Homosexuals 'Worthy of Death' Bible Verse Read Before Key Vote

[brooklynite]

Source: Roll Call

House Republicans at a conference meeting heard a Bible verse that calls for death for homosexuals shortly before the chamber voted Thursday morning to reject a spending bill that included an amendment barring discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

Whether the freshman member who gave the prayer intended to condemn members of the LGBT community has left Republicans and Democrats deeply divided. What's certain is that the Energy-Water appropriations bill that came to the floor later in the morning was defeated on a resounding 112-305 vote, with a majority of the GOP caucus in opposition.

Georgia Rep. Rick W. Allen led the opening prayer by reading from Romans 1:18-32, and Revelations 22:18-19. An aide to Allen told CQ that Allen did not mention the upcoming vote on the Energy-Water spending bill or an amendment that would reinforce a presidential directive prohibiting federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT employees.

Gay rights advocates called on top Republicans to condemn the "vile and dangerous remarks" and censure Allen.

Read more: http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bible-verse-homosexuals-heard-house-gop-prior-vote

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It's all in the timing...

[George II]

1. Hateful republicans. Sorry, can't rec this one.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. I rec when I think it is important people know a fact or analysis. I don't agree with hatred. . nt

[uppityperson]

9. I am reccing for wider exposure. This is appalling

[StevieM]

106. Recommending a post is not the same thing as liking a post.

For example, I might recommend a post that talks about just how bad the situation is with climate change. It is important for people to know the bad news so that they can decide what actions they want to take.

[2naSalit]

2. These

zealots need to be voted out of our government at every level!

[bjobotts]

30. Our human race has evolved far past Bronze age thinking and mentality.Religious tolerance

stops when that particular belief system insults our humanity and civil rights. What a petty intolerant creep to say an obviously ridiculous bronze age prayer as if it were meaningful today. Gays are God's birth control and "men" can make up alll the "God said" crap they want to make up but a God of love created what they condemn in his name and we ahve grown so far past this nonsense as a nation of humanitarians. What this idiot did is unforgivable and shows him to be a vile pathetic fanatic who confuses reality with his belief system. They used to believe the world was flat also.

[SheilaT]

59. You would think we'd evolved past the Bronze age thinking but clearly most people have not.

They are stuck in a very primitive mind-set, and refuse to consider anything else.

[oberliner]

3. Anyone who thinks the NT is all peace and love ought to read that passage from Romans

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[uppityperson]

8. Thankyou for those, I tire of "but it's not in the NT, only in the old and we're Xians" argument

For the OP, this is appalling.

[Moostache]

15. My interpretation of that clap-trap?

26-32 Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR. Blah. Blah. Blah. HATE Blah. Blah. Blah. FEAR.

[LiberalFighter]

21. They use the words of Paul who was not a disciple of Jesus neither did he know him personally.

Nearly half the books in the NT are considered to be by Paul. Much of what Paul writes is contrary to the words Jesus spoke to his disciples.

[Major Nikon]

38. The holy poltergeist whispered into his ear after a 3 day bender and he was born again

[madashelltoo]

42. Thank you.

[whatthehey]

47. Feel free to try to rescind the Council of Nicaea

[LiberalFighter]

49. Well that would be difficult to do as they will ignore the reason the council was convened.

[whatthehey]

52. Arianism is involved in this now?

[LiberalFighter]

60. Where did Arianism come into play?

[whatthehey]

63. You brought up the reason for Nicaea. It was first and foremost the Arian controversy.

[LiberalFighter]

66. I didn't mention anything about Arians.

I was never aware of Arians related to this before.

[whatthehey]

96. So, honestly curious, what were you thinking the reason for Nicaea was?

[LiberalFighter]

97. From what I was taught and had previously read

it was to bring the bishops together to have just one christian church with just one set of beliefs. To control the beliefs and make Christianity legitimate in the Roman Empire. I was unaware of the name given to the opposition.

[whatthehey]

102. That's pretty much it but a bit different from modern ecumenicalism

The reason I initially brought up the topic was because the council first made the books as we have them canonical, in that Paul's epistles are every bit as much part of the Bible, and hence part of the faith, as are the 4 gospels. It's worth noting there were many more gospels and many more epistles which various sects used, some of them quite lurid. Jesus' childhood rooftop adventures are fun. Arianism was the big divider at the time but Manichaesim (sort of dualism) and other forms of gnosticism were around too. The official teachings needed a strong hand to enforce and with the first Christian emperor the strongest on earth was suddenly available. To be honest the conference was pretty much a foregone conclusion on canon (the current one already had a large distribution) et al, barring Arianism which was a major and very widely held divergence. It didn't end at Nicaea even - most of the barbarian leaders who followed the fall of the empire in the West a couple centuries later or so were Arian Christians.

