Pioneering Guitarist Lonnie Mack Dead at 74
Source: Guitar World
Guitarist and vocalist Lonnie Mack, known as one of rocks first true guitar heroesand a major influence on Stevie Ray Vaughandied Thursday, April 21, of natural causes at Centennial Medical Center near his home in Smithville, Tennessee. He was 74.
His early instrumental recordingsincluding "Wham!" and "Memphis"influenced many of rock's greatest players, including Vaughan, Eric Clapton, Duane Allman, Keith Richards and Jimmy Page.
Guitar World said, Mack attacked the strings with fast, aggressive single-string phrasing and a seamless rhythm style that significantly raised the guitar virtuoso bar and foreshadowed the arena-sized tones of guitar heroes to come. The Chicago Tribune wrote, With the wiggle of a whammy bar and a blinding run of notes up and down the neck of his classic Gibson Flying V, Lonnie Mack launched the modern guitar era.
Drawing from influences as diverse as rhythm and blues, country, gospel and rockabilly, Macks guitar work continues to be revered by generation after generation of musicians. He recorded a number of singles and a total of 11 albums for labels including Fraternity, Elektra, Alligator, Epic and Capitol.
Read more: http://www.guitarworld.com/artist-news/pioneering-guitarist-lonnie-mack-dead-74/29020
Another music great died yesterday without as much fanfare as he deserved.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)things up.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)An artist - sure. But a "hero"? How do you become a guitar hero?
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:56 AM - Edit history (14)
But I don't see many here celebrating him. Apparently one has to play electric guitar.
Not by my standards. I like rock okay, but no electric guitar can match this, no matter how loud it is played:
Note: the volume of the music is not in any way a measure of greatness. Amplification does not make it better. In fact, it makes it worse. What can one hear when ones eardrums are damaged?
Meanwhile there is a whole universe of music around one that doesn't include electrical amplification and eardrum bursting volume.
That is the measure of music, when louder does not mean better.
Like the sublime end to Mozart's Le Nozze di Figaro which I have heard three times in live performances. No loud electric guitars and drums can replace this:
Tutti contenti, "all are happy!" The end to a marvelous piece of music without electric guitars, which have their place as long as all music does not insist on them. (BTW, the production designer on this production should have taken out back and shot. It's a fucking 18th century narrative. Only an idiot would put such period costumes in such a set. And I have no more use for those who place this opera in anything like a modern setting. It is what it is BECAUSE it is placed in the late 18th century.)
Mostly, I despise rock music with some notable exceptions. The musical horizon is far broader, and far older.
Don't get me started about Medieval music and a certain 12th century polymath of the time, one the greatest composers ever: Hildegard Von Bingen
She was also a mathematician, a physician, a scientist, and an Abess. As I said, a polymath.
In all the history of music, there is a huge universe, a small part of which is loud electric guitars, which seem to be more about loud than music.
Note: several edits. Sorry. Just had to get this off my chest.
My best to you all.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)I wouldn't say that either lacks for celebration of their art.
As for the guitar, electronic amplification offers some unique advantages over their acoustic counterparts. The volume itself is one - the classical guitar repertoire is largely limited to solo, small chamber, and carefully arranged concertos because the guitar does not have the volume to keep up with an orchestra. Another is the potential for timbrel modification of the amplified signal. Most of the great composers made great use of innovations in instrument design that allowed for a wider variety of possible sounds.
longship
(40,416 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:58 PM - Edit history (4)
And as to guitar concertos, I would say that the Romeros and Andre Segovia might disagree.
You are so fucking busted on this.
First, the Romeros:
And then a little Andre Segovia, playing Bach, of course:
There were no microphones in these performances nor any fucking loudspeakers.
And here IS a guitar concerto, BTW, with no amplification. This is how one plays fucking guitar:
This is what a guitar can do without amplification and with a much more amplification other than ear-splitting volume. Expansion comes not from mere volume, but from expanding ones horizon about what music is about. And that has been happening for centuries, all good. (One would guess until, in the latter part of the 20th century, that music turned into monolithic and calcified loud rock-n-roll rubbish.)
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)The Segovia one is a solo. In the other one, there are 5 guitars, and the rest of the orchestra isn't playing much.
Take a look at this - probably the most well-known guitar concerto ever written:
Notice how that any time the soloist is playing, the rest of the orchestra is playing very quietly, and whenever there is even a medium string swell, the guitar is nearly inaudible? And that's with a medium-sized orchestra. Imagine trying to blend a guitar into a Wagner sized orchestra going full tilt. Like I said, the guitar lends itself to solo and chamber music, but in large ensembles, a lot of care needs to be taken in the arrangement for the guitar to stand out.
