds of offices around the country.

Sure, Bernie does also attract those people, but those aren't the "tea party" types he's reportedly putting more focus on picking up. Which is what worries me. The more angry tone he took at the last debate tends to appeal far more to angry reactionaries than to thoughtful people.

What happened the last time you saw someone start talking angrily at a party? Most people moved away, right?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

113. I really don'y believe those people are as plentiful as they would like to be....

If they were than Obama would never have been elected and then reelected.

It was okay when Hillary pandered to them in '08.

[Hortensis]

114. We seem to be talking about different things.

Have a nice day, Spitfire.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

118. I meant the 25% you mentioned....

I bet it's more like 10 to 15%.

[davidpdx]

91. Vanilla Rhapsody is that you?

[Hortensis]

92. Sorry to disappoint. I'm more of a black coffee type.

But speaking of Ms. Rhapsody, ...?

[yeoman6987]

30. The only reason for negotiating is that Bernie might not get the conclusion

he was hoping for. Otherwise he wouldn't be back tracking and trying to change the subject that he has been discussing daily for two weeks. Somethings up.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. Bernie isn't interested in distractions from real issues.

[yeoman6987]

35. What?

I believe he has been the driving force on this issue for two weeks. Nobody else brings it up.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. I wouldn't if I were a Hillary supporter either....

The attack on Sanders backfired spectacularly.

[yeoman6987]

40. We'll see. I haven't seen proof of that yet.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Not surprised, there was a major holiday recently.

[yeoman6987]

41. I mean in regards to support

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. There were plenty of posts here of Hillary supporters grave dancing on the Sanders campaign....

They thought the data breach story was a gift from Santa.

Which is weird since Santa is a major league socialist.

[joshcryer]

49. I'm the ONLY Sanders supporter here...

...who said and predicted this. And yet I get accused of not actually supporting him. This issue should not be dragging on like it has, it's mind boggling.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

59. And I'm a Hillary supporter who thinks Bernie is completely innocent

He immediately did the right thing in firing the staffers. Major props from me. Can't think of anything else he could have done better.

But fundamentally, keeping this story alive, trying to somehow make the temporary permissions screwup into a conspiracy theory instead of a simple mistake, well if Senator Sanders wants to go down that road, I guarantee you that there are Clinton staffers who are privately chortling over what it says about his temperament.

It may very well be true DWS is a bit too partisan for Hillary (while some of her vice-chairs are Bernie supporters). But it's even more obvious that she doesn't know a PC from a Mac, and the idea that she's planted people, or Made The Bernie Staffer Breakin Happen On Purpose, is so out there in kook land, it's like the final nail in the coffin for his campaign, no matter what happens in Iowa or New Hampshire.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[joshcryer]

60. That's Weavers doing.

Do you really think Sanders wants to keep dragging the campaign down fighting the very party he's running for? Some Sanders "supporters" sure do think that, but they don't give two shits about Sanders or his campaign.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

69. I agree. I find Sanders delightfully refreshing.

And most of his supporters are clearly Democrats who just want to grab for the brass ring, instead of settling for what can realistically be pushed through Congress. Yes, I see the appeal of trying to jawbone Republicans into doing the right thing, and doing so with zero compromises from our side, even though I know that won't be successful.

But flat out, even before Senator Sanders came on the scene, there were DUers who were campaigning against Hillary, smearing her like Republicans do, and hating the opinions of the majority of Democrats. I hope for his sake that Senator Sanders campaign isn't full of these kinds of people, because you fail to even get an effective message out that way, and I do think he still has something to say.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. What I find hilarious is the glee Hillary supporters had when the story first broke....

Now it's all about dropping it hoping it will go away.

[joshcryer]

79. This issue has brought out insanity...

...in all supporters. HRC supporters cheering DWS's idiotic actions, for example. The only reason many are cheering this is obviously because a lot of Sanders supporters want the lawsuit to go forward.

However there are a few who thinks it's bad for the optics for both campaigns.

I was calling it a loser issue from day one, for Sanders campaign specifically. The poll numbers dipped because of this issue, supporters defending the indefensible, making mountains out of molehills, and a campaign manager saying ridiculous crap.

