State Department Blocks Release Of Hillary Clinton-Era TPP Emails Until After The Election

[antigop]

Source: ibtimes

Trade is a hot issue in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. But correspondence from Hillary Clinton and her top State Department aides about a controversial 12-nation trade deal will not be available for public review — at least not until after the election. The Obama administration abruptly blocked the release of Clinton’s State Department correspondence about the so-called Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), after first saying it expected to produce the emails this spring.

The decision came in response to International Business Times' open records request for correspondence between Clinton’s State Department office and the United States Trade Representative. The request, which was submitted in July 2015, specifically asked for all such correspondence that made reference to the TPP.

The State Department originally said it estimated the request would be completed by April 2016. Last week the agency said it had completed the search process for the correspondence but also said it was delaying the completion of the request until late November 2016 — weeks after the presidential election. The delay was issued in the same week the Obama administration filed a court motion to try to kill a lawsuit aimed at forcing the federal government to more quickly comply with open records requests for Clinton-era State Department documents.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/state-department-blocks-release-hillary-clinton-era-tpp-emails-until-after

[phazed0]

1. Outrageous. nt

[lewebley3]

62. Sanders has lost: This more propaganda from a dying campaign.

[phazed0]

65. So the State department isn't holding them back? What? nt

[lewebley3]

73. It's a moot point: Hillary has done nothing wrong

[phazed0]

81. Lol. Please. nt

[katsy]

83. I'm not religious.

I limit my sharing of "beliefs" as it is meaningless except to myself & my inner circle.

"Beliefs" "intuition" "faith" "trust" are not terms I ever apply to any politician. Ever.

There is only one way to know what you're buying this election season... Sunshine. Proof. Verification. Transparency.

Everything else is bullshit nonsense. So when you say HRC hasn't done anything wrong, I want the proof that she is not lying, deceiving, triangulating, obfuscating and the only way to know who HRC is... Her verifiable history & documentation.

When posters say HRC has done nothing wrong... I'll assume that's some sort of mental masturbation to sway no ones opinion on this discussion board. Totally meaningless, valueless garbage.

Voters have the right to know who they are buying.

[SouthernDemLinda]

125. Russell's teapot

It's like belief in a celestial teapot.

[katsy]

134. Ty. Exactly 👍🏼 nt

[avaistheone1]

143. What you said.

[OwlinAZ]

96. You seem to know nothing about Hillary's history

[roguevalley]

103. the problem with HRC is that we do know her history. This ia a deal breaker for me. I know she wants

it but Obama holding them back doesn't help her. It confirms she's for it and lied on the trail.

[cstanleytech]

179. Unless you were actually considering voting for her I doubt its a deal breaker.

As for me the withholding until after the election makes sense as it would put undo burden on her that wouldnt be on others in other words Bernie and Trump arent being required by law to reveal their emails for example which this would essentially do to Hillary so the playing field needs to be kept as level as possible thus the delay makes sense imo.

[rpannier]

182. That would be b4ecause they haven't held the positions in gov't she has

Trump has never held a position in government, so his burden is different than Clinton or Sanders
His dealings with the government should be a matter of record for people to look at
The TPP has slowly unraveled in several places (France for example and the issues involving Malaysia are a gift that keep on giving). She has been a public supporter of free trade laws in the past and now she isn't.
IMO people have the right to know what she did and why
It's not about leveling the playing field, it's about giving people information that government officials were involved in that directly impact(ed) their lives

[cstanleytech]

183. We already know she did her job and worked to get it passed though. nt

[rpannier]

185. And I think people are entitled to know the process

Who was involved, what promises were made, details, etc
I still would like to know under what provision they raised Malaysia's HR level so they could stay in the TPP and who authorized it (even though I know it wasn't Clinton because I'm pretty sure she had departed by then)
I admit, this isn't entirely about her or her campaign

[cstanleytech]

190. If she was a total unknown maybe but shes been in the public light for decades

so I dont object to the delay and forgive me but my cynical side suspects that alot of the ones pushing back and making the most noise have little to no real interest in learning more about her or her motives but rather their motive is simply to twist and distort whatever might be in these emails in and effort to stir up shit.

[nikto]

203. What you said

[zentrum]

120. Then why not release them

.....and remove the cloud of suspicion and behavior of evasion? Seems an easy fix. Release them and display her innocence.

[SouthernDemLinda]

127. Why would we vote for anyone linked to an FBI investigation

Relevant Excerpts From:

HUFFPOST POLOTICS

THE BLOG

If America Can’t See Hillary Clinton’s 22 Top Secret Emails, Democrats Must Nominate Bernie Sanders

03/23/2016 09:52 am ET
H. A. Goodman Columnist published in The Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Baltimore Sun, The Hill, Salon, The Jerusalem Post www.hagoodman.com

Hillary Clinton is being investigated by the FBI and faces the risk of indictment. Thus, if you fear a Trump presidency, you better vote for Bernie Sanders, especially since nobody knows why Clinton owned a private server in the first place. This private server, and the “Top Secret” information on this server, will ultimately make Bernie Sanders the Democratic nominee. Bernie Sanders can easily win the primary race, but the FBI investigation will make him the only way Democrats stop Donald Trump.

The FBI and Justice Department aren’t going to set a dangerous precedent for future secretaries of state, and future presidents, by allowing government officials to act like Hillary Clinton; without legal consequences.

As stated in a CNN article titled State Department will not release 22 ‘top secret’ Clinton emails, there was never an issue with the classification of these documents:

If Americans can’t see these “Top Secret” emails, and the State Department and other agencies refuse to show the public what they contain, then FBI and Justice Department indictments are likely imminent.