Even in the jazz and popular music world, the electric guitar came about because the guitar, while a popular instrument, had trouble with keeping up in volume with larger bands that included loud instruments like saxaphones, drums, banjos, and assorted brass.
Thanks for the clips - classical guitar transcriptions of Bach is among my favorite music ever, especially played by a master like Segovia.
(also, obviously there were microphones - otherwise the performances wouldn't have been recorded )
longship
(40,416 posts)I mean, how in the fucking hell are you going to record it? But to those ignorant buffoons who have never been in a concert hall have no idea that there are no loudspeakers to help.
I have been to many opera performances, and orchestral performances.
Absolutely none have had loudspeakers on the stage. I stood at the top of The Metropolitan Opera at Lincoln Center to hear Sherill Milnes sing Figaro; Frederica von Stada sang Cherubino. But without amplification, at the top of the hall, one could hear every word, albeit in Italian. (However, knowing the story, that did not make any difference.)
I have been in prime seats to hear Andre Previn conduct the LSO. And don't get me started about Salome at the Detroit Opera House, with amongst the largest orchestra pits anywhere -- there were five fucking string basses! One does not need loudspeakers with such forces. One is pressed back into ones seat by the shear volume -- without ear damage.
Q: What kind of music needs loudspeakers and big amplifiers?
A: That music which presupposes that louder is better.
The history of music begs to differ. That is why I haven't listened to so-called rock-n-roll for many decades. It offers nothing but loud noise, with notable, and rare, exceptions.
I rest my case.
Throd
(7,208 posts)that I can't get on my acoustic flamenco guitar. Two different tools for two different purposes.
longship
(40,416 posts)Amplification is just an excuse for LOUDER IS BETTER! Which my clips falsify, as there is no amplification other than the recording. Certainly there was none in the performance hall, nor was it necessary.
And feedback is just noise. Useless noise. Might as well smash ones electric guitar on the stage, or set it to flames, which sadly some have called music. I call it "not music".
Throd
(7,208 posts)The guitar smashing and flames isn't music, it's part of the performance. By your standards, creative lighting, set design, and costumes are a waste of time too.
longship
(40,416 posts)Nor is it music. But there ARE flames in opera. Consider The Ring of the Nibelungen. Lots of flames in that one. Also, Mozart's Die Zauberflöte. But nobody left a Wagner performance with hearing damage, which seems to be the metric of rock and roll so-called music for some time now.
That is why I gave it up. What about hearing damage makes things better?
I understand music. As Duke Elligton wisely said, "If it sounds good, it IS good."
And louder does not make it better. I mostly despise rock because of that. Plus, the fact of its monolithic instrumentation, where everything has to be electric guitar.
Who made that rule? What idiocy. And who calls what they do singing?
THIS is singing!
As is this:
And in performance, these require no loudspeakers. Even today.
Throd
(7,208 posts)I don't think Duke Ellington was referring only to music that sounds good to YOU.
longship
(40,416 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:25 PM - Edit history (1)
Loud is better?
Apparently that is the deal. Ear drum breaking is better than... Well anything. Crank it up.
Or maybe just make music. I prefer that.
Rock and roll has a bad side. That is why I left it behind.
Plus, I rather like Hildegard Von Bingen, Monteverdi, Scarlatti, Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Rossini, Schubert, Brahms, Mahler, Richard Strauss, Wagner, Ives, Puccini, Alban Berg, Vaughan Williams, Elgar, Glass, and many others.
I also like the Beatles and...
The Fleetwoods.
And you are right, the Duke was not speaking about my taste in music.
I just reject the concepts that louder is better, and that all music has to be electric guitar, bass and drums. What idiocy is that? I know. MTV idiocy. They never heard of Bach, or Mozart, or even Duke Ellington.
Have some Benny Goodman.
That's the incomparable Gene Krupa on drums, Jessy Stacy on piano, and of course, Benny on clarinet. With a big band cast of others. Astounding music. Recorded in 1938.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Christian turned the electric guitar into a solo instrument that could carry an orchestra.
--imm
longship
(40,416 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:47 PM - Edit history (1)
They also had a long association.
Then, there's Goodman playing Mozart!
(Edit: a better link)
Holy shit! He could play music!
