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riversedge

(70,299 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:39 PM Jan 2016

EYES ON IOWA: TRUMP AND CLINTON SURGE 10 DAYS BEFORE THE CAUCUS. CRUZ AND SANDERS FALTERING AT FINI

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Source: www.theecps.com







EYES ON IOWA: TRUMP AND CLINTON SURGE 10 DAYS BEFORE THE CAUCUS. CRUZ AND SANDERS FALTERING AT FINISH.

http://www.theecps.com/

January 21, 2016




In a new, statewide Iowa poll, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have surged to 9 and 10 point leads in Iowa with just 10 days before the first in the nation voting begins. Clinton receives 52% of the vote and Sanders at 43%. Trump leads his Republican rivals with 33%, followed by Ted Cruz at 23%, Marco Rubio (14%), and Ben Carson (9%) round out the top four with the rest of field under 6%; Rick Santorum -- who won the 2012 Iowa GOP Caucus with 25% of the vote -- has less than 1% of Iowans this time around, and Mike Huckabee who won the 2008 Iowa Caucus is at 2%.



The survey began January 18, the day after the latest Democrat debate, and concluded January 20, the day following Sarah Palin’s endorsement of Donald Trump................



X-posted from Hillary Group

Read more: http://www.theecps.com/




Well-Hillary has 2 Iowa polls today showing 9+ points over Sanders,

While Sanders has 1 poll where is up +8.


It is now over yet ladies and gents . Now carry on.





Clinton 52, Sanders 43




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EYES ON IOWA: TRUMP AND CLINTON SURGE 10 DAYS BEFORE THE CAUCUS. CRUZ AND SANDERS FALTERING AT FINI (Original Post) riversedge Jan 2016 OP
How is Hillary surging when she is doing worse than a moth ago? morningfog Jan 2016 #1
She losing ground faster this year than in 2008. draa Jan 2016 #2
Something Is Going On scottie55 Jan 2016 #3
EXTRA! EXTRA! GREAT HEADLINE UPPER CAPS! andrewv1 Jan 2016 #4
You might think of clicking the link and looking at the headline before you look foolish riversedge Jan 2016 #11
Flawed to the point of absurdity ViseGrip Jan 2016 #15
WHEN I SAW THE SOURCE I THOUGHT IT SAID WWW.THECAPS.COM snooper2 Jan 2016 #25
But she's finished and about to be indicted! Kingofalldems Jan 2016 #5
Yeah, EMERSON COLLEGE POLLING IS NUMBER ONE! andrewv1 Jan 2016 #8
and FOX NEWS ALERTS! andrewv1 Jan 2016 #6
Great news ... LannyDeVaney Jan 2016 #7
Oh happy days-when that happens. riversedge Jan 2016 #20
Ben Carson emerges as a GOP darling; Sanders Slips as Biden is on the move! Agony Jan 2016 #9
In CNN poll, when polling those who say they plan to caucus, vs only polling those who caucused Gmak Jan 2016 #10
The sample is very heavily populated with older voters bigworld Jan 2016 #12
No fucking wonder! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #24
she's decreasing in Iowa Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #13
When this post caught my eye, murielm99 Jan 2016 #14
Thanks you. You gave me a chuckle riversedge Jan 2016 #21
LOL we haven't even had ONE state Primary Marrah_G Jan 2016 #16
It's a robocall poll. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #17
538 rates polling agencies Mufaddal Jan 2016 #18
Nate Silver gives this pollster a C+ Samantha Jan 2016 #19
Hillary's photo from your linked source left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #22
CNN poll: Sanders leads in Iowa left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #23
Poll: Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders in Iowa by 9 points riversedge Jan 2016 #26
Locking In_The_Wind Jan 2016 #27
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. How is Hillary surging when she is doing worse than a moth ago?
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

Double plus good Hillary!

draa

(975 posts)
2. She losing ground faster this year than in 2008.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016

I've also noticed people on her side have been living in a 180 World as on late. White is Black. Up is Down. Their reality seems to be skewed.

In 180 World Clinton is the champion of the people and Sanders is the establishment. They've become George W Bush right before our eyes.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
3. Something Is Going On
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jan 2016

They don't know what it is. I do know....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511043687

andrewv1

(168 posts)
4. EXTRA! EXTRA! GREAT HEADLINE UPPER CAPS!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

You might think about putting in for a job at one of those sleazy newspaper rags in NY....

Not bad!

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
11. You might think of clicking the link and looking at the headline before you look foolish
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jan 2016

again by posting a nasty post. as you know according to DU Rules we must post the headline exactly as written.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
15. Flawed to the point of absurdity
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jan 2016

71 percent of those polls were age 45 and older.
Only 15 percent of those polled were under the age of 34.

Folks, you can't make this stuff up.

54 percent of those polled were women
46 percent of those polled were men

Monmouth really knows how to fuck up polling--to the point where what they're doing is closer to making waffles than polling.

Whatever. Enjoy your "poll".
******************************

from a cross post and the info is important here too.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. WHEN I SAW THE SOURCE I THOUGHT IT SAID WWW.THECAPS.COM
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jan 2016

Kingofalldems

(38,475 posts)
5. But she's finished and about to be indicted!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jan 2016

I read it here on DU.