Interesting aside: the phrase "not an iota of difference" comes from the dispute over Arianism. Iota is the Greek letter i and Arianism said that Christ was only like but not the same as God the Father in being, since he had to be incarnated. Catholics believed that even in human form, he was of the exact same being. The Greek words for being similar and identical in being are homoiousios and homoousios respectively - just an i difference, but a very big difference at the time.

[packman]

109. LiberalFighter and Whatthehey - are you two listening to each other?

Do you have any - ANY - inkling of how ridiculous your two back-and-forth sounds? It's like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or whether one should open their hard-boiled eggs from the pointed side or the rounded.
Cheez - give it a break.

[whatthehey]

110. I'm sorry we are discussing things on a discussion forum

And that you deem the content and origin of the world's biggest religion and most influential book are not intersting enough.

[packman]

112. Interesting - maybe. Pertinent to the real world , one is reminded of...

The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
Of cabbages—and kings—
And why the sea is boiling hot—

And whether pigs have wings.

[whatthehey]

113. You don't think the content of the Bible is pertinent?

You don't think the influence of that content on gay rights is pertinent? Surely some knowledge on how that content was given an official imprimatur is a bit more than idle musing? Aren't we supposed to be the knowledge based political bloc? But hey there are lots of threads making up epithets for political oponents if you prefer.

[packman]

114. I think the Bible is a vile book

and to quote it, one way or the other, ONLY adds to it supposed credence as an authoritative source. As long as mankind says "The Bible says this..." or " The Quran states thus..." or " The Tanakh admonishes that..." , we will all be the slaves to our superstitions and the violence they bring. My wish is that all religious texts could be wiped out and forgotten in future generations in much the same way as babbling of a brook that has no real significance in the way one should treat another.

[whatthehey]

115. I think it is too. But I prefer to know why and how.

It is undeniably important in the world as is religion in general. I agree with neither as far as truth claims or philosophies, but is it not better to be able to explain why based on understanding? Is it not more telling to criticize with knowledge or just throw up our hands and go "blecchh" any time religion rears its head? It's surely better to realize how religions are born, how they propagate, how they exert influence, how they achieve cultural power rather than go "lalalalala I can't hear you" when 75% of our fellow citizens DO base their opinions on what that book and that religion says, or in most cases their paltry stock of half-truths about what it says.

[YOHABLO]

94. I had to Wikipedia that one. Oh brother.

[ShrimpPoboy]

51. My father calls them Paulians for that reason

[bjobotts]

33. What depravity.Just like Lotts daughters getting Lott drunk and then raping him 'cause

the nearest man was about 20 miles away so up to Lotts cave and rape the drunken slob. Would you really want your kids to read this bronze age crap?

[mr_liberal]

57. Islam is even worse.

For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds... If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both.... Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to.... kill the doer and the receiver - ISLAM

Thats probably the kind of thing Omar Mateen read.

[oberliner]

85. That passage is actually the Qu'ran referencing the Old Testament

Which is the source of that story (i.e. Lot and Lot's wife with respect to Sodom).

[mr_liberal]

87. Bottom half is from Hadith... suppose to be a quote directly from Muhammad. nm

[oberliner]

88. The God in the OT killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah

The quote from the Hadith is expressing agreement with said Old Testament actions.

The NT and the Qu'ran cannot hold a candle to the OT in terms of its brutality and depravity.

[mr_liberal]

90. So Muhammad agreed with the OT about killing gays, but

Jesus didnt. I figured thats the way it was. Thanks.

[oberliner]

93. Paul did in the NT

Jesus appeared not to address the issue one way or the other.

[mr_liberal]

95. Muhammad did though.

And thats why I think a lot of muslims like Mateen are for killing gays.

[oberliner]

98. So does God himself

Leviticus is pretty clear on that score. And a certain very sizable subset of Christians tend to quote those passages frequently, and assert their divinity.

