Oregon standoff: Militants used federal computers, saw employee data, report says

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Oregonian

Oregon standoff: Militants used federal computers, saw employee data, report says
By Mike Rogoway
on January 09, 2016 at 12:10 PM

In taking control of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters, militants occupying the site have also taken over the desks of the people who work at the site – their cubicles, their computers and, evidently, their personnel files.

Oregon Public Broadcasting visited the compound Friday and reported that militants appeared to be using federal computers inside the compound, machines that can be accessed only with employees' ID badges. Lists of names and Social Security numbers were visible, alongside government ID cards.

The occupiers want the bird sanctuary handed over to local control so "people can reclaim their resources" in the words of Ammon Bundy, the Arizona man leading the siege. But Ryan Bundy, Ammon's brother, said they don't want to hurt the people who work at the site and he denied using the headquarters' computers or employee belongings.

. . .

Seventeen people work at the refuge headquarters, administering the 190,000-acre site. Their responsibilities include overseeing the refuge's firefighting administration, removing invasive carp from Malheur Lake and working with volunteers to build paths and make other improvements to the site.


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[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. they keep digging deeper

they had a chance to walk out without trouble

I think they now have some real trouble to deal with when they come out

[Baitball Blogger]

3. Well, the feds could have acted sooner.

But, no, they're shocked SHOCKED that these anarchists would turn around and use their cubicles.

[roguevalley]

11. they will now publish and stalk people

[Warpy]

12. Those jackasses have backed themselves into a corner now

With other beer gut miklitias joining them, there is no way they can leave quietly, they'll have to keep grandstanding for the newcomers.

I have to wonder why there aren't roadblocks preventing more worthless right wing yahoos from coming in.

This has been grotesquely bungled, as much as the original Bundy stand off was.

The Feds are going to have to get tough at some point or it will just keep happening. Unfortunately, the self immolation at Waco made them reluctant to take on crazy white people.

[Judi Lynn]

23. People of their realm haven't even stopped gibbering about Ruby Ridge.

They seem to believe as long as they keep howling about the licks they've taken, people won't dare treat them with the firmness the situation demands.

[ananda]

2. Geezus, how much more will this be mismanaged?

The feds and the racism so deeply imbedded in this country has
so much bad to answer for.

[99th_Monkey]

60. No worries. The FBI is "closely monitoring" the situation.

I swear, it would not surprise me if the FBI served them up some hot chocolate & cookies,
on a silver platter.

I can't stop thinking about this heavily redacted (and all-but universally ignored by the media)
2006 FBI report "White Supremacists Infiltrating Law Enforcement", that no one ever talks about,
even though AA's are routinely murdered in the streets by cops. Duh. Connect the dots.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/21/1384553/-2006-FBI-Report-on-White-Infiltration-of-Law-Enforcement-You-Will-Be-Assimilated
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

I can't help suspecting that this conspicuously deferential treatment by Federal law enforcement
is part & parcel of this phenomenon.

[boomer55]

4. why are the keystone insurrectionists still there? Has anybody given a reasonable answer yet?

[madokie]

5. The last thing I want to see is blood shed

and martyrs.

These old boys are going to go to jail for a long time I do believe. They've pushed the feds way too far this time. IMHO

[geek tragedy]

15. Yeah right. They didn't arrest them after the Bundy ranch.

The Feds have orders from DC to avoid enforcing the law against the militia types, period.

[madokie]

19. You're just pulling stuff out of your you know what

You have no idea but thanks for playing.

[geek tragedy]

24. Do you think the refusal to enforce the law

is a local decision?

[madokie]

35. Probably from gawd personally :-)

I really don't care and won't attempt to guess as to what is driving any of this except the teahadist are 100% nuts

[tblue37]

16. I hope so, but I will believe it when I see it. nt

[atreides1]

22. No one is going to jail!!!

The feds screwed this pooch from the very beginning, all because they wanted to avoid a confrontation...because it looks bad in the morning papers! But now the lives of 17 federal employees and their families are in danger.

Because of this cowardly approach and the unwitting assistance of the media, these occupiers are gaining even more support!


