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WeekendWarrior

(1,437 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:17 PM Jun 2012

Gas Prices Could Hit $2.50 a Gallon by November, Analyst Predicts

Source: South Florida Business Journal

Gas prices have been dropping steadily in Florida since April, and according to at least one analyst, that may just be the tip of the iceberg.

Energy analyst Philip Verleger told Bloomberg TV that U.S. drivers could see $2.50-a-gallon gas prices by November, the Boston Business Journal reports.

The cause is two-fold, he said: The price of oil has fallen sharply recently due to overproduction in Saudi Arabia, and falling demand due to Europe’s economic slowdown is also a factor.

Read more: http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/blog/morning-edition/2012/06/gas-prices-could-hit-250-a-gallon-by.html?ana=twt

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Gas Prices Could Hit $2.50 a Gallon by November, Analyst Predicts (Original Post) WeekendWarrior Jun 2012 OP
Wasn't this what Gingrich said he would do? mlevans Jun 2012 #1
lol liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #8
Bwwaahhhh! BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #17
We will all have to thank Newt for following through and ohgeewhiz Jun 2012 #25
Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Jun 2012 #2
which is why it is surprising for me... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #28
Drill baby drill BeyondGeography Jun 2012 #3
Heh. I hope I hope! NCarolinawoman Jun 2012 #43
Remember how the repukes were harping daily about Obama doing nothing to bring down gas prices? truthisfreedom Jun 2012 #4
great question liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #10
Why not take the credit? I'll go with honesty caraher Jun 2012 #11
You know that, and I know that LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2012 #19
Because Obama can't control the price Mz Pip Jun 2012 #20
because they'll look stupid when it goes back up TheFarseer Jun 2012 #32
Ahem. Because prosecutions are ongoing. sofa king Jun 2012 #41
Romney declares OBAMA A FAILURE! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #5
Meanwhile gvstn Jun 2012 #6
Natural Gas is at very low prices right now too Thav Jun 2012 #9
It's already down to $3.08 where I live. William769 Jun 2012 #7
In Los Angeles it's about $3.60 goclark Jun 2012 #38
It's Obama's Fault! AnnieBW Jun 2012 #12
$3.86 a gallon here in rural MI longship Jun 2012 #13
"experts" also predicted $6.00/gal gas only a few summers ago may3rd Jun 2012 #24
We got "lucky" and had a global recession NickB79 Jun 2012 #42
Roughly the same here in Reno, NV. nt DRoseDARs Jun 2012 #30
Is this one of the same 'analysts' that predicted $5 gas by Memorial Day? eom Purveyor Jun 2012 #14
LOL, yes, Always bring the red hot pokers to the experts prediction threads may3rd Jun 2012 #26
Economic analysts are mostly FOS and and their predictions are meaningless. DCBob Jun 2012 #35
Averaging in the high $3 range with some stations still over $4 in the Bay Area. bluesbassman Jun 2012 #15
Just paid $3.19 today here in North Georgia. RebelOne Jun 2012 #37
The global econony is crashing, but gas is cheap NickB79 Jun 2012 #16
Obama is being showered with praise all over the TV for this development bluestateguy Jun 2012 #18
It's the summer of the "stay-cation". Few can afford to hit the road anyway may3rd Jun 2012 #21
I hate the word "stay-cation"... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #29
That would be sweet liberal N proud Jun 2012 #22
That Would Be A Nice Stimulus DallasNE Jun 2012 #23
I predict a price spike around late Sept or early Oct just before the elections. cstanleytech Jun 2012 #27
They'll complain that the price is above expectation, and point to this article. Festivito Jun 2012 #34
Of course, according to the pundits, this doesnt help the President. DCBob Jun 2012 #31
So what else is new? This is typical of any extraction industry. happyslug Jun 2012 #33
Well, we all know how the price moves when the war drums start to beat may3rd Jun 2012 #36
Demand is down due to the ongoing recession, and stored supplies are rising. GliderGuider Jun 2012 #39
That damn Obama!!! Who does he think he is? He's the cause of this. And nanabugg Jun 2012 #40
Not bad but a 1.50 would be nicer. ileus Jun 2012 #44
 

ohgeewhiz

(193 posts)
25. We will all have to thank Newt for following through and
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

not actually running for President, just out selling his books on tour and helping to get the gas prices down.

Such a great American for doing that for us!

LOL

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
28. which is why it is surprising for me...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jun 2012

high gas prices at election time would be bad for the president, so I figured the gas companies would start ratcheting the price up.

truthisfreedom

(23,147 posts)
4. Remember how the repukes were harping daily about Obama doing nothing to bring down gas prices?
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jun 2012

Why aren't the Dems crowing daily about how much Obama's done to bring down the price of gas?

caraher

(6,278 posts)
11. Why not take the credit? I'll go with honesty
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:59 PM
Jun 2012

As the article says, it was Saudi overproduction and depressed demand in Europe, neither of which Obama controls. Just as it was never his fault when prices went up, either...

19. You know that, and I know that
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jun 2012

We have some concept of the world as a complex organism that nobody fully understands, and not a black-and-white entity which can be described in a four second sound bite. Blind men and elephant stuff, ya' know.

