The U.S. just sent a carrier strike group to confront China
Source: Navy Times
The U.S. Navy has dispatched a small armada to the South China Sea.
The carrier John C. Stennis, two destroyers, two cruisers and the 7th Fleet flagship have sailed into the disputed waters in recent days, according to military officials. The carrier strike group is the latest show of force in the tense region, with the U.S. asserting that China is militarizing the region to guard its excessive territorial claims.
Stennis is joined in the region by the cruisers Antietam and Mobile Bay, and the destroyers Chung-Hoon and Stockdale. The command ship Blue Ridge, the floating headquarters of the Japan-based 7th Fleet, is also in the area, en route to a port visit in the Philippines. Stennis deployed from Washington state on Jan. 15.
The Japan-based Antietam, officials said, was conducting a "routine patrol" separate from the Stennis, following up patrols conducted by the destroyer McCambell and the dock landing ship Ashland in late February.
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Read more: http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/03/03/stennis-strike-group-deployed-to-south-china-sea/81270736/
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)They are going to start a war with China. I guess China is not capitalist enough for the large corporations, because corporations are people too.
When are we going to learn that we are not the police of the freakin' world.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)China is trying to control several passages through international waters by building islands and bases on them to control international shipping. Maybe it's in the best interest that they be stopped.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Why should the US be stopping it? Is any US territory at stake here? Again, why is the job of the US to be the police of the freakin' world?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)might be at stake. It would be nice to get a better explanation of "why," though.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)could more than likely take different routes. This is just more bullshit.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)China is trying to control the free passage of trade through international waters, which is against international law.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Looking to exploit their ownership in oil & gas & mineral rights will just have to suck it.
"More than half of the worlds annual merchant fleet tonnage passes through these choke points, and a third of all maritime traffic worldwide. "
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"Roughly two thirds of South Koreas energy supplies, nearly 60 percent of Japans and Taiwans energy supplies, and 80 percent of Chinas crude oil imports come through the South China Sea.Whereas in the Persian Gulf only energy is transported, in the South China Sea you have energy, finished goods, and unfinished goods."
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Yet these specks of land, buffeted by typhoons, are valuable mainly because of the oil and natural gas that might lie nearby in the intricate, folded layers of rock beneath the sea. Brunei claims a southern reef of the Spratly Islands.
"Malaysia claims three islands in the Spratlys. The Philippines claims eight islands in the Spratlys and significant portions of the South China Sea. Vietnam, Taiwan, and China each claims much of the South China Sea, as well as all of the Spratly and Paracel island groups."
Yeah, it may be another fight about energy, but it isn't nothing. I do think we are all owed an explanation of why this is in our best interest.
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-the-south-china-sea-is-so-crucial-2015-2
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Why does the US have to be the police of the freakin' world?
christx30
(6,241 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:17 PM - Edit history (1)
anything beyond send a strongly worded letter. They do it when ISIS is beheading 10's of thousands in Syria and Iraq. They can impose sanctions, but China is a huge country with a very large manufacturing base. They have all the jobs that used to be in the US. They can honestly get along just fine without a lot of trade going on there.
To paraphrase Stalin, How many divisions does the UN have?
The United Nations did some genuine fighting, successfully, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Of course, this is a while different matter the UN is not capable of dealing with. But they get some credit (and some not-credit) for work in Africa.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)One of those five is China.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)This is a fairly decent article that does a little better job of describing what is going on than the MSM, which is more committed to pleasing the MIC.
Keep in mind China is watching as NATO is moving facilities (likely including Nuclear Weapons) right up to Russia's boundary. It is not illogical to think it better to push for a larger buffer/boundary. Many of the "old rules" have been breached and a lot of this is a result.
I can't vouch for the rest of the site.
3 Myths about Beijings South China Sea ambitions
http://globalriskinsights.com/2016/03/3-myths-about-beijings-south-china-sea-ambitions/
China has been accused of stoking regional tensions in the South China Sea. However, Chinas grievances in the dispute have often been misinterpreted for Beijing, the South China Sea is about national security.
Every few weeks China does something in the South China Sea which heightens tensions in the region. In doing so, it tarnishes its international image and damages important relationships it has spent decades fostering. So why does Beijing continue?
