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Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:45 PM

Hacked Emails Reveal NATO General Plotting Against Obama on Russia Policy

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Source: The Intercept

RETIRED U.S. AIR FORCE Gen. Philip Breedlove, until recently the supreme commander of NATO forces in Europe, plotted in private to overcome President Barack Obama’s reluctance to escalate military tensions with Russia over the war in Ukraine in 2014, according to apparently hacked emails from Breedlove’s Gmail account that were posted on a new website called DC Leaks.

Obama defied political pressure from hawks in Congress and the military to provide lethal assistance to the Ukrainian government, fearing that doing so would increase the bloodshed and provide Russian President Vladimir Putin with the justification for deeper incursions into the country.

Breedlove, during briefings to Congress, notably contradicted the Obama administration regarding the situation in Ukraine, leading to news stories about conflict between the general and Obama.

But the leaked emails provide an even more dramatic picture of the intense back-channel lobbying for the Obama administration to begin a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine.

In a series of messages in 2014, Breedlove sought meetings with former Secretary of State Colin Powell, asking for advice on how to pressure the Obama administration to take a more aggressive posture toward Russia.

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“Given Obama’s instruction to you not to start a war, this may be a tough sell,” Ullman replied a few months later, in another string of emails about Breedlove’s effort to “leverage, cajole, convince or coerce the U.S. to react” to Russia.

Read more: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/01/nato-general-emails/

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Reply Hacked Emails Reveal NATO General Plotting Against Obama on Russia Policy (Original post)
uawchild Jul 2016 OP
sheshe2 Jul 2016 #1
forest444 Jul 2016 #4
floriduck Jul 2016 #6
sheshe2 Jul 2016 #9
floriduck Jul 2016 #10
sheshe2 Jul 2016 #13
uawchild Jul 2016 #15
uawchild Jul 2016 #12
uawchild Jul 2016 #8
sheshe2 Jul 2016 #14
PatrickforO Jul 2016 #19
benld74 Jul 2016 #2
forest444 Jul 2016 #3
uawchild Jul 2016 #5
forest444 Jul 2016 #7
PatrickforO Jul 2016 #20
forest444 Jul 2016 #21
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #11
ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #16
avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #17
Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #18
etherealtruth Jul 2016 #22

Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:29 PM

1. Comments are not allowed in

LBN Op.

You can comment down thread, yet not in the original OP.

THIS is an great example of what makes President Obama an outstanding statesman, his ability to resist the neo-cons, the military and the gaggle of war mongerers apparently in the State Department.


You are using LBN to smear Hillary.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:36 PM

4. I believe uawchild is mostly referring to Vicky Nuland (Mrs. Robert "PNAC" Kagan).

Although she's probably best known for boasting that "we have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals" and that "our man Yatz" (the pro-privatization shill Arseny Yatsenyuk) should be used as a figurehead to help disguise all the neo-Nazi (Svoboda) influence in the new Ukrainian government.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:38 PM

6. I'm confused. How does this smear Hillary? She's not even referred to in the OP.

 

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Response to floriduck (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:43 PM

9. Aaaah. Cute they edited.

See the quote in post#1.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:46 PM

10. If it was due to "warmongers in the State Department", that puts a lot of people in play.

 

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Response to floriduck (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:04 PM

13. Since the reference

of the original post, since edited, was hacked emails, neo-con and warmonger. She is called that and more everyday. One could only conclude they meant Hillary.

I apologize if I was incorrect.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:14 PM

15. umm

the hacked emails referenced in the article were General Breedlove's, not Hillary's. Glad this is cleared up.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:51 PM

12. And reposted the same comment down thread as you suggested.

n/t

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:41 PM

8. Thank you about comment section, it's removed in op

And as for the apparent war mongerers in the state department, I am referring to THESE people...

51 U.S. Diplomats Urge Strikes Against Assad in Syria
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/middleeast/syria-assad-obama-airstrikes-diplomats-memo.html?_r=0

State Department Draft Dissent Memo on Syria
In a draft version of a dissent memo filed with the State Department's senior leadership, dozens of diplomats and other mid-level officials called for military strikes against President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. The document was provided to The Times by a State Department official on condition
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/17/world/middleeast/document-state-dept-syria.html

So NO smear against Hillary was intended, sorry for thinking everyone here knew about this state department memo, it was big news.
Also, Hillary isn't in the state department now, so it never occurred to me that anyone would think the state department comment was in anyway directed at her. Thanks for the opportunity to make myself clearer.

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Response to uawchild (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:07 PM

14. Good.

LBN hosts, I am not one, would have locked your thread. I never post LBN, so most of the rules are fuzzy for me.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:41 PM

19. I didn't get that from the OP. There is a steadfast group of

(I guess you could call them) war mongers in State. These tend to be high level bureaucrats that can't really be touched by cabinet secretaries. No SoS can get rid of them. The best we can do is formulate policies that don't get us into world conflagrations.

You must remember that the liberals, the socialist New Dealers, in State were purged viciously during the Red Scare days, and the survivors of those purges tended to be conservative interventionists. For instance, George Kennan developed the policy on 'containment,' which went hand in hand with the so-called domino theory, and look where that got us.

People age, and after the cold war was over, the old professional diplomats and operatives left and were replaced with a new breed of neocon hawk, the likes of Elliot Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, Robert McFarlane, and Robert Kagan.

What people need to realize is these people are ENTRENCHED at State and in other cabinet departments.

So I think we can safely say that the OP really doesn't blame Clinton, even indirectly. Bill maybe, but not Hillary. I mean, I'm not real thrilled with Clinton as our nominee, but let's be fair. She's not at fault for every warmongering thing State does. And, notice how this NATO general did NOT get his way...

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:30 PM

2. Sorely missed is correct

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:31 PM

3. Neocon trolls in 4,3,2,1...

Mrs. Kagan (Vicky Nuland) must be having a fit.

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:36 PM

5. THIS

THIS is an great example of what makes President Obama an outstanding statesman, his ability to resist the neo-cons, the military and the gaggle of war mongerers apparently in the State Department.

Obama will be sorely missed when he leaves office.

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Response to uawchild (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:41 PM

7. Hear, hear.

Can you imagine what 'bomb-bomb' McCain or Robmey and his 19 Bush-era foreign policy advisers could have put us - and the world - into by now?

Unthinkable.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:44 PM

20. Yeah I remember McCain singing that - bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...

I can remember that and being horrified by it.

And now we have clueless Trump wanting to throw nukes around in Europe.

These people CAN'T be allowed anywhere near the nuclear football.

Just..................

NO

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:48 PM

21. I can still hear his breathing through his teeth as he said it. Rethugs are regular Greg Stillsons.

Stephen King really is something of a visionary.

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:49 PM

11. duplicate thread of

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:19 PM

16. I'm very happy to read President Obama is

resisting the pressure to escalate violence.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:21 PM

17. I am too.

 

I am very impressed with Obama on this issue.

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:29 PM

18. Obama never purged the "Loyal Bushies".

 

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Response to uawchild (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:28 PM

22. I am sorry, LOCKING as a duplicate thread (prohibited in LBN)

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