All of non-confrontational BS will do nothing but give more strength to the militia movement...now they have another example of how the federal government can't protect federal managed lands and it's inability to enforce federal laws!

[madokie]

34. LOL

I'm sure you're an authority on this

[Jake Stern]

48. Wasn't that the same line tossed out during the Bundy incident?

"The Feds are gonna get 'em just you wait and see! They're in BIIIIIG trouble now!"

Same shit, different drama.

[madokie]

68. What ever

[matt819]

17. Nope

And no one in power seems to care. Comments at NYT.com are similar to yours and mine.

Maybe the Feds are just giving these white Christian terrorists mor and more rope to gang themselves. But to the rest of us it sure seems like inaction.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. If these people are able to access BLM employees files,

this will have a very negative outcome. This info will play right into the Thugs hand of harassment of BLM and Forest Service workers. Time to clean these fools of the NRA out.

[Person 2713]

7. Unfortunately seventeen employees now will have cooties big time after going back to work

[Geronimoe]

8. Keep dipping the hole cowboys

They are probably up to about 10 years to life for each of them. They might as well enjoy the brief freedom while it lasts.

[Snotcicles]

28. Now they can add espionage to the charges. eom

[w0nderer]

9. K & R for visibility of this N/T

[mopinko]

10. ffs. why havent they cut off the power yet?

jeebus.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Wondering the same.

[Blue_Tires]

66. +1000

[Warren Stupidity]

13. When do these multiple felony fuckers get arrested?

[James48]

14. Somebody left their CAC card in their machine.....

Uh-oh.

Somebody left their ID Computer Access Card (CAC Card) unsecured.

Not a good thing.

[NobodyHere]

61. If that happened in my former office

There would've been a stream of embarrassing emails sent out to the unit.

[truthisfreedom]

20. the Obama MISadministration? ALERT!!!!!!!

ALERT!!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!!

[olddad56]

29. Yeah, it is all Obama's fault. (not)

[Marty McGraw]

39. so hard to have

faith in any long standing fed institutions right now since repugs and their crony corporations have spent decades knee capping, starving, tarnish labeling and positioning sweet money taking uneducated non-proffessionals in these job roles all to conveniently propagandize against them to the general public. I wish I could say it comes as a surprise these fucknut teahawdists have been able to pull this shit for the amount of time they have.

[libodem]

21. Well Hell

Give 'em a freakin' parade and send them free hot lunches. Sign them up for food stamps and escort them to the store and back. Let them have it. Set an example for BLM.

[jtuck004]

25. Except for Helen's workstation. She defeated them with the password "Bluebird". n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

26. If these people had been Black

the grand jury would have refused to indict the cops who shot them to death by now.

[Shrike47]

27. This makes me so damned mad. Cut off the power and close off access.

They can leave but not return, after being photographed and identified. The Idaho militia people should also be arrested forthwith. Jeeze, the inaction is driving me crazy!

[Lulu KC]

69. I'm right there with you

Enough already!

[SheilaT]

30. Aren't the computers passworded?

Jesus H Christ. Even my home computer is.

[Angel Martin]

31. Password discipline needs to be followed

if computers are not properly password protected, that is a problem, even if it was ordinary criminals breaking into this office, rather than these yahoos.

[SwankyXomb]

55. Post-it notes on monitors probably

The bane of IT security.

[Proserpina]

32. Let's count the anomalies to date

1) how did they get in?

If the place was locked after hours, it was a break-in, a felony
If the place was occupied during regular business, it was an armed invasion of govt. property, another felony
If the place was unlocked and unoccupied, somebody needs to hire a lawyer

2) Why haven't they been forced out?
Actively
Passively: Loudspeakers, explosions, crying wives and children pleading, other razzle-dazzle, plus the usual cutoff of utilities, food and visitors

3) Why haven't there been civil lawsuits filed against their assets? Sure sounds like a case where "asset forfeiture" could be justified.

Somehow, I didn't expect such helplessness from our tax dollars at work. It's spineless, brainless, and positively embarrassing.

[PADemD]

43. Maybe OWS should go out there to inspire some FED action.

[Duppers]

46. There ya go!

[Proserpina]

54. I think they have better things to do--working for Bernie, for example

Damn near anybody has better things to do. Including the ones who are supposed to be protecting federal property, apparently.

