Sanders outraised and outspent Clinton in February, leaving him with $17 million cash on hand

[villager]

Source: Washington Post

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont continued his intense spending pace in February as he scrambled to catch up with former secretary of state Hillary Clinton in their race for the Democratic presidential nomination, according to campaign-finance details set to be filed Sunday.

Sanders outraised Clinton for the second month in a row, pulling in $43.5 million to her $30.1 million, according to a Sanders campaign official. But the new figures also indicate that he plowed through far more cash, spending $40.9 million to her $34.3 million. That left the senator with $17.2 million in the bank as March began, while Clinton had $30.8 million.

In all, Sanders has raised just under $140 million, powered by nearly 2 million donors who have repeatedly fed the campaign with small contributions online. Clinton, who this month secured her 1 millionth donor, has brought in nearly $161 million overall for her bid.

<snip>

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/20/sanders-outraised-and-outspent-clinton-in-february-leaving-him-with-17-million-cash-on-hand/

[LiberalElite]

1. I guess he should "suspend" now that he has all this money nt

[KittyWampus]

15. He should explain all the discrepencies (foreign donations) to the FEC

[billhicks76]

46. Lol. What A Joke

Now that's a desperate comment.

[Andy823]

2. He also has some problems

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/bernie-sanders-potentially-illegal-campaign-contributions


Bernie Sanders likes to sell himself as the panacea of campaign finance reforms. He rails all day against the horrific Citizens United decision of the Supreme Court.

It turns out, however, he may just be protesting a little too much. In February, the Federal Election Commission sent the Sanders campaign two letters breaking down the campaign's possible illegal and foreign contributions. Both letters - one addressing the campaign's quarterly report for the quarter ending in December and another addressing the campaign's January report point out two overriding themes in Sanders' campaign finance trouble besides for the fact that they don't seem to be able to add (in both letters, FEC noted the Sanders' campaign's problem balancing the ledger): illegal over-contributions and donations from foreign addresses not properly accounted for to confirm their US citizenship.

Bernie's campaign line has been to dismiss these concerns. So many people are donating to us, they say, it's mighty hard to keep the books straight on all of them.

But as the deadline for the Sanders campaign to respond to its first FEC notice nears on March 17, that explanation is woefully inadequate. As more and more states vote, voters deserve to know, definitively, whether Bernie Sanders is accepting illegal campaign donations from foreign nationals, and just what is keeping them from implementing a technologically simple check on who's donating how much money.

Interesting article.

[villager]

3. Gosh, I guess if a center-right blog says it, *it must be true!*

[Andy823]

4. It is true

You can do a google all by yourself and find other sources. Just because you don't want to hear things that shed a bad light on
Bernie doesn't mean it isn't true.

[reddread]

5. take a step forward then you turn to the right

[corkhead]

9. Maybe you should email that to Hillary

[Andy823]

14. I am sure she knows

Kind of hard I guess to think Bernie is not so "perfect" isn't it?

[olddad56]

42. He isn't perfect, just preferred of the billionaires.

Unless you are a billionaire, don't vote for one.

[lame54]

24. then why didn't you site another source...

not saying that are not there but it makes little sense to use this one to back your argument if there are more credible ones out there

[Dont call me Shirley]

56. Ooh maybe a few thousand dollars of outside donations while the other side has millions. Reality

Check!

[villager]

70. Exactly. Straws grasped.

And then flaunted. (If dubious links count as a "flaunt.." )

[FloridaBlues]

65. There's Been several stories regarding this possible violation

Don't think the FEC is going to let this drop
And they shouldn't .

[Andy823]

10. Here is another thread from Feb.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511219624

[calguy]

26. Well no, not exactly

the only way for a center-right blog to be true, according to BSers, is if it is a hit piece on Hillary.
Everything not glorifiying BS, according to BSers, is BS, right?

[Hekate]

31. Yes, any source with a hit piece on Hillary is fine....

.....even far-right sources.

[leftofcool]

30. You can find this at the FEC website.

[ebayfool]

67. Compliments of Andy823 ... Thanks Andy823, but it don't mean what you hope it meant!

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=3

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/619/201602250300038619/201602250300038619.pdf


snip/

The Federal Election Commission has asked the presidential campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to re-examine contributions from more than a hundred donors who appear to have given more than the legally permissible amount.

The vast majority of the donors gave several small contributions to Mr. Sanders for the Democratic primary that eventually totaled more than the $2,700 limit, according to a letter the election commission sent to Mr. Sanders on Thursday.