[mr_liberal]

99. But We Cannot Ignore the Connection Between Islam and Anti-Gay Bigotry

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/06/15/after-the-orlando-massacre-we-cannot-ignore-the-connection-between-islam-and-anti-gay-bigotry/

[classof56]

73. Sometimes this former lifelong Baptist finds herself regretting that Paul defined Christianity.

'Twould be nice if "mainstream Christians" would focus on the words of Jesus and practice what he preached, but alas, those that do are few. Pity. His message of love and forgiveness and redemption is lost in the shuffle of ugly rhetoric lately, such as that pastor in Sacramento and other so-called ministers of the gospel who preach hatred and a total lack of compassion.

Peace and blessings.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. The current Republican Party members have a sickness.

Who knows what will replace the current Party after tRump has wrecked it. I predict massive schisms between tRump's base and the more traditional conservatives.

[artyteacher]

5. sick is right. eom

[Iliyah]

6. That shit is not in the Bible.

Great Grandpa told me when he was a little boy in Shreveport, LA, that a white man told him that "GAWD" made a mistake with n***ers and "GAWD" gave his blessing to exterminate them.

Religious fanatics hide behind the good book with their hatred.

[whatthehey]

10. Ermm...yes it is.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1%3A18-32

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. But Jesus didn't say it. God (Jesus) hates figs not 'fags'. Matthew 21:19. . . nt

[whatthehey]

14. Yes. The Bible is not just Jesus quotes. This is not news.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

20. Just like Two Corinthians, a letter from Paul. NT

[whatthehey]

27. I think The Timothy Twins are more fun. You get plenty misogyny there.

[Rocknrule]

11. An anti-gay mass shooting

Two of the things Republicans love most - guns and gay-bashing - came together last weekend. Some of them were probably creaming their pants when they heard the news.

[Mz Pip]

32. This happened May 26, 2016

Still despicable.

My contempt for Republican zealots goes each and every day.

[47of74]

13. He would've done better to read Matthew 25:31-46

That's the one where Jesus said he'd be sending people who didn't take care of others to a warmer climate.

[brooklynite]

16. Puerto Rico?

[47of74]

17. No. Much, much warmer then there.

[brooklynite]

26. Phoenix...

At least it's a dry heat...

[whatthehey]

29. But, if the Bible is to be believed, not as hot as Heaven even so.

The boiling point of sulfur (Hell's maximum temp if it has molten sulfur) is freaking hot, but less than anywhere receiving 49 times the solar radiation as earth, which is how Isaiah describes Heaven.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Cleveland in July.

nt

[Bluenorthwest]

25. Are you under the impression that is is funny? That your sarcasm tag makes it ok?

It's really not ok. At all.

[onehandle]

31. I'm deleting it because of the jury stalkers.

Not because of your opinion.

Republicans know damn well what their friend the gun does.

[6000eliot]

19. Their hate is okay, because they are mostly white Christians.

We don't need to get upset about it unless they are brown Muslims.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Since when? It's not ok out of anybody, nor does affecting that one set of bigots mitigates another

set of bigots make it ok.

[skepticscott]

36. There's even more righteous backlash on DU when Muslims

are criticized for this kind of thing. Because we all know that Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance and justice, right? Right.

[6000eliot]

43. I'm gay, so NEITHER religion is a religion of "peace, tolerance, and justice" from my perspective,

right?

[AlbertCat]

50. I'm gay, so NEITHER religion is a religion of "peace, tolerance, and justice" from my perspective,

Me too.

from my perspective ALL religions are ridiculous.

[skepticscott]

53. Not particularly, no

Even so-called "liberal" Xstian denominations have had to be dragged kicking and screaming to some semblance of acceptance. And the world's largest Xstian group is virulently anti-gay, and opposes gay rights at every turn.

[Raster]

117. I am also Gay and borne this way...

...the three Abrahamic-based cults are nothing valid in my life. My religion is science, its high priest is logic and its high priestess is reason.

"There are no Gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

- Anne Nicol Gaylor

[hrmjustin]

23. Hate is evil!

[Politicub]

28. The liberal redneck has it right

Those verses belong in the trash along with verses condoning the subjugation of women and slavery.

[mountain grammy]

34. They can hate and preach all they want

Just not in the government...it's the first amendment, stupid. These congress critters vow to uphold the constitution not the bible. Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion. Why is that so fucking hard for these morons to understand?

[NoMoreRepugs]

35. GOP pandering to Evangelicals knows NO bounds.....

[scottie55]

37. Republicans = True Scum

Anyone I can who calls themselves a Republican, I verbally abuse.

