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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:54 AM Jul 2016

Drone infiltrates Israeli border with Syria, interception fails

Source: Israel Hayom

Two Patriot missiles and a third air-to-air missile fail to intercept unidentified drone, which returned to Syrian territory • A Hezbollah associate reportedly claims the drone was an attempt "to test the alertness of the Israeli military."

Israel on Sunday fired missiles towards an unmanned drone that entered Israeli airspace from Syria, the IDF said in a statement.

"Two Patriot air defense missiles were fired towards a drone that infiltrated Israeli airspace in the central Golan Heights. The drone returned to Syria," the statement said. Both Patriot missiles failed to intercept the drone, with shrapnel from one of them landing in Kibbutz Ayelet Hashahar and lightly wounding a 14-year-old girl. The girl was evacuated to Ziv Medical Center in Safed for treatment.

An air raid siren was heard in the Golan region immediately before the Patriot missiles were fired. Fighter jets were also reportedly sent to shoot down the drone with an air-to-air missile, but also failed to hit the target.

Read more: http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=35041




Remnants of the Patriot missile in Kibbutz Ayelet Hashahar
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Drone infiltrates Israeli border with Syria, interception fails (Original Post) uhnope Jul 2016 OP
Say WHAT? uawchild Jul 2016 #1
It is not impenetrable. iandhr Jul 2016 #5
Your thinking and/or facts were seriously in error. Igel Jul 2016 #13
Lol NWCorona Jul 2016 #15
I'm envisioning a child's toy causing all of this. groundloop Jul 2016 #2
... alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #8
THREAD WINNER! ^^^^^^^ uawchild Jul 2016 #16
Israel will take necessary steps if it comes to that 6chars Jul 2016 #3
Putin has gotta be laughing at this one. KeepItReal Jul 2016 #4
It was a Syrian drone bought on amazon uawchild Jul 2016 #6
It's still an expensive way to "lightly injure" a 14-yr old girl in a kibbutz. Nihil Jul 2016 #17
How big was this thing? Renew Deal Jul 2016 #7
I wonder too but it was big enough to have a SAM lock on. NWCorona Jul 2016 #10
Probably pretty small uawchild Jul 2016 #12
What is up with Israeli tech? Two Patriots and a SAM couldn't take this drone out NWCorona Jul 2016 #9
Probably a very small target uawchild Jul 2016 #11
A definite possibility but still not a good look. NWCorona Jul 2016 #14

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
1. Say WHAT?
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jul 2016

"Two Patriot missiles and a third air-to-air missile fail to intercept unidentified drone, which returned to Syrian territory."

WTF. I thought the Iron Dome was impenetrable? Why are we investing so much money in anti-missile defense if DRONES, and I assume cruise missiles and hypersonic-glide missiles, can just penetrate them like this?

"Iron Dome (Hebrew: כִּפַּת בַּרְזֶל, kippat barzel) is a mobile all-weather air defense system[8] developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aircraft Industries.[7] The system is designed to intercept and destroy short-range rockets and artillery shells fired from distances of 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) to 70 kilometres (43 mi) away and whose trajectory would take them to a populated area.[9][10] Israel hopes to increase the range of Iron Dome's interceptions, from the current maximum of 70 kilometres (43 mi) to 250 kilometres (160 mi) and make it more versatile so that it could intercept rockets coming from two directions simultaneously.[11]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
5. It is not impenetrable.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jul 2016

It's as a success rate In the mid 90s to the best of my knowledge. But it was mostly created to send again rocket attacks from Gaza. It's defenses against this type of thing probably hasn't been tried yet.

Igel

(35,374 posts)
13. Your thinking and/or facts were seriously in error.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jul 2016

Then there's the false dilemma fallacy--it's either 100% or completely useless.

My umbrella doesn't keep my feet dry in a downpour. Therefore, I shouldn't bother with it at all.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
16. THREAD WINNER! ^^^^^^^
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jul 2016

Ah, for the days of an actual anti-war movement.

I wax nostalgically.

Great song, what a blast from the past, pun intended. lol

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
4. Putin has gotta be laughing at this one.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

That's one bad ass Russian drone.

Evades a couple of Patriots and an air-to-air missile!?!

That's some serious stealth and/or maneuverability.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
6. It was a Syrian drone bought on amazon
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jul 2016

most likely. lol

Seriousy, the poster that said it was probably a toy drone seems pretty on target.

But better safe than sorry.

Israel was correct to try to destroy it, there was no way to tell what it might actually have been up to.
It does raise the issue that drones could be used as a harassment tool that forces a disproportionally expensive response from Israel.
I am sure experts are considering and planning to counter this.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
17. It's still an expensive way to "lightly injure" a 14-yr old girl in a kibbutz.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:17 AM
Jul 2016

Obviously it's a much nicer, gentler way to hurt people than just nasty bottle rockets
and it shows that her parents' tax money is being well-spent.

Better safe than sorry but it will provide embarrassment/amusement across that
border for a little while (at least until the Israelis do something really stupid in order
to salvage their "pride&quot .

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
12. Probably pretty small
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jul 2016

The Iron Dome radar can pick up some very small rockets, like these shown here:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp4fvBzDMn02TtYKiVFG_quhAYObqVwzaK1qdwzz2mN_W9xFw_

I suspect this drone was even smaller, making it harder to accurately lock onto.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
11. Probably a very small target
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jul 2016

Who knows, could very well have been a tiny commercial drone that was barely big enough to trigger on the radar.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
14. A definite possibility but still not a good look.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

Especially considering that Israeli drones have been hacked left and right.

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