Such glitches are common in political campaigns, which are required to track small donors and begin itemizing their contributions when their total reaches $200. That can be harder when donors use slightly different variations of their names or contribute from more than one address. Mr. Sanders’s campaign may choose to refund the excess contributions or re-designate the excess for use in a general election campaign, when candidates can accept another $2,700.


(bolding is mine)


Having looked through these pdfs, this is much ado about nothing. The foreign donations that are listed are primarily $25, $35 - small recurring donations, listed only because they have a foreign address. Like Armed Services would have stationed overseas, American abroad, etc.

The listings for overages on contributions look to be recurring small donations that eventually totaled over $200. These are allowed to be rolled into the general election fund to total no more than $2700 per. Hard to do, when most are of the $25 to $100 per category.



Clinton's camp is gonna be disappointed if, IF!, they ever get around to reading their own links. Hillary prolly wishes she had this accounting problem!

[Nyan]

7. I saw this article brought up by H group about a week ago.

You got any new articles on this one? Besides the one by some obscure blogger?

Because it looks to me like a real serious issue.
I wonder. Why isn't anybody else besides this blogger going after this obviously corrupt candidate?
I'm serious. All the major news outlets ought to be accused of dereliction of duty, for failing to go after a presidential candidate whose corruption is out of control. And will somebody give this guy a Pulitzer? He's the only one who has the courage to stand up to Bernie Sanders bathed in big money interests.

http://www.theonion.com/article/bernie-sanders-clearly-pocket-high-rolling-teacher-50990

Just look at him. He's in the deep pocket of big nursing, big teaching...It's like this guy has no shame

[Andy823]

13. Google is you friend

Try a search. I just posted a link to another thread from Feb. Here it is for you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511219624

[ebayfool]

66. Compliments of Andy823 ...

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=3

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/619/201602250300038619/201602250300038619.pdf


snip/

The Federal Election Commission has asked the presidential campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to re-examine contributions from more than a hundred donors who appear to have given more than the legally permissible amount.

The vast majority of the donors gave several small contributions to Mr. Sanders for the Democratic primary that eventually totaled more than the $2,700 limit, according to a letter the election commission sent to Mr. Sanders on Thursday.

Such glitches are common in political campaigns, which are required to track small donors and begin itemizing their contributions when their total reaches $200. That can be harder when donors use slightly different variations of their names or contribute from more than one address. Mr. Sanders’s campaign may choose to refund the excess contributions or re-designate the excess for use in a general election campaign, when candidates can accept another $2,700.


(bolding is mine)


Having looked through these pdfs, this is much ado about nothing. The foreign donations that are listed are primarily $25, 35 - small recurring donations, listed only because they have a foreign address. Like Armed Services would have stationed overseas, American abroad, etc.

The listings for overages on contributions look to be recurring small donations that eventually totaled over $200. These are allowed to be rolled into the general election fund to total no more than $2700 per. Hard to do, when most are of the $25 to $100 per category.



Clinton's camp is gonna be disappointed if, IF!, they ever get around to reading their own links. Hillary prolly wishes she had this accounting problem!

[Silver_Witch]

21. Go post there they seem to be just like you...

DINOS! Even willing to post an article saying that there have to be failsafes for the democratic party to make sure us "rabble" don't vote in the wrong person.

Just like the original voting rules - only the wealthy and those who owned property were allowed to vote because Benjamin Franklin was terrified of the "rabble".

Well watch what the rabble will do now....

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

32. March 17th came and went. I don't see anything happening.

[JDPriestly]

43. Sanders has enough money to be able to return some of it and still be in good shape.

And it will take time for him too figure it out, especially the IDs of foreign contributions which may be from Americans livign abroad.

All he has to do is to save enough money to be able to return or give to charity donations he does not want to keep. It just takes time to get it straightened out.

Campaign finance law is very complicated.

Who knows how much of the Superpac money for the other candidates is really laundered foreign money?

And of course the superpac money does not have any donation limit.

Bernie's campaign will deal with this quite well, I'm sure.

Hillary does not have the ability to fundraise.

[davidpdx]

47. Probably most of it is from Americans overseas like myself

I've donated several times. I hold an American passport and live overseas as a permanent resident of South Korea. Prior to recently I noticed they only asked who my employer was and my occupation. It means they are going to have to put some resources in to contacting people and add the additional information.

It's not like the Chinese giving money to Bill Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

[ebayfool]

68. From what I saw, you're right. Lots of small, recurring donations.

Compliments of Andy823 ... Thanks Andy823, but it don't mean what you hope it meant!


http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=3

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/619/201602250300038619/201602250300038619.pdf


snip/

The Federal Election Commission has asked the presidential campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to re-examine contributions from more than a hundred donors who appear to have given more than the legally permissible amount.

