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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:48 PM Apr 2016

Trump: Tubman on the $20 bill is 'pure political correctness'

Source: CNN

Donald Trump thinks anti-slavery icon Harriet Tubman is "fantastic" -- but he says the move to have her replace seventh president Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill is "pure political correctness."

"Well, Andrew Jackson had a great history, and I think it's very rough when you take somebody off the bill," Trump said during a town hall on the "Today" show on NBC Thursday morning. "I think Harriet Tubman is fantastic, but I would love to leave Andrew Jackson or see if we can maybe come up with another denomination."

Trump suggested -- as Ben Carson also has -- that Tubman be put on the $2 bill, which is no longer printed.

The business mogul heaped praise on Jackson, whose presence on the $20 bill was criticized due to his history as a slave-owner and his dismal record on Native American and racial issues, epitomized by the Jackson administration's infamous "Trail of Tears" policy that forcibly relocated the Cherokee people to devastating effect.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politics/donald-trump-tubman-bill-political-correctness/



It is political correctness to honor Tubman, who died in 1913 at the age of 91, escaped slavery in the South and led hundreds of escaped slaves to freedom as a "conductor" of the Underground Railroad? Not to mention that she worked tirelessly for a woman's right to vote.
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Trump: Tubman on the $20 bill is 'pure political correctness' (Original Post) TomCADem Apr 2016 OP
Removing a Democrat and replacing him with a Republican! scscholar Apr 2016 #1
I don't think Jackson is much of a hero sharp_stick Apr 2016 #9
Replacing a slave owner with a militant abolitionist is political correctness? morningfog Apr 2016 #2
Some of the right wing sites that I've looked at christx30 Apr 2016 #6
Don't ever underestimate Trump Kilgore Apr 2016 #3
"In America... BumRushDaShow Apr 2016 #4
Watch out. I had a round with someone right there on DU earlier today about it. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #5
No, you didn't. You are confusing "founders of our government" (1700's) with those who fought vkkv Apr 2016 #27
Well to be frank, anyone could be on the bill except I would think a religious figure- silvershadow Apr 2016 #28
May Ivanka find love and happiness with an honest Arabian pauper Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #7
I heard that they are introducing a new denomination bill RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #8
And the $3 bill with Bush the Frat Boy on the front Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #10
You forgot Rhee Syngman, Augusto Pinochet, Suharto, Sukarno, Chiang Kai-Shek, Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #13
How about Moise Tshombe and Nicolae Ceausescu? Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #14
I know we backed Tito in Yugoslavia, but I don't think we backed Ceausescu because he was supported Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #15
We backed Ceausescu Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #20
Well, he and his insane wife earned their firing squad. Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #21
no, Donald - its just.....correct. CarrieLynne Apr 2016 #11
I can't believe this buffoon has gotten this far. Unicorn Apr 2016 #12
Bigots are very good at using it to try and achieve power as history has shown so its really cstanleytech Apr 2016 #23
Put Tubman on the $10. ozone_man Apr 2016 #16
Why not the 1$ bill instead or the quarter? cstanleytech Apr 2016 #24
I agree about Washington. ozone_man Apr 2016 #36
She is the antithesis of tRump. And that is one reason why he will never understand Americans. AllyCat Apr 2016 #17
I would venture to guess that the average... 3catwoman3 Apr 2016 #18
"Andrew Jackson had a great history." Donald Trump just scored an 'F' in American History. tclambert Apr 2016 #19
Why should he care? LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #22
What a loathsome sentiment! potone Apr 2016 #25
What Right-Wingers call "PC" is nothing more than DECENCY and FAIRNESS!! vkkv Apr 2016 #26
Trumpf is a racist and an utter dumb ass. roamer65 Apr 2016 #29
Trump's Racism Versus Cruz's Homophobia TomCADem Apr 2016 #33
Tubman on the 20... rusty quoin Apr 2016 #30
We could have easily LOST WWII WITHOUT women or African Americans... eom vkkv Apr 2016 #31
He's just angry that his picture isn't on the $20 DBoon Apr 2016 #32
The Lincoln penny tsites Apr 2016 #34
I'm sorry Andrew Jackson fans are offended Bradical79 Apr 2016 #35
When you've gotten your own way forever TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #37
This! smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #38
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
1. Removing a Democrat and replacing him with a Republican!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