In a dispute as complex as the South China Sea, facts and opinions often become blurred. Here are three myths about China which are commonly thrown around:
To understand Chinas moves in the South China Sea is to understand its history and perception of its role in the world. Simply labelling Beijing aggressive ignores the point and promulgates the dispute.
First and foremost, Beijing views the South China Sea as a national security issue. Historically, Chinas inward-looking focus and neglect of the sea ultimately led to the century of humiliation when foreign powers forced Beijings hand and opened it up to international trade.
Foreign powers established their own judicial systems in major cities under a system of non-reciprocal extraterritoriality a concept which still evokes discomfort in China. Whenever Beijing attempted to take a stand, foreign powers would pillage cities along the coast and extract further concessions from the government, commonly known as the Opium Wars.
In the Chinese psyche, the century of humiliation began because Beijing was incapable of defending its coastline. Foreign powers arrived in China through the South China Sea and imposed trade at gunpoint, Chinas society and system of governance which had prospered for more than 1000 years was overturned in the space of a few decades.
Therefore, Chinas artificial island building and massive ramp up of naval activities is about safeguarding what it perceives as its backyard to prevent similar situations from happening again. Similarly, controlling trade flows in the South China Sea is Beijings insurance policy against economic crippling. After all, if a trade blockade were erected in the South China Sea, China would stand to lose the most.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)The main parties to the coalition South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Australia, Singapore, and India. The US is also looking to bring in Indonesia and Malaysia - Thailand has been slipping out of the US orbit due to sanctions on their non-elected government, and continued domestic strife, which is resulting in Thailand having better ties with China lately. This group effectively forms a ring around China, potentially capable of choking off all trade with China, thereby starving it if both raw materials and markets.
China has been forward leaning for some time, and has become increasingly assertive in the region, claiming everything it can, and then backing it with military force. There is no country in Asia that is capable of standing up to China on its own, and even a coalition backed by the United States is barely adequate. For the US to do nothing would be for the US to abandon half of the world's population to the whims of a small cadre in Beijing.
China's assertiveness is now approaching belligerence. Shall the US simply abandon Asia to Xi Jinping? We tried that once 80 years ago, and things did not turn out so well. China has some rather extreme economic and environmental woes, and the party is cracking down hard on dissent in China. As China's domestic problems increase, they are likely to attempt to distract a restive population with conflict - it is the tried and true method of governments everywhere.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)The String of Pearls theory is a geopolitical theory regarding potential Chinese intentions in the Indian Ocean region.[1] It refers to the network of Chinese military and commercial facilities and relationships along its sea lines of communication, which extend from the Chinese mainland to Port Sudan. The sea lines run through several major maritime choke points such as the Strait of Mandeb, the Strait of Malacca, the Strait of Hormuz and the Lombok Strait, as well as other strategic maritime centers in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, the Maldives and Somalia. The term as a geopolitical concept was first used in an internal United States Department of Defense report titled "Energy Futures in Asia".[2] The term has never been used by official Chinese government sources, but is often used in the Indian media.[3]
The emergence of the String of Pearls is indicative of Chinas growing geopolitical influence through concerted efforts to increase access to ports and airfields, expand and modernize military forces, and foster stronger diplomatic relationships with trading partners.[4] The Chinese government insists that Chinas burgeoning naval strategy is entirely peaceful in nature and designed solely for the protection of regional trade interests.[5] An analysis by The Economist also found the Chinese moves to be commercial in nature.[6] Although it has been claimed that China's actions are creating a security dilemma between China and India in the Indian Ocean, this has been questioned by some analysts who point to China's fundamental strategic vulnerabilities.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_of_Pearls_%28Indian_Ocean%29
fbc
(1,668 posts)or then we will definitely have war.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)One of the responsibilities of our Navy is Freedom of Navigation in international waters. The South China sea is international waters. China wants to believe that it can turn this large sea into it's territorial waters. Everybody else says bullshit and sailing ships through that sea is a way of pointing that out. A nation can intercept unauthorized warships in territorial waters, but such an act would be an act of war in international waters.