The vast majority of the donors gave several small contributions to Mr. Sanders for the Democratic primary that eventually totaled more than the $2,700 limit, according to a letter the election commission sent to Mr. Sanders on Thursday.

Such glitches are common in political campaigns, which are required to track small donors and begin itemizing their contributions when their total reaches $200. That can be harder when donors use slightly different variations of their names or contribute from more than one address. Mr. Sanders’s campaign may choose to refund the excess contributions or re-designate the excess for use in a general election campaign, when candidates can accept another $2,700.


(bolding is mine)


Having looked through these pdfs, this is much ado about nothing. The foreign donations that are listed are primarily $25, $35 - small recurring donations, listed only because they have a foreign address. Like Armed Services would have stationed overseas, American abroad, etc.

The listings for overages on contributions look to be recurring small donations that eventually totaled over $200. These are allowed to be rolled into the general election fund to total no more than $2700 per. Hard to do, when most are of the $25 to $100 per category.



Clinton's camp is gonna be disappointed if, IF!, they ever get around to reading their own links. Hillary prolly wishes she had this accounting problem!

[shenmue]

6. But I thought money was bad

[Ed Suspicious]

8. You really missed his point.

[shenmue]

22. Nope

[TDale313]

29. Thanks for reminding me you should have been on ignore ages ago.

[Ed Suspicious]

33. Talk to yourself.

[progressoid]

35. Whoosh

[Earth_First]

62. Swing and a miss... nt

[Gregorian]

11. I've heard Hillary is having issues paying staff

I don't believe they can pay staff from those yuge superpac accounts.

[onenote]

18. Link? Or did you just hear that from "some people"?

As in "some people say".....

[MisterP]

19. even within her campaign the money flows to admen, spin doctors, speechwriters, and pollsters

and the poors get the carpool and the bounced check

[shenmue]

23. Ha

[villager]

57. Scintillating....

Complex, well-argued, etc...

'Bye!

[onenote]

20. By the way, you can look these things up.

Clinton's FEC reports show her campaign making disbursements for payroll in excess of $2.5 million in January and in February.

And with her large balance of available funds, there is no reason to think she's having any trouble making payroll in March.

[jwirr]

34. There is an article about her being the only campaign in Iowa

that did not reimburse several communities in Iowa for police time to protect her when she was in their town. I believe Marshalltown is one of them.

[progressoid]

37. I just posted the article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141384543#post36

[greymouse]

50. I remember during the campaign vs Obama, Hillary was

stiffing people. Not paying small businesses like caterers, etc. I don't know if all those businesses ever got paid. I think I saw some article later that said some payments were a year or two late, which can be the death knell for a small business.

[jwirr]

53. You know that with the money she has from her corporate

friends I cannot imagine why she could not pay her bills. But then she may not be managing her money that well. In February Bernie out spent her and got more donations for us little people and still had a great deal left.

[jeff47]

55. Reportedly, it took until 2012 to settle all the bills from her 2008 campaign. (nt)

[progressoid]

36. Police Frustrated with Clinton Campaign Over Unpaid Bills

http://whotv.com/2016/03/11/police-frustrated-with-clinton-campaign-over-unpaid-bills/


MARSHALLTOWN, Iowa -- The Clinton campaign says as soon as they receive an invoice, they'll pay the Des Moines Police Department for the services they provided at the Katy Perry concert last October.

City Hall provided Channel 13 a copy of the invoice that has already been sent. The invoice is dated Nov. 19, 2015. The bill is almost $1,800.

The Marshalltown Police Department is dealing with the same problem.

“We have requested reimbursement from the Clinton campaign. We haven't received that payment yet,” said Marshalltown Police Chief Michael Tupper.

Former President Bill Clinton was in Marshalltown on Jan. 15, and he requested and received security assistance from the department. Tupper said the Marshalltown Police Department has not been paid for the services provided that day.

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton held a much larger campaign event in Marshalltown a few weeks later on Jan. 26.

On Feb. 3, Tupper sent a letter to the Clinton campaign, detailing the charges of both her event and her husband’s. Tupper said after not receiving a response, he sent out another letter on March 11 for the bill that is just under $2,700.

...

Donald Trump also held an event in Marshalltown on the same day as Hillary Clinton. The cost of those services provided by Marshalltown police was about $3,600. Tupper said Trump’s check arrived Friday.

“In my 23-year career, the Trump campaign actually paying this large bill is the first time that's happened to me,” he said. “I’ve been doing this job for 23 years and quite honestly the Trump campaign actually reimbursing for these kinds of expenses is the first time that’s ever happened to me in my entire career, with one exception.”