That being said, when the gas prices went up during Bush's regime, Fox and the GOP fell all over themselves explaining how the president had no control over the price of gas for the reasons you accurately stated.

But...

Whenever the prices dipped -- even a penny -- well, it was due solely to Bush's leadership.

Politics is weird.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
32. because they'll look stupid when it goes back up
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jun 2012

It came down for no good reason. It can just as well go up for no good reason.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
41. Ahem. Because prosecutions are ongoing.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:21 AM
Jun 2012

Back in April, all at once, federal authorities nailed several hundred speculators with price manipulation charges. Prices have dropped steadily since then.

It would have been easy to miss because the press reported on it practically not at all, except in the business community where they scoffed and claimed that rolling up a few hundred Republicans would do nothing:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-19/why-obamas-crackdown-on-oil-speculators-wont-work

But oh yes, it sure as hell did work, and as usual this President did it by utilizing the powers conferred upon the previous President by the Republican Congress. The bill was passed in 2008 largely to create the illusion that the Republicans wanted to do something about it.

I don't think they ever expected it to be used at all, much less against them.

So the bought press doesn't dare report on this story, because there is more hubris in it than in one of Sophocles' plays. Republicans get busted manipulating oil prices, thanks to a Republican-drafted law, throwing the door wide open to the question of whether or not this exact same manipulation was used in the summer of 2000, when oil speculation pulled it close enough to steal.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
6. Meanwhile
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jun 2012

During the second warmest winter on record heating oil prices were at some of their highest rates.

This game is rigged and all winter while prices were up the media hyped $5 a gallon gas like there was a shortage of oil to keep the game going. Just common sense that if the East Coast is averaging 40-50F days then the US is going to be using a lot less oil yet prices stayed high.

Not sure why they are going down now it isn't like Saudi Arabia doesn't keep a tight look on supplies versus demand. I guess they have only so much room for stockpiles.

Thav

(946 posts)
9. Natural Gas is at very low prices right now too
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jun 2012

To make up for it, our utility is raising rates on basic service and transmission. Sure nat. gas prices are LOW, but bills haven't gone down.

Just like when they sold the natural gas power plant south of town. "Oh it's gonna be so awesome, jobs and cheaper electricity for everyone!" 6 months after it was fired up: "We need to raise rates to recover the cost of building the plant." 5 years later, bills have only gone up.

Such a racket.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
38. In Los Angeles it's about $3.60
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jun 2012

That's down a bit for us.

Keep it coming down until after the election ~ one less thing for the Rethugs

AnnieBW

(10,426 posts)
12. It's Obama's Fault!
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:10 PM
Jun 2012

The poor oil companies might only make 200% profit this quarter! Obama is anti-business!

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
24. "experts" also predicted $6.00/gal gas only a few summers ago
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jun 2012

Few placed ever saw regular gas go over $4/gal for a long period of time.

I bet these experts will not be held to account either when gas fails to reach $2.50/gal.

I will be watching ..
with gas @ $3.50/gal here, I doubt they will fall a full dollar in four months.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
42. We got "lucky" and had a global recession
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jun 2012

Which destroyed global demand for oil by throttling economies.

And it looks like we're heading for Round 2 now.....

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
26. LOL, yes, Always bring the red hot pokers to the experts prediction threads
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jun 2012

I recall predictions of $500/bbl oil a half decade ago.

Now the oil producer countries that require it to stay above the $100/bbl to keep the minions happy will have to start beating the straw man

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
35. Economic analysts are mostly FOS and and their predictions are meaningless.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:59 AM
Jun 2012

Much like predicting the weather months in advance.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
37. Just paid $3.19 today here in North Georgia.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jun 2012

I have a feeling it is going to be well below that by next week. I was pumping and the pump stopped at $32 and I was amazed because it usually takes about $35 or more to fill my tank.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
16. The global econony is crashing, but gas is cheap
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jun 2012

Party time!

If we re-enter a recession, even $2.50/gal will be more than many could afford, seeing as millions more Americans will be losing their jobs. Really, I understand how people think this sounds good at first glance, but if you dig deeper the implications are disturbing.

It's like a doctor telling a diabetic good news about how he'll never have to spend money on shoes again, because his legs are going to be amputated.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
18. Obama is being showered with praise all over the TV for this development
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

Well, I'm sure I find that on one channel, anyway.

Right?

RIGHT?

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
21. It's the summer of the "stay-cation". Few can afford to hit the road anyway
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jun 2012

It's an economic indicator of not so great times.