And again, I'm the only one here who saw this coming. I don't give a fuck about the petulant glee the some HRC supporters are having (particularly the one that spawned this sub thread). This is good for the campaign.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

82. It's early. There's plenty of time for the next shiny object.

[joshcryer]

52. That was Weavers doing.

The lawsuit never had legs.

[Blue_Adept]

17. Jury Results

On Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:04 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Poor Bernie! His supporters still determined on immolating
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1297448

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Instigation, agitation

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 27, 2015, 12:08 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ha!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's incoherent.... even a little crazy.... but otherwise within bounds, imo.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Standard level of dialogue in GDP since the get-go. Not hide worthy in the slightest.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. Rather than alert we have the eyeroll....

[hopemountain]

77. so then why is the sanders' campaign insisting on

an independent audit? dws thinks she may continue to have everything under "her" control and that she has put the kabash on the whole thing. how arrogant of her.

"They're angry at him for not doing better and are turning on him?" are you kidding? highly unlikely.

[INdemo]

9. John Kerry would have been elected President in 2004

had the the DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe fought for the 140,000 stolen Ohio votes.But instead he chose to set Hillary up
for 2008 which of course backfired.
Why is it so difficult to have DWS fired? She should have been fired when it was determined that she tried to sabatoge the Sanders campaign.

[Cassiopeia]

14. She should have been fired when she actively lobbied for Republicans

in 2014.

[SusanCalvin]

21. Yep. nt

[grasswire]

18. excellent

I would bet that Obama knows about a few of her tricks too.

[Hortensis]

24. Now, come on. Sabotage/SACRIFICE a John Kerry presidency

in the hope of maybe getting a Hillary one someday down the line?

I guess this bizarre conspiracy silliness at least shows how far Hillary's candidacy has helped advance us. We still have not yet had a woman president, and until well into THIS election, when Hillary impressed the nation with her competence, many saw her womanhood as a prohibitively dangerous handicap. It's still a handicap, but no longer prohibitive.

Good for us. And go, Hillary!

[INdemo]

67. Well you know MC Cauliffe didn't do a damn

thing about the very questionable dissapearence of the 140,0000+ votes.
Later on ( a couple) years ago the then Ohio SOS admitted there were discrepancies after an independent investigation proved the Ohio election was stolen .
So hell yes McCauiffe was setting Hillary up for 2008,and how did that work out for her?
Just like DWS is working for the Hillary now

[Hortensis]

68. That's called circular reasoning, In.

[Nitram]

97. Indemolition, that's just plain silly.

Conspiracy theories like that usually end with aluminum foil being applied.

[JoePhilly]

10. So Bernie doesn't think there was a conspiracy?

[jalan48]

13. Look for the results of the complete analysis in December 2016.

[SusanCalvin]

22. That's what worries me. nt

[jalan48]

25. The election has been a set-up from day one.

Hillary and the DNC will not allow a replay of 2008. She's the chosen one this time around. Bernie isn't part of the club, he gets to talk but in the end he can't be part of the sorority/fraternity.

[brooklynite]

27. Fraternities get to pick their members...

...so do Political Parties. They call the process "a Primary"...

[SusanCalvin]

38. Fine, but

That's not the same issue as the rigged debate schedule. THAT is not paranoia nor fantasy.

[George II]

51. I don't know why Sanders fans are still complaining about....

...the debates. Their candidate has dropped in the polls after each of the first three. If I were them I'd be complaining that there are too many debates.

[SusanCalvin]

61. Depends on which polls you are looking at, I guess.

In any case, the schedule was certainly an attempt to help Hillary, if only to minimize the amount of airtime for the lesser-known candidates. Maybe it has the desired ultimate effect, maybe it doesn't. I don't like thumbs on the scale whether successful or not.

[Chef Eric]

94. We want Democrats on TV, shaping the discourse of important issues.

I don't know why so many Clinton supporters seem to have a difficult time understanding that.

[George II]

95. "Clinton supporters" don't a difficult time understanding that, "we" just don't think...

....supporters of a guy who had no use for the Democratic Party until a few months ago telling the Democratic Party what they should do.

