Reagan shooter John Hinckley Jr. released to home stay

[jpak]

Source: CBS News

A federal judge has granted John Hinckley, Jr., the man who shot President Ronald Reagan in 1981, full-time release from St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C.where he has been in treatment since the shooting.

CBS News' Paula Reid reports St. Elizabeth's Hospital has a constitutional obligation to transition patients to outpatient care when they are ready. This case is not about the merits of whether an individual should be able to shoot four people, including a sitting U.S. President, and then be able to spend the last third of his life a free man. The hospital believes he is ready for this next step to independent living and is required by law to advocate for his release.

Doctors responsible for treating Hinckley urged last year to grant him a form of permanent leave from the psychiatric facility.

The last hearing in this case was more than a year ago and the government pushed for strict conditions for his release as he goes to live with his 90 year-old mother in Williamsburg, Virginia. The court has ordered him not to speak to the media -a consistent condition of his release even on short-term trips to visit his mom.

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[bravenak]

1. What? How?

[Javaman]

2. I wonder how Jodie Foster feels about this? nt

[Chasstev365]

3. I'll bet she's impressed; really impressed!

[christx30]

26. Wonder how Hinkley is going to feel

when he finds out Trump is dating Foster.

Sorry. Old joke. I'll see myself out.

[femmocrat]

4. The republicans are going to go bonkers. nt

[Botany]

5. He has served 35 years for attempted murder

Which is longer then most would have served for the same crime but I
am sure with the help of the NRA and or gun shows he will be able to
get a firearm w/out background checks.

[jpak]

7. If he has internet and a credit card

He can get all the holy gunz he wants.

No questions asked

yup

[Botany]

8. In OH all you have to do is go to a gun show because inside the show and in ...

.... parking lot around the show lots of deals go down without any background checks.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

38. The medical examiner classified Brady's death in 2014 as a homicide.

[NurseJackie]

40. Picking nits ...

... but could it be argued that Brady died as a result of his injuries? Or that he would have likely lived much longer had he not been shot? If so, would that make Hinckley a murderer?

[Mc Mike]

6. And the bush family has a bone to pick with dRumpf. nt.

[forest444]

9. Absolutely, Mike.

One can almost hear the Arthur Bremer scenarios turning in those Rasputinesque minds of theirs. Worst of all, they have the intelligence contacts to possibly make it happen.

As awful as The Donald is I certainly hope he's aware of that risk, and is taking all the appropriate precautions.

[Mc Mike]

15. Haig was very surprised that the bush-hinckley connections didn't become an issue.

Colson and Nixon were involved in having Bremer's domicile burglarized to take away evidence linking Bremer to Nixon, and plant evidence linking Bremer to Dems. The 'successful' 'lone nuts' are always from their side.

[forest444]

18. It is what it is. And let's face it: most people don't want to believe it.

As for the shooters themselves, they're definitely not talking (waay too medicated for that).

Did you catch this one sentence:

The court has ordered him not to speak to the media -a consistent condition of his release even on short-term trips to visit his mom.

The court was very emphatic about that last point, no doubt.

[Mc Mike]

22. I remember that tabloidish swirl of 'news source' interest in his fake Jody Foster fixation.

The judge doesn't want any high-profile media controversy, I guess. It's not like he's going to actually say anything based in solid reality, about his family's massive documented connections to the bush crime family. You never get anything factual out of sirhan or manson, just stupid rationalizations and crazy outlandish statements.

[forest444]

23. Well said.

I suspect we may have another go at this subject before too long, Mike.

[Mc Mike]

27. Could be, forest. I'm with you, that I don't want anything violent to happen to

that creep dRumpf, either. I just want him humiliatingly crushed at the polls. Our side doesn't resort to hit squads to win, we have policies that are much more representative of the vast majority of voters, and we're not hate-filled and murderous by nature. Their side does promote violence and extra-electoral killings, because their policies are exclusively beneficial to a tiny minority of special interests.

[forest444]

31. Hate sells, alas.

As I'm sure you've noticed, whenever one gets into these discussion with a Republican, dig deep enough and their real problem is almost always with "blacks on welfare."

Republican strategists were quick to understand that. Which stands to reason because divide-and-conquer has always been a scoundrel's first resort.

Qué será, right?

[Mc Mike]

35. Hey, I just saw on Dem Now! for 7/21

during Amy's interview with Dartmouth prof Jeff Sharlet, that Mike Pence's political mentor was Chuck Colson.

And you're right about their divide and conquer. And they've been flogging their 'welfare cheat' b.s. for every campaign since Nixon, while they actually do all their work for the biggest corporate welfare special interest people and companies. They work exclusively for the moocher class, parasitic ticks who do nothing for the country, and do no work.

[forest444]

36. Well, speak of the Devil!

It's Chuck "rat-fuck" Colson. Living proof as much as anyone that there is indeed no justice in the world (or very little anyway).

Thanks for the heads up, Mike. I'll go straight to the Dem Now You Tube channel to catch it. Should be fun!