[underpants]

59. I saw one article early on that said they had keys

That was the only mention I've seen of HOW they got in.

[CanonRay]

33. I don't know who is in charge

On the Federal level but they are fucking incompetent.

[raindaddy]

36. What happened to cutting off their power? I'm thinking the government's next step is sending over...

a truckload of beer and snacks and handing over the refuge to go along with their $500,000 federal loan and their way below market grazing rights...

After all they're white and conservative.

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. News says Police shut off power at BLM fire station near refuge dated Jan. 7th.

This info about puters may reflect what was done when power was still on???

[MisterP]

41. that's how they got all the other land they own in the West

the harder they bite the hand, the more desperately it feeds them (that's how the PQ rolls)

[valerief]

40. Hello! Crimes are being committed! Hello! Anybody there?

[passiveporcupine]

42. Who are you going to believe?

Oregon Public Broadcasting visited the compound Friday and reported that militants appeared to be using federal computers inside the compound, machines that can be accessed only with employees' ID badges. Lists of names and Social Security numbers were visible, alongside government ID cards.

"No, we haven't touched a single personal item. We haven't touched any of the computers, we haven't tried to log on — we haven't done anything," Ryan Bundy told OPB.

I'm having a hard time figuring out whom to believe!

[perdita9]

44. Add it to the list of charges that they're facing

[jalan48]

47. At what point do we stand up to these bullies?

[Jake Stern]

50. Optics, my friend

The thought of having to grow a backbone and evict these jackoffs gives Feds up to Obama the heebie jeebies. Might involve some shootin', ya know.

Sarcasm aside they're afraid that effectively dealing with white supremacist seditionists will cost the Donkey party votes in 2016.

[mdbl]

63. white supremacist seditionists

havent voted for the donkey party since Ronnie Raygun changed from democrat to repuglican.

[Jake Stern]

67. Exactly!

The folks that would be incensed by a raid on these schmucks are likely to be the ones that wouldn't vote Dem anyway.

[SHRED]

49. Asshole bullies

[Buzz Clik]

51. If there is any evidence of that, those goobers are facing jail time for yet another charge.

[PatrickforO]

52. So...when 'the people,' meaning those particular ranchers

'reclaim' their land, meaning steal it from the rest of us since it is public land, then what about us? Aren't we out some federal land that we ALL supposedly own and keep in trust for our grandchildren?

[Odin2005]

53. Look at the shit conservative white men can get away with.

[trillion]

56. +10000000000000000000000

[Odin2005]

57. Appropriate username!

[larkrake]

58. There is a difference between having guests at a ranch and seizing a fed complex

Homeland will give them enough rope to hang them. Giving these psychos time to commit larger crimes so each can be charged with more and more punishable acts. Cutting down trees for firewood, illegal use of Fed computers, data mining, destruction (muddy boots can destroy floors and rugs, as does tobacco spit. I doubt anyone is mopping or taking trash to the dump). As soon as someone shoots a bird or deer, that's poaching. The first one to say no to the lawmen, goes to jail. You can bet the FBI has that airstrip staged for a reason. Let the bums get complacent, and ZAP! Each freak has to be identified, measured, who is an instigator and who are the followers. The FBI has all winter to compile charges. Battle does nothing, but seizing bank accounts, homes, interrogating family members at home is the only way to de-fang these paranoid cripples.
It is probably too late to pack up and leave without arrests.

[hopemountain]

71. ^^^+++^^^

further, government management and workers are a tangled web of "agendas" along with the eastern rural oregon gov reps with huge amounts of corporate money behind them to support exploitation of oregon's natural "resources" along with an lng pipeline to the coast to import natural gas to china.

[NobodyHere]

62. Somebody needs to get fired for this

[SHRED]

64. SHUT THE DAMN POWER OFF!!!!

[Helen Borg]

70. Why hasn't that happened yet?

...

[SHRED]

65. If I worked there...

...I'd have a lawyer ready to sue the Feds if I was threatened because they got my info.

This has to be stopped now.