[Chef Eric]

106. Which parts of Sanders' platform are not compatible with Democratic values? nt

[joshcryer]

53. That graph will change now that this...

...is getting put behind the campaign.

[jalan48]

66. The DNC is the sorority in this case.

[George II]

73. The curves on that graph are going in opposite directions.

[Lil Missy]

36. Don't forget the most important part - she is the No. 1 choice of THE PEOPLE in the D Party too!

Hillary haters seem to overlook that little sugar plum in favor of conspiracy theories.

[SusanCalvin]

62. Currently. No primaries as of yet, and a lot of them to go.

Not a prediction of any sort. Just a statement that the future is, well, in the future.

[INdemo]

75. This election may fool DWS and Hillary and it could be 2008 all over again

If Bernie wins Iowa and NH then i think we will see progressive voters that haven't voted in the last couple primaries show up. So for Hillary/DWS and all of this crowning of the Queen process just might backfire

[Historic NY]

29. Are you sure I won't believe it unless that unnamed Sanders campaign official confirms it...

the same unnamed campaign person that been driving the negative stories all over the internet to the media.

[SunSeeker]

33. Bernie's looking for a face-saving way to dismiss his lawsuit.

Or at least he should be. But if he has Weaver doing the "negotiations," this may take a while.

[joshcryer]

57. Even Weaver has to face the reality the lawyers are telling him.

Just glad Sanders is on top of it so we won't, hopefully, get Weavers outlandish spin.

[INdemo]

76. Thats BS and you know it.

You just grasp for anything to try and cover for Hillary or DWS don't you?

[SunSeeker]

86. I'm not the one grasping here. nt

[reACTIONary]

81. Hopefully DWS / DNC throw him a bone....

..... so we don't have to suffer any more bone headed nonsense .

[George II]

42. I thought they didn't do anything wrong. What.....

...do they have to negotiate? And sure there are "a lot more things to worry about" than what his campaign people did wrong.

[joshcryer]

48. Good, Weaver really messed up here.

Finally we can move the fuck on, as I've been saying all along.

[MeNMyVolt]

58. +1 Yes you have. n/t

[creeksneakers2]

50. Great for Bernie

Nothing positive can come from dragging this out. I like Bernie.

[George II]

74. Great now, not so great a week or so ago. It should never have gone as far as it did.

[Gothmog]

63. Sander is in a very weak bargaining position and so it is wise to negotiate

The facts are clear. The Sanders campaign stole proprietary data and if this case goes to trial, he will lose. It is best to cut his losses and reach a face saving settlement

[cascadiance]

64. No, it is more clear that DNC under DWS along with their "vendor" in effect had signs like this...

... in front of DNC data, which was spilled in to those using it's hands.



Now some reacted more appropriately than others, but to say that Bernie's campaign "STOLE" data as if it was their actions only is pretty much BULLSHIT!

[joshcryer]

80. I bet they get an apology from DWS.

That should be good enough. And I bet you she resigns by the end of next year.

Remember, NGP VAN had already locked everyone out. Shutting off full service wasn't necessary.

This is one of my more iffy predictions, but even if she gets a cabinet position it's better than head of DNC.

[MADem]

85. Yep, he needs to tamp this shit down, and quick. His STAFF lied to him. His STAFF

tried to flip the script and accuse everyone else. Clinton's team, wisely, did not engage. Neither did the DNC.

That whole "pointing fingers" saying applies--and there are plenty of fingers pointing BACK at the Sanders staff. The investigators have probably found some extremely damning shit--and Sanders staff has demonstrated that they felt the need to have to be cheaters in order to beat her.

The one to be pitied here is Sanders--I don't think he knew what his staff was up to...he was still having a hard time believing they screwed him at the debate, though he did apologize. I think now he has a fuller picture.

Time will tell!

[Hoyt]

78. What is there to negotiate? You hire overzealous people, they steal data, etc.

A viable Prez has to manage their staff.

[SoapBox]

87. I want to know...has the HRC Campaign had access to Sanders and O'Malley data...

Since DWS and the DNC has been blatantly supporting HRC.

[brooklynite]

88. Wake me up when Bernie Sanders claims that...

...otherwise, I suggest to relocate to CREATIVE SPECULATION.