Either through negligence, or political utility (the basis for intent), the most sensitive U.S. intelligence was stored on an unguarded private server in the basement of a house. If Clinton doesn’t get indicted, then precedent has been set for a President Trump, or the future Dick Cheney’s of the world to act in a similar manner.

When Hillary Clinton stated her “predecessors did the same thing” with email, this statement was rated “Mostly False” by POLTIFACT.

Nobody in U.S. history, since the invention of email, has acted in the manner of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. Previous secretaries of state weren’t investigated by the FBI, and never used a private server exclusively. Thus, a Democratic nominee at risk of indictment, or incited by the Justice Department at the request of the FBI, will lose to any Republican on November 8, 2016.

I explain why Democrats need Bernie Sanders now, more than ever, in this YouTube segment. The FBI votes soon, and they aren’t voting out of fear of Donald Trump, they’ll be voting to ensure future government officials don’t act like Hillary Clinton.

Also, if Bernie Sanders isn’t the nominee, then it’s possible the FBI could recommend indictment after Clinton’s nomination, which would mean a Republican victory. There’s no official end date to the FBI’s investigation, although some sources say the FBI investigation could conclude in “early May.” One can only imagine a GOP political strategy against Clinton, with the possibility that a Democrat could have broken laws under the Espionage Act.

The FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails is ongoing, the FBI formally confirmed its investigation only one month ago, and 22 “Top Secret” emails on Clinton’s private server will never be shown to the public. Furthermore, Reuters explains certain aspects regarding intelligence ignored by the Clinton campaign in a piece titled What everyone with a Top Secret security clearance knows - or should know:

Finally, the FBI’s own website serves as the foundation for future indictments against Hillary Clinton, and the foundation for Bernie Sanders becoming Democratic nominee, if Democrats have any hope of winning in November. In a section of the FBI website focusing on Cyber Threats, FBI Director James Comey’s 2015 speech might provide a new way of evaluating Clinton’s email fiasco:

In the Cyber Threat section of the FBI’s own website, we see why Clinton’s email investigation will likely lead to repercussions. The fact that even American voters can’t see the 22 “Top Secret” emails on Clinton’s private server means that Clinton’s server stored information that shouldn’t have been outside government networks.

Like James Comey stated, the cyber arena is “where our nation’s critical infrastructure is, that’s where our government’s secrets are.” If cyber is indeed a “vector,” like Mr. Comey states, Hillary Clinton put the nation in jeopardy. For this reason, former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates believes Iran, China, and Russia may have gotten to Clinton’s server. In addition, Lt. General Michael Flynn believes Clinton should “drop out” of the race, in part because “If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail.” Finally, Edward Snowden states it’s “ridiculous” to think Clinton’s emails were secure.

I’m never voting for anyone linked to an FBI investigation, and I state my case to write-in Bernie Sanders (if Clinton is nominated) in this YouTube segment. I also have a polite message to people who don’t like my thoughts in this YouTube segment. When the FBI votes, Democrats must rally around Bernie Sanders, especially since Americans won’t elect a person under indictment.

Follow H. A. Goodman on Twitter: www.twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR

[JDPriestly]

133. Perhaps not. But if information that would harm Hillary's political future is being withheld

by a government agency in order to support her or help her candidacy, then the question arises as to whether government resources are being used for political purposes.

And that could be (and I don't know whether it is or whether the OP article is factual) a legal problem for someone. Not Hillary. Goodness no. But government authority and resources theoretically should not be used to influence the outcomes of elections. I suppose that they often are, but if the article says what I think it says, this may be a rather blatant instance of this.

The TPP is an utter abomination -- not because of its trade implications but because of its environmental and legal implications and the danger it poses to American and other national sovereignties.

Whether Hillary has done anything wrong should not be the concern here.

[markpkessinger]

145. You may be right that she has done nothing illegal . . .

. . . but in the minds of many voters, particularly among the many independent voters whose support she must draw in order to win, by refusing to release these emails, she further adds to her own deficit of trust among voters, who can only conclude that her very recent and very abrupt 180 on the TPP was nothing more than a craven ploy to attract Democrats who strongly oppose that deal.

And if you think for one moment that Trump won't have a field day with this . . .

[GRhodes]

154. Says you

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:32 PM - Edit history (1)

I would like to decide for myself. Might seem odd, but people like thinking for themselves. This is bound to help her with trustworthiness.

[blackspade]

167. This is about the TPP, not "wrong doing"

But way to make an attempt at deflection.

[All in it together]

175. If she did nothing wrong why hide her TPP emails

That tell her real thoughts on the matter.

[cstanleytech]

180. I suspect its not that she did anything criminal

rather its more likely along the lines of trying not to provide free ammo to Trump and Bernie while leaving Hillary unarmed and causing it to look like the government tried to rig the election in favor of Bernie or Trump.

[rhett o rick]

196. Is that what you repeat to yourself over and over hoping beyond hope that it's true?

[lewebley3]

214. I have to repeat because Sanders repeatedly lie:

[thesquanderer]

70. ibtimes is a Sanders propaganda outfit? (n/t)

[sulphurdunn]

92. The International Business Times

is not affiliated with the Sander's campaign. Facts obviously never get in the way of HRC worship.

[AzDar]

116. You should probably look that word up...

[woodsprite]

128. No, the American voters have lost. n/t

[GRhodes]

153. This only impacts Bernie Sanders?

What kind of pathetic mindset is that? This is something that should be condemned no matter who you support and has implications beyond the election. Obvious to anyone outside the bubble, which is shrinking by the way.