They deserve it.

[passiveporcupine]

54. That's as hateful as some republicans

There are many good, loving people out there who call themselves republicans.

Please don't be so eager to broad brush.

Someone just posted a great video of a speech by a republican politician, about the Orlando shootings and it was beautiful and heartfelt and full of love.

Not all republicans are the enemy.

[skepticscott]

65. No one who supports the current Republican party in ANY way

be it money, votes, membership or ideological support, can possibly qualify as "good" or "loving". They are complicit in far more hate, bigotry and human suffering than can possibly be outweighed by one politically motivated ass-covering speech.

[passiveporcupine]

67. I suspect a lot of republicans do not support the current party.

there may be a huge shift of republicans to dems, or just not voting this year.

You are talking about the wing nuts and politicians. Not all republicans are wing nuts or politicians. Some of them are just very conservative and fear change.

My Mom was one of those, rest her soul. She was a very loving and kind woman.

Hate is never really a good emotion. Hate is what too many wing nutters are filled with.

It's OK to be intolerant of hate, bigotry, sexism, homophobia and misogyny. But to fill your heart and soul with hate is as harmful to you and those around you as it is to the wing nutters.

[scottie55]

70. Calling Yourself A Republican These Days Means You Approve Of The Actions Of The Republican Party

Which makes you a psychopath, or a piece of human feces.

There are no good Republicans.

The word means TRAITOR in every way, and they stay in power by selling hate, fear, and loathing.

If you call yourself a Republican these days you deserve far worse than my insults.

At least it always makes me feel good telling true scum they are scum.

[passiveporcupine]

75. Enjoy your hate

I'm not reading any more of it. Plonk

[skepticscott]

71. Then why are they Republicans?

The Republican party has been homophobic, racist, sexist, warmongering, theocratic, gun-humping, anti-immigrant, anti-union, anti-poor, anti-peace, anti-science and anti-environment for at least 35 years. No one can honestly claim not to know all that, and anyone who has voted for any Republican, or who has supported the Republican party in any way over that time is complicit in that and in what the Republican party is and does now. Saying that someone is conservative and fears change doesn't absolve them of the responsibility for not supporting such things.

Yes, I know, everyone like to think that their friends and family members who are Republicans aren't like that. But the questions stands. If they don't support those things, why are they loyal Republicans? Those things are what the Republican party is all all about.

[passiveporcupine]

74. It can be hard to leave a party you've belonged to for years.

Why do you think so many of us Progressives are screaming for change in the Democratic party as it shifts right. We don't want to leave the party, we want to fix it.

People will stay in a party far too long, but this year of crazy in the republican party is going to shake up a lot of people who just haven't been paying attention.

[skepticscott]

82. Leaving a party is easy

All it takes is one thought, and you're gone from it. It requires no effort, no action and no expense to never vote for them again, or to never give them money again. Even if it weren't, no one ever said that doing the right thing was easy.

[rockfordfile]

78. I agree with you

[Saviolo]

39. GOP "thoughts and prayers"

... were worth nothing to me before. Now they are worth less than nothing, when you find out they're also praying for LGBT deaths out of the other side of their faces.

[phazed0]

40. Too bad so many believe in the Bible...

Good thing I'm an Athiest

[floriduck]

41. He put his NRA donation to work to ensure more gun related donations. How do these people sleep at

night? With their gay boyfriends?

[ErikJ]

44. The #1 thing that both radical Christians and Muslims share in common is their hatred of liberals

and liberal values.

[whatthehey]

62. I learned a surprising fact this week

US Muslims support gay marriage more than US Protestants, so they don't really compare only to radical Xians in hatred of that part of liberalism at least.

[Ford_Prefect]

45. Gay scare, Red Scare, it's all the same paranoid fantasy vindicated by obscure ritual.

It is horrible that the GOP hate mongers are condoned as the "people's choice", and sanctified by the MSM press as an acceptable alternate viewpoint. In Europe there are laws regarding hate speech for good reason.

The same vicious fools used the same excuses to condemn Jews, Gypsies, Gays and Intellectuals in another century. They select the hated party and then exhume the old testament phrases to justify their fears and hatred. Mao used the little red book to provoke the same cultural genocide.

There is a time when bullies must face more than silent tolerance.

[Solly Mack]

46. Disgusting piece of shit. Coward.

[AlbertCat]

48. a Bible verse

Then it has nothing to do with government.