From Wikipedia:

"He was the main founder of the modern Democratic Party and remains its iconic hero"

It's sad those Republicans are doing this. They'll do anything dirty to hurt us.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
9. I don't think Jackson is much of a hero
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

to the modern Democratic party and outside of the usual puke shitholes like newsmax and breitbart I don't think it's ever been said.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. Replacing a slave owner with a militant abolitionist is political correctness?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

What the fuck does that even mean?

Oh I know. It means "make America great again, white power is under siege!"

christx30

(6,241 posts)
6. Some of the right wing sites that I've looked at
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

have called her a criminal. But I think anyone that was a criminal by freeing slaves is someone worth learning from and honoring in any way necessary. And anyone that complied with that particular law is someone worthy of derision.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
4. "In America...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016
... we are culturally conditioned to believe, that White is superior, Black is inferior, and the manifestation of that cultural conditioning is that Black people are undervalued, underestimated and marginalized."

-Joe Madison
 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
27. No, you didn't. You are confusing "founders of our government" (1700's) with those who fought
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

for the freedom of slaves ( 1800's). Admirable yes, but not "founders of our government".

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
28. Well to be frank, anyone could be on the bill except I would think a religious figure-
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

whoops, my bad, in God we trust. We could do like other countries and put animals or birds. So yes, of course you are correct that we could.

We won't put a viking on there. Tubman is more than appropriate because of her actual place in the history of our country. The vikings played no role whatsoever in the founding of our country. The founding of our country occurred during an exact and specific time in history.

You are confusing our country with a place. Our country is within a document executed in this place.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
7. May Ivanka find love and happiness with an honest Arabian pauper
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:08 PM
Apr 2016

They will be married in the Mosque in Baghdad.

He'd still be a better man than you, Mr. Trump.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
8. I heard that they are introducing a new denomination bill
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

the 7 1/2 dollar bill, which will have Sarah Palin's picture on the front, and Ben Carson's picture on the back.
You betcha!

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
10. And the $3 bill with Bush the Frat Boy on the front
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

On the back will be King Faisal, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and Ngo Dinh Diem, Hall-of-Fame American allies.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
13. You forgot Rhee Syngman, Augusto Pinochet, Suharto, Sukarno, Chiang Kai-Shek,
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Batista, The Shah of Iran and our biggest good buddy after WW2, Francisco Franco.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
14. How about Moise Tshombe and Nicolae Ceausescu?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

We don't want it too crowded. There no way we can fit all the losers we've backed.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
15. I know we backed Tito in Yugoslavia, but I don't think we backed Ceausescu because he was supported
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

by Moscow as part of the Eastern Bloc nations.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. We backed Ceausescu
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

Ceausescu was very clever. He set himself apart from the rest of the Eastern bloc by declining to join in the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, condemning the invasion and styling himself as a Communist maverick. In fact, he was even more of an unreconstructed Stalinist than any other leader in Eastern Europe toward the end of the Cold War. His maverick shtick got him an awful lot of foreign aid from the West. However, he wanted to pay it back as quickly as possible and sold everything in Romania to foreigners to do so. This left nothing the people to eat and no medicine to heal the sick. The AIDS epidemic in Romania was among the world's worst, yet Ceausescu denied anyone in Romania had AIDS, calling it decadent bourgeois disease that doesn't happen in Socialist countries.