Fewer gallons burned means a glut of gasoline. AT least the inflation of food prices will remain in check.
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. I hate the word "stay-cation"...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jun 2012

who ever thought it up probably thought they were pretty damn cute, but it just goes to show the fact that Americans are staying at home because they don't have money to spend.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
23. That Would Be A Nice Stimulus
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jun 2012

For the economy, that's for sure. With oil now below $80 a barrel one wonders why gas prices are still around $3.43. Historically, when oil is at this price gas prices are around $2.90 a gallon. I believe that part of this is due to speculators being allowed into the market as part of deregulation.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
34. They'll complain that the price is above expectation, and point to this article.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:31 AM
Jun 2012

They don't need the actual price to rise in order to make political hay.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
31. Of course, according to the pundits, this doesnt help the President.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:47 PM
Jun 2012

The price of gas only matters when its high.. then he's doomed.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
33. So what else is new? This is typical of any extraction industry.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:07 AM
Jun 2012

Unless someone is controlling production and price, strong upward moves in price, followed by strong downward movement in price is typical of any extraction industry UNLESS someone is controlling production to keep prices steady.

Standard Oil provided that control through its monopoly of oil from the 1860s to 1912 (When Standard Oil was broken up AND just before the huge oil findings in Texas).

From the 1930s till 1969, world wide oil prices were set by the Texas Railroad Commission, which had the power to restrict how much oil could be produced in Texas. In 1969, for the first time since the WWII, The Texas Railroad Commission permitted full production of Texas oil. This ability to produce more oil then the world could use AND the Commission willingness to restrict production so that the price of oil would stay stable, was the key to the Texas Railroad Commissions ability to set world wide oil prices. Texas ability to produce more oil then it was (do to Restriction imposed by the Texas Railroad commission, made Texas the "Swing producer" of oil. This loss of the ability to control price (i.e. Texas ceased being the "Swing Producer of oil in 1969) by the mean fact Texas Oil production was less then the demand for oil, Texas was no longer the "Swing Producer" of oil;. This lead to the price instability of oil from 1969-1973. Prices went from 25 cents a gallon to 35 cents a gallon BEFORE the oil embargo of 1973 (which saw the priced go to 60-70 cents a gallon).

By the early 1980s, Saudi Arabia and become the new "Swing producer" of oil. Saudi Arabia set the price of oil from the 1980s till about 2000. I remember Thaxter trying to get a larger share of the world wide oil market with her then new North Sea oil production in the mid 1980s. She tried to sell more oil (So she could have the money to break the British Unions, starting with the miners) but finally after a couple of years, Saudi Arabia taught her a lesson, the House of Saud dropped its production of oil so that the world wide price of oil fell below the cost to produce North Sea Oil. This lasted about three months, then Saudi Arabia's production of oil was reduced to a price just above the cost to produce North Sea Oil and Thacher having learned her lesson, matched Saudi Arab's price, and the House of Saud kept the price of oil stable from that point forward (increasing production when the Soviet Union Collapsed along with Russia's oil production and exports, and then decreasing production with the oil crisis of 1997 when do to massive loss of income in the Far East, oil consumption dropped).

The problem is sometime after 2000 (And the best guess in 2005) Saudi Arabia ability to increase production came to an end (Officially no the House of Saud says it can increase production but several oil insiders do not think they can). If that is true then we are returning to oil prices of the 1850s and the 1970s ups and down (With a general push upward) but massive ups and downs in price.

Coal has always had this problem with price no one ever was able to come close to controlling how much coal is and is not produced. Thus you had massive booms and busts (You had similar booms and busts in the oil industry but overall the prices was more stable then coal do to the actions of Standard Oil then the Texas Railroad Commission and finally Saudi Arabia).

Thus with no one able to control production and thus price oil will go from $5 a gallon one year to $2 the following then $6 the following etc.

The present bust is caused by several things hitting at the same time first US oil consumption has been dropping since 2008. Americans used more oil in 2007 then it has since. People are going slower making less trips cutting out vacations etc. All of this has an effect on the price of oil.

Europe does NOT on a pre capital basis used as much oil as the US, but overall its is comparative. The problems with the Euro has lead to a similar drop in European oil consumption.

Thus the price of oil is dropping till it drops so much people start to buy more of it AND marginal wells are shut down do to the cost to produce oil from those wells exceed the price it cost to produce oil from those wells.

Given the above $2.50 sounds like a good bottoming out price. Might go lower, might stay higher, but sooner or later people have to buy oil for the upcoming winter and that will increase demand to push the price upward. Depending on how cold October and November gets will determine how long this drop in price will last. When temperatures start dropping below 50 degree people buy fuel that will provide a bottom for the price to bounce off of.

A side factor is Saudi Arabia has been using its Oil wealth to support the recent revolutions in Libya, Persian Gulf and Syria. Saudi Wealth is also tied in trying to suppress the revolt in Egypt. To do that AND keep its own people from revolting, oil price has to stay up OR if it does not increase oil production so that total revenue will stay what it has been. Thus you have an addition push for lower prices, increase Arabian OIl Production, even at the cost of future production.

It will be interesting how low the price will go and how fast.

By the 1980s, Saudi Arabia had become the new "Swing producer" of oil, like the Texas Railroad

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
39. Demand is down due to the ongoing recession, and stored supplies are rising.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:04 PM
Jun 2012

Ergo, the price falls. This ain't rocket science or conspiracy politics, folks, it's Econ 101.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
40. That damn Obama!!! Who does he think he is? He's the cause of this. And
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jun 2012

the voters will remember this come November!!

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