[stupidicus]

165. thanks for showcasing your tacit approval with an indefensible and silly dodge

[PoliticalMalcontent]

205. This has nothing to do with Sanders and everything to do with transparency in politics.

As much of an oxymoron as that is, it should be something to strive for.

More information is better, you know? It is when people say, 'nothing to see here' that my interest becomes piqued.

[lewebley3]

213. No body is saying nothing to see here: Sanders people whinning

[jalan48]

2. Democracy, American style.

[maxsolomon]

157. Democracy, Planet-Earth Style

I don't know that even the sainted Canadians wouldn't play politics with the GOP's FOIA Fishing Expedition.

[Cassiopeia]

3. I'm shocked!

[Scalded Nun]

4. All those surprised by this, holler now

*crickets*

[think]

5. "The Gold Standard" will not be discussed...

[lewebley3]

63. Its has been discussed and and debunked: as well as Sander failing campaign

[think]

86. So she won't sign the TPP then right?

[MisterFred]

122. Heh :)

[SouthernDemLinda]

173. They will scream wildly, if you suggest huldufólk or elves don't exist!

In Iceland most of the people believe in elves. The ability to see the huldufolk, or hidden folk, can't be learned; you're just born with it. The elves live in another dimension and are invisible to most people.

There is no way to prove elves exist because their presence is something that you just sense. There is widespread folklore in Iceland that occasionally disrupts business.

Construction projects have been delayed because it had to defer to an expert to scour the site and certify that no elves were on or under it. Any mishap is attributed to the elves; planning councils in towns with sizable elf populations try to keep elfin-interests in mind. Remind you of anything?

[libdem4life]

137. Is this a closed loop tape?

[Omaha Steve]

6. Obama covers his butt too

We the people, well...

[lewebley3]

66. Obama is very honest and: Has most of the time made the right choices

[bkkyosemite]

7. Corrupt as hell. If everything that needs to be released was she would have not gotten

much of any votes.

[christx30]

8. *shrugs*

At least she's not racist like Trump?
Trying to see a silver lining here.

[tk2kewl]

11. not like trump... in a kinder gentler way

[tularetom]

31. No, she's not racist "like Trump"

She's racist in a less blatant, more insidious way.

[ripcord]

97. What has the Democratic party cone to

When all people can say about our presumptive nominee is that she isn't Trump?

[markpkessinger]

142. Setting the bar pretty low, don't you think? n/t

[christx30]

174. Well, she's our nominee. Not much can be done about that

at this point. I would have preferred Bernie Sanders, but oh well. And even at her worst, she's still a better choice than Trump. But, again, we're still voting for the lesser of two evils.

[Hoppy]

144. I don't think Sarah Palin is racist, either. Lets vote for her.

At least we would have comedy while the county goes into further decline.

[SouthernDemLinda]

159. At least! "Thank heaven (or thank Gawd!) for small mercies!

Racial tensions roil Democratic race
By Ben Smith
01/11/08 03:04 PM EST
Updated 01/11/08 06:41 PM EST

A series of comments from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband and her supporters are spurring a racial backlash and adding a divisive edge to the presidential primary as the candidates head south to heavily African-American South Carolina.

The comments, which ranged from the New York senator appearing to diminish the role of Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights movement — an aide later said she misspoke — to Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama’s image in the media as a “fairy tale” — generated outrage on black radio, black blogs and cable television. And now they've drawn the attention of prominent African-American politicians.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2008/01/racial-tensions-roil-democratic-race-007845#ixzz4AqOJyLYC
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

[djean111]

9. Could it be that she is totally fucking lying about her stance on the TPP?

Of course. That's why she is not worth listening to.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. I do have a bet with my sister that KXL will get approved within her first year in office.

.


There are too many Democrats and Republicans in congress who are financially invested in the project.


.

[Shemp Howard]

56. I think you'll win that bet.

But I predict that they will rename the project in an attempt to confuse the average person. Maybe they'll call it the "Energy Initiative" or something like that.

[thesquanderer]

68. It depends on the price of oil.

KXL was easy to derail once it was no longer going to be terribly profitable. Things will change if oil gets back to $100/barrel.

[Gary 50]

51. She wasn't lying. She was evolving.

She said the TPP was the gold standard of trade deals. When it became clear her view was unpopular she evolved, saying she was now against it. The thing is the corporations and the one per cent are for it. I can feel her slowly evolving again. The final evolution will kick in about one heartbeat after her election. Hillary always does the right thing for our corporate overlords.

[elljay]

117. No, she didn't say she was against the TPP

She is an attorney and so am I and I understand the exact strategy she is using. She did not say that she opposed the TPP. She said the following on Face the Nation:

"I said I would like to renegotiate NAFTA when I ran in 2008," she said Sunday. "And I currently oppose TPP in its current form."

IN ITS CURRENT FORM. This is the key language. It means that once the TPP is changed, it is no longer IN ITS CURRENT FORM, but in a NEW FORM. Thus, to use the most exaggerated example, a comma could be removed and Hillary could then support the TPP without technically lying or being a hypocrite.

This is precisely how I expect her to play the game if she is elected.

[libdem4life]

138. See, we of the unwashed masses don't have the lawyers's jargon dictionary

to decipher what "is" is. So, forgive us for being skeptical.

[elljay]

161. Skeptical of what?

Personally, I am 100% confident that Hillary will support the TPP if she is elected. She specifically worded her so-called opposition to it in such a way that all someone needs to do is make a very minor cosmetic change and she can then claim that the TPP's problems have been corrected. It is a way for her to claim that she wasn't lying about opposing the TPP; she just didn't like the comma on page 14. Are you saying you're skeptical that this is what she intended? I'm not.

[libdem4life]

189. Skeptical of real evolution. The weasly words, lawyer speak...

on a subject that is hugely important. IOW, she'll waffle as the wind blows.