No wonder! He had good folks with him. But I'll bet my bottom dollar that Charlie Christian didn't make people's ears bleed or that he either destroyed his guitar or set it on fire on stage. It was his musical instrument, just like Benny's clarinet, or Lionel's vibraphones, or Krupa's drums. And they all understood that music requires dynamics, both soft and loud, to get the fucking message across. No guitar fires required.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)But I do think you are being a bit closeminded about both electric guitars and popular music. Lots of contemporary composers use electric guitars and popular music stylings in their music. William Bolcom, Glenn Branca, Rhys Chatham, Peter Maxwell Davies, Steve Mackey, and Steve Reich all come to mind.
(also, you mentioned liking Glass in one of your other posts - a lot of his concerts were well known for being incredibly loud, especially in his early days)
Also, the tone of a lot of your posts make it sound like you think that classical music is totally unknown to popular music fans. If so, this is a pretty presumptuous and dismissive attitude.
longship
(40,416 posts)However my personal experience counters any such argument that the public knows about classical music, or about music in general. After all, a vast proportion of folks think that one who had demonstrably no taste whatsoever was the "King of Rock and Roll". Nope, that wasn't Pat Boone, although the description would apply to him, too. There are many who might be called the kings (or queens) of rock and roll. None of them in my universe would be named Elvis Presley, whose taste was universally sleazy and oily, and whose music was equally so.
That is when music took a nose dive.
I blame Ed Sullivan.
BTW, I like Steve Reich, some of his anyway.
longship
(40,416 posts)I heard parts of it throughout my musical explorations, but the Met did the whole thing on one of their Saturday matinee broadcasts. Ghandi and MLK Jr. It was jaw dropping experience, as good music ought to be.
I wish you the best. And keep on exploring.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)yardwork. It was wonderful.
longship
(40,416 posts)Check out my Benny Goodman clip, upthread. "Sing, Sing, Sing." Fucking Gene Krupa on drums. Recorded in 1938 at Carnegie Hall. One of the greatest live recordings ever. Brought the house down.
My best to you.
Music! What an astounding adventure when one treads off the path.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)neohippie
(1,142 posts)Stevie Ray Vaughn, Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Jeff Beck, Ray Benson, Bootsy Collins all say he was a huge influence, and the fact that he helped evolve the rock and roll guitar solo all could be reasons why he is considered a hero
More here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Mack
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)That guitar wasn't designed for rock & roll, but Mack influenced an entire era of heavy metal players who loved the sound he crafted.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)He took a brand new 1956 Gibson Flying V and played it like hundreds of artists after him. That guitar wasn't designed for rock & roll, but it became hard to find a heavy metal band in the '80s that didn't use one because of the sound Lonnie Mack crafted 20 years before.
You could ask many a young guitar player who their hero is, who made them pick up the instrument and start playing, and Lonnie Mack's name comes up frequently. If not him, then it's someone who was influenced by him.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)jazz? country?
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)Futuristic rock hardware like the Flying V and the Les Paul were designed mostly for country crooners and blues artists who wanted an avant instrument on stage. They didn't sell very well to that conservative crowd and was discontinued a year later. Production wasn't picked up again until the mid '60s when rockers like The Kinks entered the scene. It may have seen some jazz service, but I'm not well schooled in that. They really wailed so that doesn't fit in with the mellow genre. Look down a couple posts for my YouTube clips to see what I mean.
I was mistaken about Mack's Flying V however. Although he also played several newer models during a night's performance, his original guitar was a 1958, the first year of production. When he played a later model he said it felt like a little toy in his hands. That guitar of Lonnie Mack's is worth hundreds of thousands today, even more for the provenance. I hope it goes to the R&R Hall Of Fame.
20 essential facts about the Flying V:
http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/The-Gibson-Flying-V--20-Essential-Facts.aspx
Jokerman
(3,518 posts)Including once in a bar so small that there couldn't have been more than thirty people in attendance.
He hung around and chatted with the crowd after the show, it was awesome.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)He was very friendly. Great guy and great performer.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...Dana Point, California, 1986.
Outstanding performance with three all-time greats.
Hasta siempre, Hermano!
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Bob Loblaw
(1,900 posts)at Jake's in Bloomington many years ago. No other sound like his Flying V, apparently one of the first off the line. Had a brief conversation with him and he thanked me for coming to the show. Think I'll go stash some Oreos in the glove box in his honor.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)His guitar playing was much more my style and I was hoping to see him one more time before one of us died. I guess I won in a way but now the empty spot is in me
The first time I saw him in a little club in Cleveland he hefted that huge 1956 Flying V and told us to "put in your earplugs", then kicked into a blazing 45 minute set. Christ, was he good. Strike Like Lightning.
I'm going to put in a CD on the kitchen Sansui. Thank goodness he left me with that.
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