Tupper said the one exception is Bernie Sanders, who also had an event in Marshalltown in January and made arrangements to pay up front.

[onenote]

38. No indication in the story that the delay in paying is due to an inability to pay.

And as the non-bolded part of the story indicates, Bernie and Trump paying for security is the exception not the rule.

[progressoid]

39. Well, if they have the money, pay the freakin' bills!

Imagine if they are doing this at every stop across the nation. Not only is it a lot of money, it's bad PR. It's pretty shitty to push this debt onto the local governments.

[onenote]

40. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

As I said, you can look these things up.

Here's a link to the March monthly FEC disbursements report for the Clinton campaign (for February).

If you check out the payee list, you'll see over a dozen payments to cities, counties, towns, police departments, etc.
http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2016/M3/C00575795/B_PAYEE_C00575795.html

[greymouse]

58. clearly not all the bills, however, or people wouldn't be waving unpaid bills in the air.

This is just poor management combined with despising people who have to work for a living and depend on being paid.

[onenote]

59. There are literally hundreds of bills paid to small businesses and individuals on that list

which I'm guessing you didn't bother to check.

And yes it's bad management to be late with paying some bills. But every campaign runs into issues with bills, reporting, etc. at some point.

The suggestion that was made at the top of this thread that Clinton was so cash-poor that she couldn't (as opposed to hasn't) paid these bills. That's clearly nonsense.

[greymouse]

60. right, she has the money, but she doesn't make sure everyone she owes is paid.

[TexasBushwhacker]

54. Well, that would be the staff she pays

Sanders is the only candidate that pays his interns ($10.10 an hour).

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-unpaid-interns/

[moonbeam23]

12. Good for him!

That's what money is for...to use...and if he needs more we will come up with it!

[Boomer]

16. I've made multiple donations

I want Sanders to use the money, to spend it on getting his word out.

[peacebird]

48. Guess it's time for another donation! #NotWithHer #StillSanders #FeelTheBern

[MrMickeysMom]

17. Great, but I want everyone to do more, naturally...

I want them to do EVERYTHING they can to help this campaign. Letter to editor, if you cannot provide a dollar amount, or better yet, phone banking, which has been made easy to do (I'm an open invitation, PM me, anyone), and let's not forget about getting out in your community with signs, flyers on the issues with Sanders versus his opponent....

It is that important. This is why he's supported by the people.

[Hiraeth]

25. Good for him. Keep on Berning.

[redstateblues]

27. Time to me chip in for Hillary again!

[Hekate]

28. Super. How much is he sharing with down-ballot races?

Won't be able to get much done unless Congress turns Blue, as Obama can attest. So I look forward to hearing about Sanders' plans to help the Party.

[notadmblnd]

64. SANDERS CAMPAIGN CMTE contributions to Democratic party committees

9 contributions totaling $226,521

http://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?f-core=1&pt-pt=1&d-eid=8206022

Show me HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON CAMPAIGN CMTE
contributions to candidates and committees

8 contributions totaling $6,425

http://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?f-core=1&d-eid=569313


Maybe you should worry a little more about what your gal is contributing?

[ebayfool]

69. Oops! Bwahahaha - there went that snotty little talking point!

TY for the link ... I will use it wisely!

[notadmblnd]

72. It's a great little website

They can't argue that the source is right wing either.

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. Shoulda won more

Just sayin'...

I am a Hillary supporter, and I've donated ZERO to Hillary so far. Not a dime.

Haven't felt the need to. She's winning just fine without me. Wallet opens for the general. It's not needed for this slight botherment. Have fun donating your $27, though. Never tried to stop people from doing shit that makes them feel better.

[JDPriestly]

44. Hillary started with a lot of name recognition.

Bernie has nearly caught up. And when he gets to the states in the West, especially on the West coast, he will have an unbelievable success.

Hillary should be worried.

I understand she is spending a lot on ads in Arizona. I have a friend who called for Bernie to Arizona and was delighted with the level of enthusiasm for Bernie. We shall see.

Arizona is not as liberal as California.

[AgadorSparticus]

45. I think she's saving up for the GE. She hasn't gone full throttle yet.

And I think AZ will go to Hillary.

[ret5hd]

49. Walmart's got your back!

[nc4bo]

51. #BernTheDollas! nt

[Cryptoad]

52. goes to show ya

it takes more than money to win

[nc4bo]

61. It certainly does and not in the good way you may be insinuating.

But.........she hasn't secured the big cheese yet so.......see ya around!

*smooches*

[notadmblnd]

63. I'll be sending him more on the 1st after my bills are paid.

nt

[Uncle Joe]

71. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, villager.