[Mc Mike]

39. Chuck saw the light when he was in the pen. Like Jeb Magruder.

Before jail, he was a right wing religious repug who ran goon squads and enemies lists. After, he was a religious right wing repug who backed the movements that spawn goon squads and make 'dead or alive' posters of people on their enemies list. Quite different, totally different.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/05/12/anti-abortion-extremist-neal-horsley-has-died

Pence statement on his mentor's passing:
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/895719500.html

Dem now:

"You’ve got guys like Mike Pence, and in that speech and in other speeches where he says what we need is a marriage of moral and fiscal conservatism—you can’t have one without the other. Abortion, as he says, is an economic issue. That comes, for him, from one of his mentors, a guy named Chuck Colson, one of the leaders of the Christian right, died a few years ago, more famous—or infamous—as one of Nixon’s dirty tricks men, who went to prison, was born again and came out as a sort of a house intellectual of the Christian right, where he mentored men like Mike Pence in this idea that all of these things are bundled up."
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/21/jeff_sharlet_on_common_thread_between

On the other hand, since Pence was a concession to the Koch birchers, dRumpf just added another vector that threatens harm to him. He doesn't just have nervous mob business connections that might want him to shut up, extremely disgruntled far-right nazi bush intel people who hate him and have a track record of acting when they're disgruntled, connections to a KGB dictator who has already reached out internationally to eliminate liabilities, dalliances with all kinds of unstable and violent neo-nazis within his campaign -- now he has put in a guy as his back up who the Koch birchers like while they hate dRumpf, and who idolizes Chuck Bremer Colson.

If something happens to him, it's a Reichstag fire, no doubt.

[yurbud]

20. Hinckley failed

[Mc Mike]

24. But sure succeeded in getting right next to Prez Raygun, with a gun.

He succeeded in shooting several people right around the prez. He succeeded in shooting Raygun, though he didn't succeed in getting Poppy elevated to Prez. Unlike dozens of unhinged individuals who've been stopped by secret service or police security way before they get anywhere near their targets.

Why quibble? Do you really think you're telling me something I don't know, that Raygun didn't die in the incident?

[snooper2]

41. so the secret service were in on it too?

[Mc Mike]

42. I never claimed that. Why the straw man, snoop?

Why don't we just go with 'he was a lone nut', like usual? If that will make you happy, I'll just say that.

[snooper2]

43. Oh no, that would make the world boring, we need people to have extravagant conspiracy theories!

Plus you never know when one guy with all the right research...is actually....RIGHT!

[Mc Mike]

44. Doubling down, eh?

You're just spoiling for a fight, apparently. Atsamatta, you're bored, you like the drama, there aren't enough juicy repug targets around, or is it personal?

So I'm like the wacky character played by the hateful deranged violent lying loathsome opus dei anti-semite? Because I pointed out the close relationship between the Hinckleys and bushs? Which combines with dozens of modern attempts vs US presidents where the lone nut never got close, because their security is first rate.

I never had a run in with you before, though I have of course seen you post. You've never made any negative impression on me like the extreme anti-octafish gadflies, or the reactivated member who questioned whether madfloridian was ever a teacher, or tombstoned post-ers who spent tons of energy attacking redqueen and seabeyond, or the people who went extremely negative posting against sabrina, who was always unfailingly kind.

Feel free to fight with yourself. I'll watch out for your posts in the future. If I don't seem to be replying, it's not that I'm "Ignoring" you, I'm just ignoring you.

[snooper2]

45. sure, I guess LOL

[yurbud]

47. I meant the Bushies might not see him as a reliable servant to settle a score.

And using the same person twice might make the dots so obvious to connect that the press can't ignore it.

[Mc Mike]

48. He's a lot older, as well. He's recognizable, too.

And he hasn't been able to get much practice in at a shooting range, lately. He's more threatening as an idea than as an individual.

But it was odd how much ignoring most of the press did, the first time around. It definitely seemed to surprise Al Haig, anyway.

[yurbud]

49. Haig got so excited, he forgot the line of succession and wanted to be president

[Mc Mike]

50. He had fought a nasty turf war with Poppy about who would control the

anti-drug and anti-terrorism task forces. Poppy won, and did a bang up job of interdicting drug flow, and 'was out of the loop' when all the discussions occurred about selling weapons to terrorist-backing Iranian hard liners and using the proceeds to illegally arm Central American death squad terrorists. Haig lost, and was pissed off that he didn't have as much power, and his opponent got more.

Not saying that Haig would have been better in style or even degree if he had run those task forces, though. He just represents a different group of people than bush does.

[yallerdawg]

10. Jeezus H Kryst.

The man was determined to be insane at the time of his actions ("Obviously!" to quote Apocalypse Now).

I know many of us have an inclination to attribute killing or attempting to kill our fellow human beings as a sane, rational act.

Shouldn't we be questioning the sanity of anyone who does this?

After decades of medical and psychological/psychiatric treatment it is determined Hinckley understands it is wrong to kill others.

Why would we want to keep this person locked away?

[forest444]

11. Why? Because politics.

And not just from a Rapepublican point of view - as a Democrat I can't see this as good news at all.

