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Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:00 PM Mar 2016

Retired union workers to rally at State Capitol over pension cuts

Source: Star Tribune

The cuts to the giant Teamsters pension fund would affect more than 15,000 Minnesota retirees, many of whom are already retired and living on the monthly pension checks.

By Liz Sawyer

Hundreds of retired union workers and their families are expected to rally at the State Capitol on Saturday afternoon, demanding that drastic benefit cuts to the Teamsters Central States Pension Fund be stopped.

Trustees of the giant Teamsters pension fund want to reduce benefits for nearly 275,000 people around the country by an average of 34 percent, with some cuts totaling 60 percent or more. The proposal would affect more than 15,000 Minnesota retirees, many of whom are already retired and living on the monthly pension checks.

At 1 p.m., rank-and-file members, many of them retired truckers, will converge on the Capitol’s the lower mall to denounce the cuts that will reverberate in every Minnesota congressional district.

FULL story at link.


LIZ SAWYER, STAR TRIBUNE
Retired Teamsters workers rally Saturday at the State Capitol in St. Paul.

Read more: http://www.startribune.com/retired-union-workers-to-rally-at-state-capitol-over-pension-cuts/371873431/



We bailed out Wall St. Why not Main St???
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Retired union workers to rally at State Capitol over pension cuts (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2016 OP
So, work hard, stay out of trouble, follow all the rules, and get fucked! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #1
Are they willing to pay 4 or 5% interest Igel Mar 2016 #2
Not a link to back that crap up? Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author airplaneman Mar 2016 #9
So you attacked US workers because??? Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #10
I think very highly of you Omaha Steve. airplaneman Mar 2016 #11
I would rather you not Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #12
why are they at the statehouse? cling2reality Mar 2016 #3
You must have missed the Bush stock market crash? Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #5
There are over 1 million teamsters Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #6
contributions come from employers cling2reality Mar 2016 #7
It is also a regional fund, not a national fund Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #8
I feel sorry for everyone of them that vote democrat... olddad56 Mar 2016 #13

Igel

(35,300 posts)
2. Are they willing to pay 4 or 5% interest
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

and repay the debt in full in 5 years?

Oh, and just to make sure that there's no stigma attached, perhaps some pensions that aren't facing insolvency can be "offered" the same deal, with the threat that if they say 'no' and ever ask for help the response will be 'no'.

Those were the terms given most of the beneficiaries of the bail out. A few corporations failed to pay their monies back--some just went out of business-but interest covered that (assuming we ignore any opportunity costs of the bail out).

GM had some serious concessions to make and the government got a pile of stock. Most of which (perhaps by now, all) has been sold. Mostly at a profit for Uncle Sam.

No? Don't like those terms? Too harsh? If the terms are too harsh, then they're pretty much by definition not too cushy. You can pick one.

If they don't do something they'll probably get the same deal that corporate pensions like Beth Steel's got. When it goes belly up the pension guarantee trust fund will probably take it over and they'll get some really hefty reductions in benefits. Not a mere average keeping 66% of their pensions with pretty much no COLA. Ever.

Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
4. Not a link to back that crap up?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

Why so glum chum? US congress cut the Teamsters benefits to keep it out of the pension guarantee trust fund! Next time you want to pick on US workers, try to be informed. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity.

OS

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/congress-approves-pension-measure-that-could-cut-benefits-for-many/article_23217709-c99b-5dad-bb1b-8b1a76fbe6aa.html

Congress approves pension measure that could cut benefits for many retirees

By Jim Gallagher jgallagher@post-dispatch.com 314-340-8390 Dec 14, 2014

Updated to reflect Senate approval and to correct a figure.

Glenn Zichler worked 30 years driving a bread truck around St. Louis before retiring.

Now, he may be facing a sharp cut in his $33,600 annual pension. A provision just approved by Congress would let troubled multi-employer pension plans cut benefits for current retirees.

“It’s going to make it impossible to live. We may have to sell the house,” said Zilcher, who has a working wife, a son in college and a disabled daughter.

Thousands of retired truckers, miners, bakers and construction workers felt their financial security shaken as Congress considered the surprise move, which could reverse 40 years of pension law.

FULL story at link.

