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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:09 AM Mar 2016

Top Islamic State commander killed, Pentagon says

Source: Washington Post

The U.S. military killed several key Islamic State figures this week, including a top commander serving as a finance minister, Secretary of Defense Ashton B. Carter said Friday.

U.S. officials said that Haji Imam has held a series of high-level roles in the Islamic State, and is part of a leadership core that traces back to the organization’s emergence as an al-Qaeda affiliate after the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

“We are systematically eliminating ISIL’s cabinet,” said Carter at a press briefing Friday, using an acronym for the Islamic State.

Imam is a “long time member, someone who forms connective tissue to the al-Qaeda in Iraq days,” a U.S. official said, adding that he was “closely associated and tied to Zarqawi.” Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian operative known for his brutal tactics, was head of the al-Qaeda franchise in Iraq until he was killed in a U.S. airstrike in 2006.

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Oneironaut

(5,493 posts)
4. Experience is important. A random villager from
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

Syria is less useful to ISIS than a scientist, or a general from the Syrian army. Assassinating the key members in an organization is key to destroying it. If you destroy the mold holding ISIS together, the organization crumbles.

ISIS is as much a bureaucracy as any other bureaucracy. This doesn't solve lone wolf attacks, but it hurts ISIS as a whole.

Oneironaut

(5,493 posts)
13. No doubt. They may not be as good as the previous person, though.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

The concept that "someone will just take their place" is true in general, but ignores the loss of talent, morale, and structure that happens when a big name gets assassinated. The other big names begin to wonder if they're next.

We need to make becoming an ISIS leader radioactive.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. That was a way of saying there is always some to fill the
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

vacuum. How many times did the W administration kill the second in command in Iraq?

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
3. In other news, ISIS promotes #3 to #2.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mar 2016

They seem pretty good at taking out people they believe are important, but it doesn't seem to be effective as they want us to think (or want to think themselves) I could be wrong though, as I haven't spoken with anyone from ISIS about how these deaths effect their ability to wage their stupid little jihad and govern their creepy little caliphate.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Rarely. #3 and #2 are hugely different
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

Most terrorist organizations are set up roughly like corporations, with a President of the board as #1 and a CEO as #2. These two tend to keep themselves pretty well insulated. #3 (it's usually "number three" that an air strike kills) is the COO, and as the operations chief he's generally much more exposed, which is why #3's have a much shorter life expectancy.

It's also a separate recruitment track; Operations guys come up from the trenches; the executives come from the fundraising circuit.

If you're a fan of "The Wire", the #1 is Avon, the #2 is Stringer, and the #3 is Shamrock

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
19. I guess it's just the years of seeing #2s come and go in these organizations
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

have me a bit underwhelmed. Wherever they come from, it seems like they have a pretty steady supply of competent replacements.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
6. Or maybe it's been extremely effective?
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

It's possible that there would have been far more attacks if they hadn't removed key people in the organization?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
7. Any successful force has leaders
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:09 PM
Mar 2016

Those leaders weren't just plucked at random from their ranks. And I have seen a chicken with it's head severed. They still dance around for some time - but their movements are purposeless and ineffective. With ISIL, there'll certainly be promotions to fill the voids as they come to pass. But the fighting forces will suffer for these replacement's lack of experience - most of their efforts being purposeless and ineffective.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
12. Sounds exactly the same as Bush Co's "Top Al Qaeda Chief killed"
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

Nothing ever changes with this shit no matter who is President.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
17. OK, I LOL'd
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:25 AM
Mar 2016

but I'll do more than that. I'll hoist a brew and toast this fucker's timely demise.

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