[elljay]

210. Got it

Thought you were mad at me! Nothing wrong with "lawyer speak" when we're actually doing lawyering. It allows us to do our job. However, it is NOT something to use in regular life because the intended audience is unlikely to understand exactly what your saying, which is at best rude, at worst deceptive.

[libdem4life]

212. Yes. Peace !!

[SouthernDemLinda]

169. Oh snap! That ain't what she was saying!

Clinton said "great things about NAFTA until she started running for president."

— Barack Obama on Sunday, February 24th, 2008 in Lorain, Ohio

"Yesterday, Sen. Clinton also said I'm wrong to point out that she once supported NAFTA," Obama said. "But the fact is, she was saying great things about NAFTA until she started running for president. A couple years after it passed, she said NAFTA was a 'free and fair trade agreement' and that it was 'proving its worth.'

And in 2004, she said, 'I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York state and America.' "The Clinton campaign says Obama is wrong, that Clinton was critical of NAFTA "long before she started running for president."

We looked into Clinton's past remarks on NAFTA and concluded that she has changed her tune, from once speaking favorably about it to now saying the agreement needs "fixing."

[cui bono]

198. Exactly. She's always shrewd, even when she's not being very smart.

[colorado_ufo]

200. She always leaves herself a way out.

There is a difference between learning, evolving, compromise, enlightenment; and manipulation, evasion, diversion.

[Goldfish]

141. I remember seeing an interview...

She was asked about her statement that the TPP was the gold standard of trade deals.
She denied having said this and that what she had really meant was that she HOPES it will
be the gold standard of trade agreements. I was flabbergasted by her outright lie! And the interviewer never called her out on this. Why do they let her get away with her blatant lies!

[Dustlawyer]

94. The emails regarding TTP and the Wall Street speech transcripts

go to the heart of the trust issue people have with Hillary. If they favored her we would have them already. By the refusal to produce these you can feel pretty safe assuming she tells people what they want to hear, but in reality she is lying to us!

For most Hillary supporters it wouldn't matter, just like Trump can do or say anything and his supporters still support him.

[jwirr]

113. I would say it lying and that the papers on TPP prove it.

Why else would she want them suppressed?

[Betty Karlson]

123. Pretty much. Clinton is imploding the party, but accuses Bernie of the results.

[libdem4life]

139. Yep...we are being forced to be complicit with all of this crap.

Saying "No" isn't allowed. And from a woman's standpoint, that's not a good thing.

[mooseprime]

10. why, how transparent of them

i can only trust that they will be able to better suppress everything that doesn't fit the official narrative going forward. some very unsightly leaks so far.

[OnyxCollie]

12. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Mark 750]

13. Wow

Killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

[Duval]

14. Ahhh, crap!

I just have no words. Alleged fraud all over the place and decisions like this are very discouraging.

[Triana]

15. Sneaky Hillary & her DC establishment machinery in action. AGAIN.

You all wanted this kind of crap. So HERE it is.

The head of the US Chamber of Commerce says that she WILL support TPP after she's elected. In order to get elected, she's lying to Americans. Again.

Just in my opinion, the US is lost as anything resembling a Democracy or Democratic Republic or a Republic.

Electing Bernie Sanders - the ONLY SANE person and the ONLY Democrat running, might enable us to save some semblance of America for common people - the working people, the middle class and the poor - such that they have a voice in their own gov't.

But electing HER NOW will make the transition of this nation from a Republic to an Oligarchy permanent and irreversible.

If the US doesn't elect Bernie Sanders, they are INSANE, PSYCHOPATHIC, and LOST. Not to mention irretrievably stupid.

The country will never EVER be a Republic again. The laws that make America an oligarchy are in the TPP and Hillary WILL ensure it gets passed.

We're turning into Somalia. I guess that's what the US wants. Everyone is all goon-eyed about "the first woman President".

Fat lot that's going to get Americans when SHE codifies into law the US as a permanent OLIGARCHY via TPP and God only knows what else.

"First woman President" loses all value to me as anything symbolic or otherwise when this woman sells our lives and America's soul - by LAW - into the hands of the Capitalists and profiteers, who would kill, murder, torture, or let die anyone, anywhere, anytime and for any reason as long as it begat CORPORATE PROFIT for the money-changers.

I just don't care. She's a 1960's Republican. Nixon in pantsuit. Our own Maggie Thatcher.

People today have NO memory, NO historical perspective of what any of this means. ALL THEY SEE IS "first woman President" -- and that's IT. The YUUUUUGE blind spot people have where she is concerned is as big as a galaxy and it will - mark my words - suck America into permanent Oligarchy if not full-on Fascism.

It will destroy my own life and the lives of countless others who did nothing to deserve that barbaric destruction other than follow the rules, work hard, get an education and work to survive and take care of themselves and their families.

Yet they get NO say in their own government because they haven't enough money to PAY anyone in government to listen to them.

And aren't you PROUD about that America? The World brought you their tired, poor huddled masses and you killed them or drove them into poverty for corporate profit and shut them out of a decent life or a representative government.

You have officially BECOME THAT WHICH YOU SOUGHT INDEPENDENCE from back in 1776.

IDIOTS.

[ciaobaby]

19. So very true !

[LibDemAlways]

27. The worst of it is that this is what the

Democratic Party has devolved into.

I have Facebook friends who are ranting and raving that Trump must be defeated and anything other than a vote for Hillary means the end of western civilization as we know it.

Respond that Hillary is a proud warmonger and corporate owned shill who will sell us down the river and get told that I'm buying into rightwing lies.

