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IronLionZion

(45,441 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:12 PM Jul 2016

Suspect Fires Machine Gun at Cops During Car Chase Prompting Capitol Complex Lockdown

Source: ABC News

Police chased a car with a suspect armed with a machine gun through Washington, D.C., streets this afternoon, prompting a brief lockdown at the Capitol complex.

Three people were taken into custody, D.C. Metro Police Chief Cathy Lanier said, and the weapon was recovered.

The incident began when officers, who were at 4th St. SW and P St. SW, about 2 miles south of the Capitol, saw someone they thought they had a lookout alert on, Lanier said. The car fled the area.

While officers chased the car, one suspect extended an arm out the window with a gun and fired a shot toward the police behind the car, Lanier said.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/capitol-complex-lockdown-police/story?id=40529280





Another link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/capitol-complex-on-lockdown-after-suspicious-activity-reported/2016/07/12/2f37b68a-486e-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html
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Suspect Fires Machine Gun at Cops During Car Chase Prompting Capitol Complex Lockdown (Original Post) IronLionZion Jul 2016 OP
It would be SOOO sweet if it was... 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #1
short video AntiBank Jul 2016 #2
More Guns,,,, More Idiots,,,,,, Drink! Cryptoad Jul 2016 #3
"It wasn't a machine gun!" in 5..4..3..2.. forest444 Jul 2016 #4
I don't think it matters what type of gun the key thing is that they were stupid enough to shoot it cstanleytech Jul 2016 #6
Absolutely. forest444 Jul 2016 #8
Hmm the thing I think annoys me is the people trying to denigrate the pro gun people cstanleytech Jul 2016 #14
I hear you...but chowder66 Jul 2016 #18
Oh I can understand being exhausted but the problem still exists that by denigrating them for cstanleytech Jul 2016 #19
Nonetheless, the make/model of the firearm is always important to Gun Enthusiasts. Paladin Jul 2016 #24
it matters Locrian Jul 2016 #22
Lot's of people don't know the difference between machine gun and automatic rifle either. ileus Jul 2016 #35
Article says "fired a shot", so no, it likely WASNT a "machine gun" 7962 Jul 2016 #10
There you go, Forrest. You counted it down to the second. Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #11
So you dont think a news story should be accurate? Especially the headline? 7962 Jul 2016 #13
I guess what I am saying is "I don't give a flying fuck if it is full auto or semi auto" Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #15
Perfect. n/t. Scruffy1 Jul 2016 #16
Or if in a fatal traffic accident, a sedan rather than the coup was reported as the vehicle. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #25
Use of the term "machine gun" is nothing but fear mongering click bait. 7962 Jul 2016 #27
I stopped measuring mine at 15 MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #34
HAHAHAHAAHA!!!! 7962 Jul 2016 #36
semiautomatic Mac-11 handgun IronLionZion Jul 2016 #12
To be honest I cant see why anyone would need those for home defense. cstanleytech Jul 2016 #20
You are correct. 7962 Jul 2016 #28
Gun humpers have lots of enemies, most are imaginary IronLionZion Jul 2016 #29
It's interesting about this gun hollowdweller Jul 2016 #33
The civilian ones are basically a Glock made less concealable. benEzra Jul 2016 #37
The only reason it matters is legal... malthaussen Jul 2016 #30
Hope they catch this a**hole quickly. iandhr Jul 2016 #5
Idiots - no brains. 840high Jul 2016 #7
in other words, gun humper Skittles Jul 2016 #17
He was in the wrong place. . . OldRedneck Jul 2016 #9
Guns are a pox on the entire world. nt onehandle Jul 2016 #21
That must have gotten the NRA hard as a rock. Gun porn. Vinca Jul 2016 #23
WaPo report indicates the gunmen TeddyR Jul 2016 #26
Wow, this image looks very familiar. Yonnie3 Jul 2016 #31
because 'man throws gun out of car during police chase' won't generate any interest/clicks. Sunlei Jul 2016 #32

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
6. I don't think it matters what type of gun the key thing is that they were stupid enough to shoot it
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jul 2016

at a cop and now they probably aren't looking at simple possession charges.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
8. Absolutely.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jul 2016

I only bring it up because every time someone mentions an incident involving a machine gun some gun nut will be sure to crawl out of the woodwork to scold you for calling their baby a "machine gun."

"It's an assault rifle; can't you tell the difference!" they'll shriek (usually in all-caps) - and yes, I have seen it happen a couple of times even here on DU.

Qué será.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
14. Hmm the thing I think annoys me is the people trying to denigrate the pro gun people
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jul 2016

on the forum by calling them gun-humpers.
For some reason (probably due to mother teaching me to atleast try and treat others like I would want to be treated like) it just strikes a raw nerve with me and I am not even in favor of people other than maybe current military and or retired ones (who are federally licensed which they have to renew every two years and are fully insured at their own expense with a private insurer) from owning those damn things.

chowder66

(9,068 posts)
18. I hear you...but
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:59 AM
Jul 2016

I think people (as decent as they can be) are tired. That doesn't make it right but I truly believe it's exhaustion of death and violence.
And guns represent that to a 'T'.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
19. Oh I can understand being exhausted but the problem still exists that by denigrating them for
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:46 AM
Jul 2016

their opinion it solves nothing and just creates a rift that leads the person being denigrated more often than not to ignoring perfectly valid ideas that the person making the denigrating comments might actually have.
Not to mention its just outright rude to do to anyone.