The last thing we need in a close election, is to have Hinckley's release whip up mass hysteria and nostalgia for Ronald McDonald just before people go to the polls.

Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't release him the weekend before election day.

[yallerdawg]

13. You're advocating...

keeping him locked up as a 'political' prisoner?

[forest444]

14. Yes; but only temporarily.

Until just after the elections. Home for the holidays and all that.

[yallerdawg]

17. There just aren't that many...

'bleeding-heart liberals' left, are there?

[forest444]

19. Ah, politics.

The art of the possible.

[Mc Mike]

16. Well, he's guilty. They're keeping Peltier locked up,

he's innocent, and he's been locked up for years longer than Hinckley.

[yallerdawg]

21. Peltier?

Not at all the same. Not even remotely.

[Mc Mike]

25. "Political Prisoner".

[CountAllVotes]

34. No American Indian

n/t !!

[Paladin]

12. Well, there you have it:

The walking, talking advantages of being: 1.) white; and 2.) the scion of a wealthy oil & gas family.

I hope to hell the Secret Service has this jerk under some sort of reliable 24/7/365 surveillance for the rest of his miserable life.

[still_one]

28. James Brady's life was adversely changed forever. Ronald Reagan was shot, and should Jody Foster

be concerned?

[patricia92243]

29. He is going to live with his 90 year old mother? They expect an old lady to be able to look

after him? I wonder how she feels about this horrid situation.

If they have to let him loose on the public , the least they could do is not foist him off on this poor woman. Surely there is some place he could live that would be better for everybody concerned.

Terrible!

[OnDoutside]

30. Trump just called him David Hinckley ....

[helpisontheway]

32. Great now I have to worry about this lunatic walking around town. Nt

[maxsolomon]

33. The quality of mercy is not strained.

It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings.
But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings;
It is an attribute of God himself;
And earthly power doth then show like God's
When mercy seasons justice.

[jmowreader]

37. They were already releasing him on a regular basis

[cannabis_flower]

46. Interesting comments following the story

EYELEAN DOVER 4 TRUMP 20 hours ago
A statement released by counsel for Vanderbilt Energy Corp. said the elder Hinckley had "temporarily relinquished his duties" as chairman of the Denver-based firm "because of a tragedy involving a member of his family."

John Hinckley Jr., 25, who was arrested seconds after Reagan was shot in Washington, was being held at a Marine base in Quantico, Va.

The corporate statement did not mention any change for Scott B. Hinckley, vice president of operations for Vanderbilt and brother of John Jr who had dined at Neil Bush’s home.

The father's move came amid confirmation that the Department of Energy was reviewing Vanderbilt's books. Jack Vandenberg, a DOE spokesman in Washington, said auditors met with Scott Hinckley in Denver on Monday.

The Washington Star quoted an unnamed "White House official" as confirming that DOE auditors asked for an explanation of an overcharge when oil price controls were in effect between 1973 and 1981. The Star said DOE auditors told Scott Hinckley there was a possible penalty of $2 million for the overcharge.

EYELEAN DOVER 4 TRUMP 20 hours ago
@Jambolana @CopontheBeat f

The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of President George H.W. Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported.

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.

The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.

BLUJAYLAX 4 hours ago
@GetWithItAmerica He was found not guilty of shooting Reagan and Brady. Now, yes, should mental patients be back on the streets? No. But a law keeping them off the street and helping them that was signed by Carter was repealed under Reagan and Reagan signed it. So why not let the person who shot Reagan back on the street since Reagan didn't care about mental health patients.



And from what I'm reading the judge is a federal judge, so you won't have to worry about him being elected, he never was elected (And worse, if you have the right judge, he was appointed by..... Reagan.)

THE_MICK July 27, 2016 10:10AM
"He cannot travel to areas where current or former presidents, Congress or senior executives or "United States Secret Service protectees" are found."

"He must travel to D.C. once a month for mental health treatment."

The second condition is ridiculous not only since it violates the first condition, but because his home in Williamsburg, in SE Virginia is a few hours away from the 24-hour-traffic-congested Virginia suburbs of D.C. and he has to travel near Virginia's Capitol of Richmond with its "senior executives" on I-95 to get there. Aren't there places in Southern VA or Northern NC he can go to, at least most of the time?

MCLNNOVA July 27, 2016 9 AM
Carter signed the Mental Health Systems Act into law in 1980. Reagan was shot in March, 1981 by a man suffering severe schizophrenia. In August of 1981, Reagan repealed the Mental Health Systems Act. Even though he nearly fell victim to the second hand ravages of mental illness himself, Reagan effectively threw Americans suffering mental health crises onto the streets thereby ballooning one of the major causes of homelessness in this country. There's your St. Ronnie. Certainly no president deserves attempted assassination, but there is no such attempt in history that practically drips with more cosmic irony. Reagan has the reputation of being a fatherly 'nice man' to Republicans who've all but canonized him, but his treatment of this country's mentally ill just a few short months after being shot by a tragically schizophrenic young man shows just how twisted and damaging conservative ideas of "law and order" can be when executed in the real world.

[Lil Missy]

51. It's about time.