Secrets and Lies of the Bailout

The federal rescue of Wall Street didn’t fix the economy – it created a permanent bailout state based on a Ponzi-like confidence scheme. And the worst may be yet to come

BY MATT TAIBBI January 4, 2013

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/secret-and-lies-of-the-bailout-20130104

Snip: THEY LIED ABOUT LENDING

Once TARP passed, the government quickly began loaning out billions to some 500 banks that it deemed "healthy" and "viable." A few were cash loans, repayable at five percent within the first five years; other deals came due when a bank stock hit a predetermined price. As long as banks held TARP money, they were barred from paying out big cash bonuses to top executives.

But even before Summers promised Congress that banks would be required to increase lending as a condition for receiving bailout funds, officials had already decided not to even ask the banks to use the money to increase lending. In fact, they'd decided not to even ask banks to monitor what they did with the bailout money. Barofsky, the TARP inspector, asked Treasury to include a requirement forcing recipients to explain what they did with the taxpayer money. He was stunned when TARP administrator Kashkari rejected his proposal, telling him lenders would walk away from the program if they had to deal with too many conditions. "The banks won't participate," Kashkari said.

Barofsky, a former high-level drug prosecutor who was one of the only bailout officials who didn't come from Wall Street, didn't buy that cash-desperate banks would somehow turn down billions in aid. "It was like they were trembling with fear that the banks wouldn't take the money," he says. "I never found that terribly convincing."

In the end, there was no lending requirement attached to any aspect of the bailout, and there never would be. Banks used their hundreds of billions for almost every purpose under the sun – everything, that is, but lending to the homeowners and small businesses and cities they had destroyed. And one of the most disgusting uses they found for all their billions in free government money was to help them earn even more free government money.

FULL feature story at link.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/22/barack-obama/obama-says-automakers-have-paid-back-all-loans-it-/

Obama says automakers have paid back all the loans it got from his admin 'and more' (FALSE)

Snip: All told, the Treasury Department reported that the program cost taxpayers $79.7 billion, of which $70.4 billion was recovered. Under that estimate, the program lost about $9.3 billion. In April, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the program would end up costing about $14 billion.

The Obama administration, however, makes the case that only $57.3 billion of the investment came under their watch and therefore that should be all that they’re accountable for.

Let’s review the timeline, starting in 2008: Bush secured $700 billion to bailout the financial institutions under the Troubled Asset Relief Program in October 2008. In November of that year, Obama was elected and soon after met with Bush to discuss the transition. It was during those early meetings that Obama began to lobby Bush to provide some financial assistance for the auto industry, according to reports.

The New York Times wrote Bush had "balked at allowing the automakers to tap into the $700 billion bailout fund, despite warnings ... that General Motors might not survive the year."

FULL story at link.

Had enough or want more?

Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #4)

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
11. I think very highly of you Omaha Steve.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

I would say it is me who does not know what I am talking about so I will self delete.
Sorry.
-Airplane

cling2reality

(56 posts)
3. why are they at the statehouse?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

Shouldn't they be at Teamsters headquarters protesting. The pension trustees are making the cuts because they failed to manage their fund correctly.
Feel bad for the retirees but I don't know how the statehouse is gonna help.
Most people don't know, up until 2014 it was against the law to reduce benefits for current retirees. You could only cut benefits for those who had not yet began drawing benefits.
Congress passed law to allow this and Obama signed it:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-law-allows-cuts-in-multiemployer-pensions-2015-01-07


Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
5. You must have missed the Bush stock market crash?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

Obama passed it to keep the pension guarantee trust fund healthy.

See my reply above. Again they bailed Wall St. Bail out Main St.

OS
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
6. There are over 1 million teamsters
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

Cant they increase conttibutions to the retirement fund to sure it up?

cling2reality

(56 posts)
7. contributions come from employers
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

money for contributions must be negotiated in collective bargaining agreements. It is a difficult task to get an employer to put more money into a fund which is already in critical status. There is also the concept of being a contributing employer and having large potential withdrawal liability or having even larger increases to offset companies who go out of business, etc.

Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
8. It is also a regional fund, not a national fund
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

Between stocks performance, too many retirees, and not enough workers contributions going in it has a massive problem.

OS

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
13. I feel sorry for everyone of them that vote democrat...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

but the ones who voted for Bush, or tea party candidates, you voted for this type of treatment.

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