A Hillary v. Trump election means only one thing. The American people lose.

[Triana]

35. It's amazing that an honest politician who wants to work for PEOPLE & can't be bought by corps

Is shunned in America.

[LibDemAlways]

41. Shunned by the establishment. I know

Bernie's an honorable man of his word and won't run as an Independent, but I honestly don't think if he did, he'd be a spoiler. I think he'd have an excellent shot at winning. Without the primary restrictions of Dem voters only in some states, he'd be getting Independents in droves and peeling away votes from R's like my sister-in-law who hates Trump. He'd energize the electorate that is already getting sick of Trump's nonsense and Hillary's same old same old. If only....

[99th_Monkey]

32. I wish you were wrong, but damn .. I cannot dispute a word of your excellent rant. n/t

[LiberalLovinLug]

37. + 1000

[libodem]

48. .

[Triana]

79. +1000

The establishment's favorite insult to hurl at Sanders: "crazy" - this absolutely explains it.

[libodem]

99. .

[dchill]

64. Bringing the truth!

[agracie]

80. So sad. So true.

[donf]

89. You're so right! I weep for our country and the world

I have nothing to add - your grasp of our situation is, unfortunately, completely accurate.

[green917]

95. well said!

I wish i could disagree with you but everything you've commented here is spot on.

"We have seen the enemy and it is us!" -Pogo

[Agony]

163. yup

that sums it up.

[SouthernDemLinda]

176. I'm sticking with Bernie all the way to the Revolution!

The two party system is a sham. We're lucky to get one good candidate in the whole bunch!

Yet the stupid masses still vote for them, and cheer when the biggest whore of them all wins.

43 states allow write-ins. Sanders can win. There is a write him in movement.

[azureblue]

184. there you go again

repeating the GOP smear points... Why?

[cui bono]

199. +a brazillion!!!

Righteous rant!



I'm so excited that tomorrow I will, for the FIRST time, vote FOR a presidential candidate and not just against the others. It will feel so damn good to vote for the best presidential candidate in my lifetime and know that I was on the right side of history and fighting people and not supporting corporate rule.

.

[reddread]

16. WHAT A GORGEOUS BRICK WALL!

[shawn703]

17. Yet not a word from the Hillbots

I guess they're still waiting for their talking points. Sad they can't think for themselves.

[AgingAmerican]

33. Their talking points are predictable

Accuse Sanders of whatever she did. They will make some bozo claim that Sanders blocked the emails, or forced them to be blocked.

[MidwestTech]

46. you noticed that too huh?

why is it the only defense they seem to have is "you're a misogynist"?
and never ever touch the issues we are actually having a problem with?

[SouthernDemLinda]

178. It's what you do....

when you can't discuss the real issues!

[cantbeserious]

58. They Know The Fix Is In - And The Rest Of Us Are Chumps For Still Believing In Democracy

eom

[drokhole]

82. The talking points are in:

It's not that they "won't release" them, it's that they (conveniently/fortuitously/mind-bogglingly) won't be "ready" until then.



(see also: the more ad hominem approach)

No addressing of fact that this request was submitted all the way back in mid-last year, or any reason as to how/why the April 2016 estimate wasn't met (what precisely will be delaying it by 7 months?), or that, you know, the government could expedite anything they damn well please (they just choose not to). Also...

"According to Justice Department statistics, the average wait time for a State Department request is 111 days on a simple request — the longest of any federal agency the department's report analyzed."

...nope, they'll just somehow/magically have these emails "ready" at the exact end of the election. Just one of them coincidences...

[TryLogic]

18. Infuriating!

[geomon666]

20. Gotta protect the chosen candidate n/t

[lastone]

21. At least she's consistent in her efforts to not be transparent!

... And won't flip flop on issues depending on the polls!

"Clinton’s shifting positions on the TPP have been a source of controversy during the campaign: She repeatedly promoted the deal as secretary of state but then in 2015 said, "I did not work on TPP," even though some leaked State Department cables show that her agency was involved in diplomatic discussions about the pact. Under pressure from her Democratic primary opponent, Bernie Sanders, Clinton announced in October that she now opposes the deal — and has disputed that she ever fully backed it in the first place."

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Um yeah.

[azurnoir]

23. So the State department is running interference in the election process ?

[warrprayer]

25. Sure looks that way. n/t

[grasswire]

104. yeah, protecting her in every matter.

What is Kerry's part in this coverup?

[Hydra]

186. Orders from the top, more than likely

Team Clinton has had to commit a lot of resources they wanted to hold in reserve, The open help of the President is one of those things.

[malthaussen]

26. Well, we wouldn't want to confuse the voters. n/t

[LibDemAlways]

38. Ask the average person at the mall for an opinion on the

TPP and get a look that says, "I don't know what the hell you're talking about," and, so as not to appear ignorant, an answer something like, "Oh, I like it a lot."

Too many Americans don't know and don't want to know about issues that affect their lives. As long as there's a brew in the fridge and a game on tv, they're good.

[djean111]

47. To be fair, I think it has been quite a while since most politicians cared what people think,

anyway. The slate of nominees we are usually presented with has already been determined by a few. More like a prix fixe meal instead of a full menu. And if you don't like the raw pork belly with caramel sauce or the chewy chicken claws, that's too damned bad. You have to pick one of those. That is pretty much the reason the millennials I know will not bother to vote for Hillary or Trump. They figure neither candidate means well for them, and IMO they are quite correct.

[LibDemAlways]

55. When the TPP is signed into law and people

lose their jobs as a result, it's too late. People voting against their own best interests because they don't know what those interests are, is a huge problem. If more Dems in this cycle had looked beyond Hillary's gender or It's her turn to examine where she is on the issues, Bernie would have beat her decisively. We did have a choice this time, but the outcome was pretty much pre-determined since the DNC and the corporate media conspired to make sure their interests would be served. Public be damned.