Paladin

(28,257 posts)
24. Nonetheless, the make/model of the firearm is always important to Gun Enthusiasts.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jul 2016
Always.

Concentrating on initial reports from the media as to the accuracy of what sort of gun was used---rather than the loss of life or how unsuited the shooter was for firearms ownership of any sort---is a time-worn pro-gun diversionary tactic.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
22. it matters
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:44 AM
Jul 2016

exactly for that reason. Inaccurate reporting and terms give ammunition (pun intended) for people to diminish the overall issue by framing the debate / derailing the debate on technicalities.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
10. Article says "fired a shot", so no, it likely WASNT a "machine gun"
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jul 2016

If the writer even knows what one IS.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
13. So you dont think a news story should be accurate? Especially the headline?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jul 2016

What if the story said a "mob" robbed a store & it was only 2 people? People would criticize that as well, rightfully so

Midnight Writer

(21,762 posts)
15. I guess what I am saying is "I don't give a flying fuck if it is full auto or semi auto"
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jul 2016

I don't care about the shape of the stock or the rounds per second it fires or the speed of the projectiles.

Some needle dick fuck with an inferiority complex is firing his penis substitute out the window of a moving car to prove his manhood is bigger than his dad's.

I will bet dollars to donuts that the gun is designed to look as fearsome and deadly as true military hardware, even if it isn't.

Full auto or semi auto? Hell, I don't know and I don't care. I have fired both and I know you can clear a street full of people pretty efficiently with either.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. Or if in a fatal traffic accident, a sedan rather than the coup was reported as the vehicle.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jul 2016

Or if in a fatal traffic accident, a sedan rather than the coup was reported as the vehicle. The horror. The horror....

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
27. Use of the term "machine gun" is nothing but fear mongering click bait.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jul 2016

Because people watch too many movies. "Machine gun" gives the unknowing a vision of Rambo holding a 50 cal.
Thats also how we end up with SO many conspiracy theories. So many "action" movies always have the "hero" finding out that its been the GOVERNMENT after him all along! And usually some double secret group that even the president isnt aware of!

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
20. To be honest I cant see why anyone would need those for home defense.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:49 AM
Jul 2016

If defense is the goal though I would think a regular old shotgun would do the job just fine especially since it spreads out after you fire it thus the ability to hit the target is actually improved.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
28. You are correct.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

These types of guns are more for looks than anything else. Good for defending yourself if you're in a bathroom, otherwise most rounds will go thru the ceiling!!

IronLionZion

(45,441 posts)
29. Gun humpers have lots of enemies, most are imaginary
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jul 2016

For home defense, it's very easy to miss the bad guy and accidentally shoot through dry wall and hit your kids in the next room. It has happened in my hometown.

The only pro-gun argument I've heard for defense with high capacity weapons is to put down lots of people in a riot/zombie/drug addicts situation where lots of irrational people are trying to kill your family. What's more likely to happen is for a paranoid idiot to falsely believe people are trying to kill their family when they are really just assembling peacefully for political protests or something.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
33. It's interesting about this gun
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jul 2016

Back in the 70's Clint Eastwood had the Dirty Harry movie where he had that Smith and Wesson .44 magnum. Back then not that many people had them or wanted them. Sort of punishing to shoot the recoil is so bad. My grandad did a lot of gun trading and was shaking his head at how the price went up and everybody wanted one after the movie, which he was willing to make money off of but thought the buyers were stupid.

Then, the name escapes me, but John Wayne came out with a movie where he used a MAC 10 and they started making semi auto knock offs of the gun after that.

During the Yom Kippur war everybody saw the badass looking UZI and wanted one so they started making copies of them in semi auto.

I always thought it was silly.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
37. The civilian ones are basically a Glock made less concealable.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jul 2016

They're still non-automatic handguns firing pistol cartridges. They're not all that popular, in part because they have less capability than an ordinary-looking pistol shooting the same ammunition.

The restricted Title 2 automatic versions (the middle 3 in your pic) are a different story, but I doubt that was what was used here.

malthaussen

(17,194 posts)
30. The only reason it matters is legal...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jul 2016

... if it was a fully-automatic weapon, then it is probably not registered or licensed by Treasury. Which is relevant, because it ties into the question of laws for the sale of firearms. Making or enforcing as many laws as one pleases will not have much affect on illegal weapons.

-- Mal

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
9. He was in the wrong place. . .
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jul 2016

The guy leaning out of the car window, firing at cops, thought he was in Cleveland, prepping for the GOP Convention.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
26. WaPo report indicates the gunmen
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:00 AM - Edit history (1)

Who were all captured, had a Mac-11. That is in fact an automatic weapon so is almost certainly an illegal banned firearm.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-11

On edit, it could have been a semi-auto version of the weapon. None of the stories are particularly clear, and many journalists lack even basic knowledge about the firearms they report on.

Yonnie3

(17,437 posts)
31. Wow, this image looks very familiar.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jul 2016

I found photos of this street in my phone (without the police.) I spent an afternoon and evening hanging out on this block when we had a rooftop event at the Hamilton. I recall thinking for once in DC I feel safe hanging out on the street at night. I had the van parked where you see the car in the lower left. No drama that night. You just never know in the city.

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