Of all the Communist dictators who fell from power at the end of the Cold War, Ceausescu was the only one to meet a bloody end. Ceausescu didn't trust the Romanian army and was supported by an elite corps that swore loyalty to Ceausescu, not Romania or the Communist Party. When Ceausescu and his equally unpopular wife, Elena, fled from Bucharest as the army sided with the people against him, fighting broke Ceausescu's personal corps fighting the people and the army. The rebels saw the best way to deal with this was to capture the Ceausescus, stage a show trial and sentence them to death by firing squad. All of this was accomplished in short order. There was no shortage of army personnel to volunteer to serve on the firing and soldiers drew lots for the honor. The execution was videotaped and aired on Romanian television. Once Ceausescu's elite guard saw the broadcast, they laid down their arms and fighting ceased.

Ceausescu left Romania debt-free, but the people suffered greatly from his methods of paying back to loans. Needless to say, they didn't appreciate Ceausescu's achievement of settling Romania's debts.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
12. I can't believe this buffoon has gotten this far.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

And I can't believe Hillary has with today's Democrats and her record.

I have to figure out a way back though the looking glass.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
23. Bigots are very good at using it to try and achieve power as history has shown so its really
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

not surprising to me that Trump is still around.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
16. Put Tubman on the $10.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

Leave Jackson on the $20. He was against central banking, what would become the FED. Hamilton was a philandering liar. But his vision became the central banking system and Fed of today. Not a good thing in my opinion.

Rather than putting women leaders on the back side, put them on the front. Put the men on reverse or some of our ideals like democracy, freedom, etc.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
36. I agree about Washington.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

He is still to darn popular, can't get rid of the paper dollar because of that popularity. We do need to get rid of it though and have a dollar coin replace it. One and two dollar coins, like in Australia and Canada, make more sense, especially the smaller coins of Australia. Start with the $5 bill in paper.

Regarding Hamilton/Jackson, Jackson was the Honorable one. The FED will keep their hero (Hamilton), and get rid of Jackson who was against the central banking that became the FED

If they're going to put women on the bills, put on the front face, not the rear face. Really?

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
18. I would venture to guess that the average...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:01 PM
Apr 2016

...American neither knows nor cares who is on any of our money, nor do they know or care about Andrew Jackson.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
19. "Andrew Jackson had a great history." Donald Trump just scored an 'F' in American History.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

What a Drumpf.

potone

(1,701 posts)
25. What a loathsome sentiment!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:42 PM
Apr 2016

Good lord, Andrew Jackson was not exactly the epitome of the ideals that we as Americans are supposed to hold dear. Harriet Tubman, on the other had, was, and she remains a powerful source of inspiration.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
26. What Right-Wingers call "PC" is nothing more than DECENCY and FAIRNESS!!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

- which FRIGHTENS the bejesus out of them.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
29. Trumpf is a racist and an utter dumb ass.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

He hates black people and the $2 is still being printed. There is a Series 2013 of it with Jack Lew's signature.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
30. Tubman on the 20...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

I cannot think of a better kick ass...in your face black woman better suited to replace the psychopathic Jackson. Her courage to do the right thing needs to be there on every 20.

She was great. He was a monster.

tsites

(36 posts)
34. The Lincoln penny
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

In 1909, there was a considerable uproar when Abraham Lincoln's image appeared on the penny. The outrage was not from confederate sympathizers, but from people who saw this as an affront to American democratic ideals. Never had the US mint issued a coin with the image of any real person, living or dead (early coins showing Washington were issued by individual states prior to to the 1789 constitution). It was considered bad taste and was associated with European royalty placing their own images on their coinage or seen as a deification of our leaders. Prior to 1909, the images on coins were all symbolic figures, animals and emblems. Though images of indigenous Americans appeared on some coins, care was taken to either use a rather stylized image (as in the penny prior to the Lincoln penny) or to use multiple models and create a composite image (as in some of the gold coins and the Nickle from 1913-1938). I think maybe that was a good idea and we should return to a "no person, living or dead" policy for our money.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
37. When you've gotten your own way forever
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

Equality can seem like discrimination.

Replacing the picture of a white, genocidal, double crossing slave owner with a black abolitionist it's not optical correctness, it's JUSTICE.

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