[Angel Martin]

105. if the nominees of both parties are the same...

"People voting against their own best interests..."

then how do people vote against their best interests ?

if this election had turned out to be Bush vs Clinton, the way the elites planned it, there would have been no discussion of TPP or anything else

[djean111]

114. That is not remotely true.

then how do people vote against their best interests ?

This year, it may turn out that they vote against their own best interests merely by voting. Why enable, why put some stamp of approval on things? And - when anyone here criticizes Obama, they are told hey, you knew he was not a liberal when you voted for him.

if this election had turned out to be Bush vs Clinton, the way the elites planned it, there would have been no discussion of TPP or anything else

Huh? Many of us have been angry at the TPP, and Hillary's role in shilling for it, mightily, for years. In addition, I was never on the Hillary train this time around, and will never be. The TPP is part of the reason why. In case you have not noticed, the primary is still in swing. So the TPP, and a lot of other issues, is why many prefer Bernie to Hillary. If Hillary is the nominee, the TPP (and war and fracking and the Third Way and Social Security and single payer and cluster bombs and blatant lying) will be the reason I don't support Hillary.

[YOHABLO]

201. First ask them do they vote.

[LibDemAlways]

202. It's a given that they don't. And of those

who do, too many vote for the candidate they'd like to share that brew with.

[FairWinds]

28. Wasn't Obama supposed to be the . .

"Transparency" president?

[Babel_17]

29. lol, we're in "wtf, why not?" mode I take it

Normally this would be seen as outrageous, but that's a relative term. Outrageous compared to behavior the Inspector General condemned? Meh, not so much, might be the thinking.

[CrispyQ]

30. It pays to have friends in high places. -nt

[Skwmom]

34. Lovely democracy we have in the U.S.

[Vinca]

36. That speaks volumes. Will she sign it on the first or second day in office?

[LibDemAlways]

43. It'll be on the podium during the Inaugural Address and will be

signed with great fanfare as part of the speech.

[RichVRichV]

50. It will be signed before the next president takes office but after the election.

The corporate playbook is completely transparent if you're cynical enough.

[840high]

39. No words.

[Javaman]

40. obviously there is something there

something so "there" that would jeopardize her ascendancy to the throne.

[LibDemAlways]

45. Yep. Like the speech transcripts. Hillary is about as

transparent as a brick wall encased in concrete.

[Kall]

42. Things like this are why

the "get in line" efforts at "unity" have no effect. I'm sure none of the usual suspects pushing that line will be showing up here.

[felix_numinous]

44. They do not support democracy

or the people being represented AT ALL EVER> This is what we are fighting for, why we all will stay in this race for the duration, long as it takes.

[TheCowsCameHome]

49. More campaign ammunition for her opponent.

[tonyt53]

52. The reason Obama has asked for the delay? She was working under his direction.

The SoS works at the direction of the President. Make no mistake about that.

[grasswire]

107. And what about Kerry?

Is he part of the coverup?

[tonyt53]

129. You see, there is no cover up. That is the part that drives people like you insane. You and the GOP.

[libdem4life]

140. Stunning and obtuse.

[creeksneakers2]

195. Where does it say

Obama asked for the delay?

[Lean]

53. Hillary Supporters Want Their "First Woman President"

Come hell or high water. Doesn't matter how corrupt, how secretive, or how bad her judgement has been.....she's not Trump. Hillary will be the fall of the Democratic Party.

[cantbeserious]

59. And That Will Improve America How

eom

[jeff47]

111. We'll finally be able to start fixing what the Republicans

and conservative Democrats have been destroying over the last 40 years.

[cantbeserious]

155. HRC Is A Conservative Democrat - She Will Enable Ever More Corptocracy

eom

[jeff47]

217. Yes...and when the party "falls" as in the post you replied to

what happens after? 'Cause that was your question. And what I responded to.

[George II]

54. No, they did NOT say they won't release them "until after the election", they said...

....they won't have them ready for release until the end of November.

Of course the immediate assumption is..........

[Scalded Nun]

71. Not an assumption.

A statement of fact. The end of November is after the election. They are trying to make this sound a 'nice' as possible.

[George II]

72. But that is not what they said. What they said was reworded by the writer for sensationalism...

....and to get the intended reaction.

[GRhodes]

194. It's insulting

how stupid Clinton's talking points machines think people are. Who is dumb enough to buy that nonsense?

[Nihil]

211. In answer to your question ...

... you were already replying to one such person and, sadly, there are plenty of them
to go around ...

The nation that elected a Bush three times and a Clinton twice (and then bought into
the "Hope & Change" bandwagon of bullshit) is well on its way to breaking its own
record of ever-increasing disappointment using the plutarchy's pet excuse "Choose the
lesser of the two piss-poor options". Again.

[jeff47]

112. They also said "The check is in the mail" and

"Of course I'll still love you in the morning".

[highprincipleswork]

57. No transcripts. No TPP e-mails. This is the candidate that Democrats want?

[OwlinAZ]

98. It's what the right wing Democrats and the corporate media wants.

[dchill]

60. K&R

[JEB]

61. You think the Obama transparency is a bit murky. Just wait.

[MisterP]

67. we're not allowed to know what we're voting for, and Dems are fine with this

this is why trains have deadman's-switches

[grasswire]

109. and why the party has super delegates. nt

[Kablooie]

69. Sounds a lot like The Wire season 4.

The mayor tried to slow down a damaging crime investigation until after the mayoral election.