Next read something interesting.... like from a Lawrence Krauss, or Richard Dawkins book on science.








Oh, BTW..... sorry religion... you've lost your war on "The Gay". Get over it. And stop freaking out...Jesus on a Ritz what children!

[3catwoman3]

55. More and more, I find myself thinking...

...that there SHOULD be a religious test to hold office - no one but atheists should be allowed to run.

I don't suppose anyone from the right side of the aisle called this creep out on his vile utterance.

[Arugula Latte]

56. Why is this silly book of nonsensical primitive mythology still relevant to anyone in modern times?

[SheilaT]

58. What I really don't understand is why the separation of Church and State

does completely exclude any sort of prayer, holy book reading, or invocation of any religious belief whatsoever in Congress.

Even the Pledge of Allegiance, ever since the "under God" part was added, violates that.

[47of74]

86. Yeah if I had my way there would be an absolute firewall when it comes to religion and Congress

No prayers of any sort. No Congressional chaplain. None of that.

[Victor_c3]

61. I hope the republicans doing the right thing

And call for the executions of people with round haircuts and people who wear garments of mixed fabrics (which is also called for in the bible).

[allan01]

64. this

[awoke_in_2003]

68. If I am not mistake

There is 188 dems in the house. 70 or so appear to be shitheads.

[DallasNE]

69. Funny How Men Drool Over The Words Of Men Who

Believed the Earth was flat and put complete faith in those words without ever wondering that since they got that so wrong what else might they have gotten wrong.

[melman]

72. What the fuck

are they doing reading bible verses in there to begin with?

[Hoppy]

76. ---and didn't Jesus also say something about "Blessed are the cheese makers?"

That truth makes as much sense as the rest of the stuff in the Bible.

[irisblue]

84. Cheese is needed and useful

Republicans... well not so much most days.

[MFM008]

77. are there NO decent republicans

or are they all shit stains??
Oh wait.......................

[harun]

104. You'd need a time machine to find them

Circa 1956...

http://boldprogressives.org/2012/08/the-surprisingly-progressive-republican-party-platform-of-1956/

[mcar]

79. WTF?

[rockfordfile]

80. Conservative religion and violence.

[tanyev]

81. Why can't they just start with a call to order, for FSM's sake?

[Blandocyte]

83. Speechless. n/t

[Snarkoleptic]

89. These fundie sky wizard believers will be the death of us all.

N/t

[anigbrowl]

91. "Posted at May 26, 2016 7:02 PM" - not LBN

It's a very interesting story but I read it with the recent atrocity in Orlando in mind and was confused that it was not mentioned in the story until I saw the timestamp. Maybe move the thread to GD or something?

[davidthegnome]

92. Enough is enough.

Let's vote these assholes out of office.

[whirlygigspin]

100. voice your opinion to Mr Allen

http://allen.house.gov

WASHINGTON, D.C.
513 Cannon H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
P(202) 225-2823
F(202) 225-3377

AUGUSTA DISTRICT OFFICE
2743 Perimeter Parkway
Bldg. 200, Suite 225
Augusta, GA 30909
P(706) 228-1980
F(706) 228-1954

DUBLIN DISTRICT OFFICE
101 N. Jefferson St.
Dublin, GA 31021
P(478) 272-4030
F(478) 277-0113

STATESBORO DISTRICT OFFICE
50 E. Main Street
Statesboro, GA 30458
P(912) 243-9452
F(912) 243-9453

VIDALIA DISTRICT OFFICE
107 Old Airport Road, Suite A
Vidalia, GA 30475
P(912) 403-3311
F(912) 403-3317

https://www.facebook.com/CongressmanRickAllen

https://twitter.com/@RepRickAllen

[DisgustipatedinCA]

101. What a dick. I hope everyone tells him so.

[sarcasmo]

103. The hateful sky being strikes again.

[SpankMe]

105. It can't be said enough:

Republican are mother fuckers.

[KansDem]

107. Ahh, more "wisdom" from illiterate Bronze-Age nomads...

and their champions: the GOP.

[retrowire]

108. Thanks separation of church and state! :D nt

[niyad]

111. sickened k and r. and for those who insist that there is actually a difference between

the christian and islamic view of the world, take note. (and note that one of the latest "honour" killings in pakistan was in a christian family)

[Arugula Latte]

116. Fuck religion.