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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:45 PM Jul 2016

State troopers from Mass., N.H. arrested and charged with assault after video showed officers punchi

Source: Washington Post

Authorities in New Hampshire said that they had arrested two state troopers and charged them with assault for their actions during a violent arrest captured on video earlier this year.

The arrest occurred after a long police chase that began in Massachusetts and ended in New Hampshire, after which at least two officers were seen on the video repeatedly punching the driver who had led the pursuit.

After video of the incident began to spread online, Joseph Foster, the New Hampshire attorney general, launched a criminal investigation into the episode. The New Hampshire State Police and Massachusetts State Police each pulled a trooper involved in the incident from duty while the investigation was carried out.

On Tuesday, Foster announced that the two troopers — Joseph Flynn, 32, of the Massachusetts State Police, and Andrew Monaco, 31, of the New Hampshire State Police — were arrested and charged with simple assault for their use of force during the arrest.

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State troopers from Mass., N.H. arrested and charged with assault after video showed officers punchi (Original Post) jpak Jul 2016 OP
Only two arrests? matt819 Jul 2016 #1
Looks like one good kick besides the punches. Hoppy Jul 2016 #2
Seems like a very divissive course of action given the politcal climate in the country at present. Chakab Jul 2016 #3
High speed police pursuits kill and maim far too many innocent victims. Hard to believe FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #4
Sounds like a violent person himself: christx30 Jul 2016 #5
Maybe so, but are any of those worthy of a death sentence? A jury is better than an officer to FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #6
Beating him was wrong. christx30 Jul 2016 #7
I don't even trust juries with the death penalty. roamer65 Jul 2016 #16
Some departments are better at using it than others. Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #9
Well I'm glad to hear your experience was exceptional. Love the sarge's response! In this day FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #10
Sorry for the late response, busy week at work! Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #14
I am sure I will get blasted here for this, but personally I have no problem with a little "tune-up" Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #8
"a drunk RUNNING FROM THE COPS slammed a car killing four teenage girls" FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #11
A drunk not running from the cops christx30 Jul 2016 #12
It's like the dude that led the cops on the horse chase in CA. Calista241 Jul 2016 #13
There was no excuse for that beating. roamer65 Jul 2016 #15
Officials: New Hampshire Trooper to Plead Guilty in Beating Eugene Aug 2016 #17

matt819

(10,749 posts)
1. Only two arrests?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

Looks like all but the lone cop in the right rear of the truck should have been arrested.

Hey, at least they didn't shoot the guy. Helps that he wasn't (or at least didn't appear to be) black.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
3. Seems like a very divissive course of action given the politcal climate in the country at present.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jul 2016

Certainly, the best thing to do would be to drop the charges and have the alleged assault "victim" invite those brave officers to a cookout in his backyard to make amends.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
4. High speed police pursuits kill and maim far too many innocent victims. Hard to believe
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jul 2016

such a dangerous method is still in use. A death sentence for often a minor traffic violation. Or worse a death sentence for some totally innocent other driver who had the bad luck to be smashed by the suspect or the police cruisers doing a 100 mph.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
5. Sounds like a violent person himself:
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jul 2016
The car chase that stretched from Massachusetts to New Hampshire began when the Holden, Mass., police tried to stop a pickup truck driven by Richard Simone of Worcester, according to the Massachusetts State Police. Simone, 50, was the subject of warrants for assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, larceny and failure to stop for officers, authorities said.


FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
6. Maybe so, but are any of those worthy of a death sentence? A jury is better than an officer to
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

decide a defendant's life.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
7. Beating him was wrong.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

But stopping him was the right thing to do, because he had warrants. Was he on his way to work? Was he on the way to put someone in the hospital? I'm glad he was stopped. Hope the beating he got didn't negate any consequences he should get for what he did.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
16. I don't even trust juries with the death penalty.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jul 2016

In too many cases evidence has been altered or removed from cases to get a conviction.

Everyone deserves a chance to prove their innocence.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
9. Some departments are better at using it than others.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jul 2016

When I did police dispatch a few years ago, the department I worked for was very, very selective about engaging in high speed chases. A high speed chase was only an option when the person they were chasing was known to be violent and/or armed, and then only when a sergeant or higher-ranking member of the department authorized it. A random officer didn't get to make that determination. If it was just someone refusing to pull over when a cop initiated a traffic stop, they'd let them go if there was nothing indicating that they were a threat to the community.

Best example of this policy I can recall was a guy who carjacked someone. He didn't use a weapon or any kind of violence, just pulled open the driver's door and ordered the driver out of the car. I was kinda surprised that they didn't authorize pursuit, and a sarge was like, "That's why you're supposed to have car insurance, and it's not worth the risk of killing a bystander to protect some dude's Honda."

Then you have the departments who'll cheerfully engage in high speed chases using any excuse at all as a pretext...