I'm not making accusations, just pointing out the similarity to the show, (because I'm in the middle of watching right now.)

[d_legendary1]

74. This is Obama telling the American Public

"Fuck You! You'll take what we give you!"

[awoke_in_2003]

75. Wall Street allowed us to have marriage equality

What else do you proles want?

[laserhaas]

76. Ha...I didnt post thus ..last night (early am)

So they wouldnt lock 2 of my threads in 1 day.

Heres hope you survive...my (much less opinionated item) was locked moments ago.

Shes just too damn venally powerful

[Paper Roses]

77. Final Straw. I've had it.

I will write in on my ballot. There is too much hidden, now this. Shame. For you Hil fans, don't come back later and cry that things are not as you expected.

Been around that bend too many times.
This whole election process has me enraged. No more to be said. Crap on all of it..

I have never seen anything like this whole process. No words left to express my anger and frustration. I can't even imagine what I would say to anyone who might ask me about my opinion. That opinion train has left the station.

[SmittynMo]

85. It's amazing

how many people are on your same train. Count me in.

[840high]

101. .that^

[Javaman]

108. +1000 nt

[grasswire]

110. thank you PR

well said.

[SmittynMo]

132. We're gonna need a bigger train......

Jaws - LOL

[cantbeserious]

162. Yes - The Party Left Me - I Did Not Leave The Party

eom

[Agony]

168. ^^this^^^ I have had it as well...

This might be the first time the Democratic candidate that I vote for truly represents my views
… yes, it also might have to be a write in ballot…

The best part? I won't be voting for "the lesser of two evils"!!!

[onecaliberal]

78. If you vote for this shit you at responsible for what happens, don't come crying later.

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Stop the damned madness. These corrupt pieces of shit are waving it in our faces.

[SmittynMo]

84. But don't worry,,,,,

It's not corrupt. It's not fixed. There's nothing to see here.

Un fricking believable......

And people wonder why they aren't going to vote this time around, if Bernie isn't in there. I'm telling you, keep this shit up and the Establishment will easily put Trump in the White house, with RECORD LOW turnout. I'm still in shock.

[coyote]

87. But she is a woman and looks Presidential...

That's all that matters.

[lumberjack_jeff]

88. Whew! Us Loyal Democrats dodged a bullet there!

It's a good thing that Good Democrats prevented us from nominating Sanders.

[Land of Enchantment]

90. I see this backfiring on them.......

anything can happen. It's not over and this just adds more fuel to the fires set by the DNC and the establishment.

Hello Superdelegates!!!!!!!! Anyone awake in there?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[ismnotwasm]

91. From your link: Feds try to quash Republicans' lawsuit over Clinton messages

Not sure if it's connected, but it's the articles' own citation.

The Obama administration is trying to kill a lawsuit from the Republican National Committee (RNC) seeking communications from Hillary Clinton and emails from her former top aides.

Complying with the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request at the heart of the lawsuit would require going through 1.5 million pages of files, Justice Department lawyers argued in a filing late on Wednesday. The excessively broad nature of the demands, they added, should prompt a federal court to toss out the suit.


“Compiling, reviewing, and redacting documents responsive to these requests would take the State Department decades,” the lawyers claimed.
“This burden is unreasonable.”

The RNC has asked the State Department to hand over all text messages and BlackBerry Messenger communications to or from Clinton during her time in office, as well as all emails to or from four State Department officials throughout her tenure: ex-chief of staff Cheryl Mills, senior adviser Jacob Sullivan, undersecretary for management Patrick Kennedy and IT expert Bryan Pagliano.

Yet again, There is no "there" there.

[moondust]

93. Obstruction of justice.

Maybe or maybe not in a technical legal sense but certainly in a broader sense.

[Gman]

100. Great news!

Keeps them out of the hands of the GOP before the general election.

It serves no good purpose to release them now.

The emails are of zero use to Sanders since Hillary IS the nominee.

[Kingofalldems]

102. OMG, Hillary wrote and received emails!!

She should be indicted!!11!!

[Cryptoad]

106. Ohhhh NO,,, EMAILS,,,,, Oh the horror of it all!

[Gary 50]

135. Where is the picture of Hillary saying

Without lying, Hillary is toast. Or Without stonewalling Hillary is toast. Or Without Bernies' supporters Hillary is toast. Or without a despicable piece of shit as an opponent Hillary would be toast. So yeah Cryptoad, Bernie is toast, Hillary is our nominee and the people are once again left with the "choice" of voting for the lesser of two evils. Time for a victory dance for the corporations, the status quo and the one percent because they win with Clinton or Drumpf.

[nikto]

204. The only thing to fear is the truth ...

[katsy]

115. So we should just believe politicians?

About the tpp?

Trust without sunshine or verification, without available documentation?

Yeah kinda like going to podiatrist and trusting his opinion that u have a brain tumor? Np. Just trust.

Very very funny and sad way to evaluate politicians trustworthiness. Based on opinion. On faith. On instinct. How terrible naive & ignorant way to evaluate politicians. Even tho documentation is available... Ha what a joke.

[AntiBank]

148. Those emails will show her bedrock support and statecraft machinations for TPP.

We are so fucked.

[riderinthestorm]

118. Well that clears up any question over whether Obama will let his DOJ indict her

No.

He's going to protect her.

Only question remains is what Comey will do if he recommends indictment.

[Hydra]

188. Let's assume this is action is a template

Obama will stall for her. He'll agree that there needs to be some sort of legal action, but he'll find a way to put it off until after the convention. Once we are fully in the GE, if she washes out, he'll name the new nominee through DNC leadership.

...I wonder if he won't do that anyway? A perfect way for him to get his revenge on her for her antics at State, while keeping Bernie out of the WH.