Benghazi!

andrewv1

(168 posts)
8. Yeah, EMERSON COLLEGE POLLING IS NUMBER ONE!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

andrewv1

(168 posts)
6. and FOX NEWS ALERTS!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jan 2016

An interesting web site to say the least

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
7. Great news ...
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jan 2016

Just a few more days and hopefully all the right-wing trolls on this site will go back in their bunkers.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
20. Oh happy days-when that happens.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:26 AM
Jan 2016

Agony

(2,605 posts)
9. Ben Carson emerges as a GOP darling; Sanders Slips as Biden is on the move!
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jan 2016

Gmak

(88 posts)
10. In CNN poll, when polling those who say they plan to caucus, vs only polling those who caucused
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

before, which shows Hillary on top: "The survey from CNN/ORC shows Mr. Sanders, who was trailing Mrs. Clinton significantly in early December, erasing her lead and overtaking her. Likely Democratic caucusgoers now back the Vermont senator over Mrs. Clinton by eight percentage points, 51 percent to 43 percent. Last month she was ahead of him by 18 percentage points."

bigworld

(1,807 posts)
12. The sample is very heavily populated with older voters
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

18-34 Years 53 6.0%
35-54 Years 136 15.4%
55-74 Years 391 44.4%
75+ Years 217 24.6%


 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
24. No fucking wonder!
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jan 2016

These two groups are mostly for Bernie:

18-34 Years 53 6.0%
35-54 Years 136 15.4%
total 21.4%

These two groups are mostly for Hillary:

55-74 Years 391 44.4%
75+ Years 217 24.6%
total 69%

The poll is a COMPLETE sham!

Oh and the sex:

Percent
Male 46.5
Female 53.5

Another gift to Clinton.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
13. she's decreasing in Iowa
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jan 2016

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
14. When this post caught my eye,
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jan 2016

I thought it had to be a pro-Bernie post. They seem addicted to all caps.

I did go to the link.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
21. Thanks you. You gave me a chuckle
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:27 AM
Jan 2016

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
16. LOL we haven't even had ONE state Primary
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jan 2016
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
17. It's a robocall poll.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jan 2016

I know anytime a robot calls, I hang the fuck up, as do higher proportions of people than with humans.

The results fluctuate by more than 10% per day!

The "finish" is ages away, the all-caps headlines on the site are a tipoff on the intellectual tenor of the outfit.

Emerson College-based, but a for-profit outfit (.com, there's a page for putting in bids) that exploits student labor.

"Methodology" at http://www.theecps.com/#!methodology/c1iwz.

Through the use of a screening question, we usually seek out "likely voters" which has been shown to give a much more representative sample of the populations for most political polling.


Our first step in weighting is to survey more than enough people. This allows us to then be able to systematically reject individual surveys from demographics that are over represented. Next, survey data is weighted with a 3 point decrease in Conservative opinion and a 3 point increase in Liberal opinion to offset the bias in land line only telephone polls.

For the Presidential Polling Initiative the following Methodology will be employed. First, all respondents who did not finish the survey is eliminated, then anyone who finished the survey in under 4 minutes is eliminated (based on 2 standard deviations and length of survey). If respondent said they did not vote in 2012 they are eliminated because prior voting behavior is the best predictor of future voting behaivor. Finally, using a rim weighting the results are weighted based on 2012 final election returns either nationally or by state depending on the sample and then by region (percentage of electoral vote for each region or total vote if it is a statewide poll).


All of which is arbitrary, especially given the extraordinary circumstances of 2016.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
18. 538 rates polling agencies
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jan 2016

CNN/ORC, which gave Bernie the 8 point lead is rated A-. You'd be right to tout the Monmouth 9+ Hillary figure, since they are also rated A-, although with a smaller sample size to judge from than ORC.

Emerson College, however, is rated C+. I'd be a little more cautious with that one.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/

Still, it will be interesting to see how it plays out with the ORC vs. Monmouth figures since they are so wide apart and both are reputable agencies. One friend speculated the difference may be due to Monmouth including more participants in the 65+ age bracket than in past cycles.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
19. Nate Silver gives this pollster a C+
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:58 AM
Jan 2016

So I am not so sure this data is that reliable.

Sam

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
22. Hillary's photo from your linked source
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jan 2016

This photo was on your linked article.
Words fail me.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
23. CNN poll: Sanders leads in Iowa
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders has edged out Hillary Clinton by 8 points in Iowa in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, per a new CNN/ORC poll released Thursday.
Sanders has eaten away at Clinton's lead among Democrats throughout the cycle, and has led her in recent New Hampshire polls.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/21/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-ted-cruz-iowa-poll/79129928/

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
26. Poll: Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders in Iowa by 9 points
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jan 2016

Released the same day but all I hear on the tube is the Cnn poll




Rebecca Shabad CBS News January 21, 2016, 10:33 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-in-iowa-by-9-points/
Poll: Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders in Iowa by 9 points



Hillary Clinton leads Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, by 9 percentage points in Iowa, according to a Monmouth College/KBUR-AM survey released Thursday.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
27. Locking
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jan 2016
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