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
10. Well I'm glad to hear your experience was exceptional. Love the sarge's response! In this day
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:38 AM
Jul 2016

of dash cams it seems no big deal to just get the alleged perp later. Also, as we have seen all to often these days (but has been going on long before social media postings) a hot pursuit, or even just a respectful stop, of a person of color can end very badly. Well, not for the cop of course...

Welcome to DU by the way!

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
14. Sorry for the late response, busy week at work!
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jul 2016

Yep, the department I worked for had its shit together. I also recall a detective being busted for DUI, and being fired the next day. There was another instance of corruption, and as soon as it was discovered and proved, the cop was fired. They were both brought up on charges, too. If a department has a proper Internal Affairs division, it helps a lot.

And yeah, if you have their plate number, just query the DPS database and grab their address. Bingo bango, problem solved. Traffic stops are just a different thing, though, and most people don't understand. I didn't, until some cop friends enlightened me.

They're actually most nervous during traffic stops. That's largely because they have no idea what kind of person they're about to deal with. For all they know, you could be a wanted felon who's armed and dangerous, or a suburbanite who just missed a stop sign. For all they know, you could have a pound of cocaine in the car and you're panicking. They're most on edge, most jumpy, right then and there.

What I've learned to do is to get my license and paperwork out of the glovebox immediately after pulling over, before the officer approaches. If it's dark, turn on the dome light so they can see into the vehicle from a few steps away. Have your stuff on the dash in front of you, if you can, and keep both hands on the wheel. If you're not able to get your stuff out before they're at your window, what I say is, "Yes, officer. My wallet is in my back right pocket. I'm going to reach for it very slowly, and I'm going to show it to you as I bring it out. My registration is in the glovebox. I'm going to open it, then take my hand away so you can see into it. When you've seen inside, then I will get the registration."

It seems really exaggerated, but it shows them right out front that you know how they feel, and you understand their (legitimate) concerns and are trying to put them at ease. Both times I've done this, I got a warning rather than a ticket. But doing this allows the cop to relax, and makes it much less likely that things go south.

And thanks for the welcome, I'm loving it here at DU!

Midnight Writer

(21,753 posts)
8. I am sure I will get blasted here for this, but personally I have no problem with a little "tune-up"
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jul 2016

in certain situations. This guy went for miles at high speeds, endangering the civilians in the area and the cops trying to stop him. You know the adrenaline is rushing in these cops who just risked their lives trying to stop this maniac and if the culprit (and there is absolutely zero chance that this guy is innocent) gets knocked around a little, well, then he shouldn't be a violent criminal leading a high speed chase.

Thankfully no one was killed. Neither the criminal nor the civilians and cops he endangered.

Maybe not a purely professional police action, but in my opinion an understandable one.

Misdemeanor assault, maybe? The history of the cops should of course be taken into consideration, but this doesn't appear to be a Rodney King type assault where the guy was beaten and stomped in to pulp.

My personal experience comes into play here. When I was in high school, a drunk running from the cops slammed into a car carrying four teenage girls from my class. Killed them all. The guy was out of prison in three years. Cops see this kind of thing happen, and I can't hold it against them for being seriously, seriously pissed at this guy.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
11. "a drunk RUNNING FROM THE COPS slammed a car killing four teenage girls"
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:43 AM
Jul 2016

I rest my case about unwarranted police hot pursuits.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
13. It's like the dude that led the cops on the horse chase in CA.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016

Where they beat the daylights out of the guy on live television.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
15. There was no excuse for that beating.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jul 2016

The guy got out of the truck and assumed the position. Simply should have been handcuffed and put into the cop car.

I hope the cops lose their jobs.

Eugene

(61,881 posts)
17. Officials: New Hampshire Trooper to Plead Guilty in Beating
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Aug 2016

Source: Associated Press

Officials: New Hampshire Trooper to Plead Guilty in Beating

By MICHAEL CASEY, ASSOCIATED PRESS CONCORD, N.H. — Aug 23, 2016, 3:47 PM ET

A state trooper involved in the videotaped beating of a man after a 50-mile car chase through Massachusetts and New Hampshire is expected to plead guilty to several charges related to the incident, New Hampshire's attorney general's office said Tuesday.

Andrew Monaco, 31, of the New Hampshire State Police, was arrested in July along with Joseph Flynn, 32, of the Massachusetts State Police, on charges stemming from their use of force in the arrest of Richard Simone Jr. on May 11.

Video caught by a TV news helicopter appears to show Simone surrendering and officers then punching him repeatedly.

The office of New Hampshire Attorney General Joseph A. Foster says Monaco is expected to plead guilty Thursday to three counts of simple assault. The charge is a misdemeanor and carries up to a year in jail. Flynn faces two counts of simple assault.

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