At some point China will either have to back down or attack our shipping. But the US Navy isn't going to stop protecting Freedom of Navigation.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)OUR responsibility? Who are we, the rulers of the freakin' world?
christx30
(6,241 posts)Malaysia? Vietnam? Taiwan? Philippines?
Which of those 4 nations in the South China sea do you think could put out a navy that can rival China and get them to back down?
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)If we (and other nations) don't defend the freedom of navigation of international waters, then our merchant shipping can be locked out.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)And it's natural that the U.S primarily fills this role since we have the most powerful navy and probably benefit the most from freedom of navigation. Protecting trade is the primary reason we developed our navy 200 years ago after all.
This past week though, we've proposed a quadrilateral effort between U.S., Japan, India, and Australia.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)For you, the U.S. can do nothing right. That is equally as stupid and Cruz and Trump.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)When the do the correct thing, I am proud of it. Unfortunately, lately there has not been much to be proud of.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)By gutting our economy, opening the floodgates to slave labor products, and shipping our jobs to China.
The oligarchs have lost all credibility and they are only hanging on through lies and coercion. And if you don't like that go to Kos' site where you can be brainwashed into supporting an other corporate sellout.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)so we cut you slack, for now
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)You can even rant about how if the oligarchs didn't act so selfishly, this would not have happened and so the entire problem is their fault. I would agree with that, too.
You van even rank about this proves that financial and industrial elite are no more capable of making rational decision than we peons and that maybe we could run the world better. I most definitely agree with that.
Meanwhile, we have a messy problem to deal with.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)way to go all you greedy, off-shoring, mother fuckers. China gave us their factory farms, shitty wages, no worker protections, no life.
In return, we gave them a nice military.
Seriously. Fuck you.
navarth
(5,927 posts)...and the next thing you know, jobs are pouring into China and out of America. Was it because he was afraid of war with them? Or did his corporate buddies want it? Did they think converting China to capitalism was a good way to rot them from the inside? Inquiring minds want to know.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And all for the sake of cheaper consumer goods and wealthier oligarchs...
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)The Blue Ridge is the oldest active duty ship in the Navy (not counting Old Ironsides of course), but is expected to remain in service for at least another couple decades.
MisterFred
(525 posts)But aren't many otherwise low-priority targets turned into command ships nowadays?
jalan48
(13,864 posts)So we are going to play bad with them? Looks like we need more money for the Defense Department to me (China will help us pay for it).
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)In the open waters or returning from their 6 month deployment...I remember well my son's return to Arlington Jan 2002 - USS Ingraham FFG-61 (now decommissioned) - when you stand on the docks and watch the ships come in, simply magnificent..of course, being his mother, the anticipation was overwhelming...when he entered the Navy his dad met him in Hawaii for the "tiger" cruise back to the states....lots of dads on the ship..
So many stories....so many places visited around the world..The learning experience alone was priceless..when he went into recruiting his mantra was "my rack, or Iraq" -
He retired 2008 after 21 years - ey ey Chief....the rest of the story - today a sixth grade teacher....
navarth
(5,927 posts)Wow, so he's got an aircraft carrier named after him. Hmm. As I remember, he was a reedy-voiced little racist twerp from the deep south.
Well, I guess you wouldn't see a warship named the S.S. Mahatma Ghandi.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)(Body of Christ)
The Navy had to do some word-smithing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_City_of_Corpus_Christi_(SSN-705)
The name might have been better for a hospital ship than for an attack nuclear submarine.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Him and Senator Carl Vison ("father of the two ocean Navy" and namesake of USS Carl Vinson laid the foundation of our present navy.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)And one carrier battle group would decimate their whole navy. They are trying to intimidate the smaller nations in the region. They will back down.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)This is just an exercise to show that we're getting something for all the money the Pentagon wastes.
Given China's ability to sink carriers, what purpose do they serve other than to intimidate nations that don't have the defenses to sink them instantly. And if push comes to shove, they can buy those missiles from China.
Fact is there's no way to justify the size of the navy we have. It's good for chest thumping, but that's about it.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)it's not that easy to sink a carrier and the size of our fleet is appropriate for the nation.