[riderinthestorm]

191. That's all very plausible. Still sucks for Bernie though nt

[Hydra]

192. Bernie knew what he was getting into

He knew we'd have to fight the establishment, big money, and the media. He knew this could end up like MLK or RFK. He took the risk and went for it, and we are now seeing the shape of things to come. The DNC is the new RNC, and there will be a new Left party...but it may be too late. TPP or Climate change could mean game over.

We did our best- that's all we can do.

[riderinthestorm]

193. Honestly, I'm actually relieved for him. Climate change is upon us

and most experts agree we have a tiny window left to affect change - maybe 5 years.

Maybe.

Bernie was going to throw his entire presidency at this and he'd go down in history as trying. Now he's off the hook. Madame President and her tepid proposals doom this planet as surely as climate change deniers. If she wins, she gets to own "worst President ever" for ignoring the greatest peril on earth today.

Bernie gets to lead the rest of us into a new way. An excellent legacy.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

119. Who could have predicted this?

[Enthusiast]

124. Never even crossed my mind.

[MisterFred]

121. This should not be a surprise.

Anyone who thought this administration would try to not do anything until after the election on anything to do with anyone running (especially Clinton), was simply naive.

Disappointing, but that's the system we have. And it's the system that, apparently, most of our Dem voters want to preserve.

[3hummingbirds]

130. clinton tpo emails

God forbid that we know the truth before the election. Talk about corrupt.

[JDPriestly]

131. How can anyone seriously consider voting for Hillary when her e-mails and her speeches

are so awful, so damaging that they can't be released before the election for fear of letting the world and American voters know who she really is?

This is a scandal.

The US government is protecting Hillary's bid for the presidency in ways that constitute in my opinion possibly illegal use of public office for political purposes.

Possibly. This is something that should be considered and not just by voters.

Meddling in elections. And using government resources to do it.

That's just my opinion.

[truebrit71]

136. Mmmm...I love the smell of transparency in the morning....

....it smells like, like.....wait, what?

[ReRe]

146. "COG"

Continuity of government.
USA! USA! USA!

[Cobalt Violet]

147. rigging the election.

How wonderful.

[AntiBank]

149. way to hand fucking Trumpf a steel-forged hammer on 2 points

TPP and transparency.

Massive underlining of the dodgy dodgy that is Clinton.

[mudstump]

150. The establishment doesn't even bother to hide their corruption anymore.

[JimDandy]

151. Of course Obama did...protecting his legacy you know.

Sadly, it took having a Democrat in office, for there to be the most denials of FOIA requests ever and the least transparent presidential administration in my lifetime.

[Chakaconcarne]

152. Of course....nothing like a lack of transparency

To win an election

[LiberalLovinLug]

156. Anonymous "bat light" request

[Dr. Strange]

158. Good.

The last thing we need in government is transparency and honesty.

[ZombieHorde]

160. Very discouraging, in my opinion.

The TPP is likely to be as bad as people have been saying.

[stupidicus]

164. I'd like to hear her opinion on this

http://addictinginfo.org/2016/06/05/ny-gov-cuomo-directly-threatens-businesses-if-you-boycott-israel-new-york-will-boycott-you/

something tells me her and Cuomo ain't that far away on the matter

[blackspade]

166. So no actual reason for the delay....except for politics.

[creeksneakers2]

197. The FOIA office is overwhelmed

That's all that is going on.

"State Department spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau declined Monday to comment on the RNC lawsuit specifically, but said that requests have tripled since 2008 and staff has been spread thin. "

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/politics/clinton-emails-75-years/

[blackspade]

209. Having worked in government archives and on FOIA requests specifically....

That is a bullshit excuse.

Just like it was under W.

[creeksneakers2]

215. Perhaps where you worked

wasn't overwhelmed by Clinton enemies. I think there are 30 lawsuits alone.

[Zorra]

170. How perfectly appropriate. Business, as usual. nt

[colsohlibgal]

171. Not Surprising At All

Wonder if there will be any buyers remorse when they are out in public.? Doubtful I would suppose.

[zentrum]

181. It's well known

…..that HRC advocated strongly for the TPP and fracking, to other governments, while she was SOS. She called the TPP the "gold standard" of trade deals.

But now, she just doesn't want those words out in stark black and white before the election, given what she said about these issues during the debates. Didn't she even finally come out and say she was opposed to both of them?

She knows these TPP emails will parade her hypocrisy. But the thing is—she's neither for them nor against them. As Jon Stewart once said—"does she even have any political convictions?" She's for whatever moment to moment will be the most politically expedient for her march through history.

As a woman I'm feeling pretty depressed tonight that it's a woman like this who is in a position to break the glass ceiling.

[mia]

187. The State Department represents people who want Trump to win.

Too bad.

[Scuba]

206. Cornel West was right.

[Cooley Hurd]

207. I hope even Secretary Clinton supporters can appreciate how politically motivated this is

This flies directly in the face of transparency AND also defies the very spirit of FOIA laws.

[Vinca]

208. And on to the courts we go.

[MrMickeysMom]

216. Isn't it interesting how tax payers can fund these e-mails without having access?

Just like ...

Isn't it interesting that American tax payers fund Puerto Rico and the Virgin Isle to vote in the primary, but because they're territories, they're not allowed to vote in the general election? Ever wonder about the purpose of THAT?

Just like...

Isn't it interesting that American tax payers fund all 50 state primary elections, but only some states can allow every tax payer to vote in the primaries? Taxation without representation, anyone?

Just like...

Aren't the wheels of justice commensurate with the benefit of who can control the agencies of justice or afford a better law firm?