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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:24 AM Sep 2016

Giuliani on Whether U.S. Can Take Iraqi Oil: ‘Until the War Is Over, Anything’s Legal’

Source: Mediaite

by Josh Feldman | 9:37 am, September 11th, 2016

Rudy Giuliani seems to have an “anything goes” approach to whether the U.S. should “take” Iraqi oil, like Donald Trump has been saying over and over during the campaign.

On ABC’s This Week this morning, George Stephanopoulos asked Giuliani, “That’s not legal, is it?”

Giuliani said with a laugh, “Of course it’s legal! It’s a war! Until the war is over, anything’s legal.”

He argued that what Trump really meant was that the U.S. should oversee distribution of the oil (yeah, um, no), and that’s something we should have done a long time ago.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/giuliani-on-whether-u-s-can-take-iraqi-oil-until-the-war-is-over-anythings-legal/



Video of interview @ link, above.
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Giuliani on Whether U.S. Can Take Iraqi Oil: ‘Until the War Is Over, Anything’s Legal’ (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2016 OP
What a vile POS. He makes my skin crawl as much as Don the Con. catbyte Sep 2016 #1
Giuliani gets more vile by the day. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #2
I guess we can rape the locals as well - at least 'until the war is over'. Stonepounder Sep 2016 #3
The mind Perseus Sep 2016 #4
....and another failure by the "news media" to point out that the theft Chakab Sep 2016 #5
On Morning Joe the other day, Mike Barnicle said about Giuliani: PearliePoo2 Sep 2016 #6
That was classic Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #8
Donny started that rift Mike Daniels Sep 2016 #12
How Nixonian of him... Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #7
Breathtakingly so. lastlib Sep 2016 #15
Pillaging and torture are not illegal if you're President Trump William Seger Sep 2016 #16
Yup. "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon PSPS Sep 2016 #18
That is the true sign of idiot thinking duncang Sep 2016 #9
Treaties and international law CanonRay Sep 2016 #10
Fucking unbelievable. Paladin Sep 2016 #11
"practically impossible, legally prohibited, and politically imbecilic" William Seger Sep 2016 #13
I think the key point amid all those quotes is the one that starts: "Insofar as... Moonwalk Sep 2016 #20
this guy will have a prominent place in a Trump administration rurallib Sep 2016 #14
That's called looting? like when WW2 was finally over & russia took all the nazis looted from Jews Sunlei Sep 2016 #17
Oh yes, because Giuliani is such an expert on military matters... neeksgeek Sep 2016 #19
wonder how the repugs would feel about making iraq the 51st state. gfwzig Sep 2016 #21
Can he be disbarred BlueInPhilly Sep 2016 #22
Shorter version::::::: War Crimes keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #23
Show me where we actually declared war. Doesn't that take an act of Congress? truthisfreedom Sep 2016 #24
Rudy should've been the lead defense attorney at Nuremberg Rocknrule Sep 2016 #25
So let's keep the "war" going, Rudy! Beartracks Sep 2016 #26
The war IS over. Dubya said so. raging moderate Sep 2016 #27
Dude needs a brain scan EricMaundry Sep 2016 #28
I guess the Geneva Convention wasn't taught at his law school yurbud Sep 2016 #29

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
3. I guess we can rape the locals as well - at least 'until the war is over'.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:29 AM
Sep 2016

And steal anything they have that we want.
Hell, just shoot all the locals. (Kill them all and let God sort it out.)

I am literally sick to my stomach with what Trump and his cohorts are preaching.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
4. The mind
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:31 AM
Sep 2016

What a criminal sees as a means to an end, a normal person sees it as a horrendous action, the criminal mind does work different.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
5. ....and another failure by the "news media" to point out that the theft
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:38 AM
Sep 2016

of another country's natural resources is a violation of the Geneva Conventions and that these Trump campaign barbarians are advocating that the US perpetrate a slew of war crimes as its "Middle East policy."

The willingness of the mainstream media to play the false equivalency game even with this reprehensible campaign that Trump has been running shows how truly worthless it is.

The ironic part is that by pandering to the Right in response all of these incessant attacks regarding purports liberal bias, the media became just as dishonest and untrustworthy as the right has been claiming for decades.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
6. On Morning Joe the other day, Mike Barnicle said about Giuliani:
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Sep 2016

"He's gone over the edge and lost it so bad, he should be wearing a large name tag that says, My Name Is RUDY. I live in #3-A at the home."

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
12. Donny started that rift
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Sep 2016

By talking about how the very nice facility his mother is at in Florida has space available if Rudy was interested.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
16. Pillaging and torture are not illegal if you're President Trump
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:37 AM
Sep 2016

... and it's much too hard to sue journalists for saying bad things about President Trump.

I think we need a complete list of laws Trump thinks are obsolete.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
9. That is the true sign of idiot thinking
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:03 AM
Sep 2016

Let's all start a war. And while it's still going on send in more people to repair and run oil production as fast as we can. It doesn't work that way. Not quite as clean. My oldest brother was over in Iraq after the war rebuilding as a engineer. He was barely able to get out of the encampment, wore a bullet proof vest all day, had to send locals out to take pictures and bring them back for him to look at. Clueless. clueless, clueless. etc. BTW rudy did I tell you? You have no clue.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
10. Treaties and international law
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:11 AM
Sep 2016

mean nothing to these people, especially if it gets in the way of what they want.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
11. Fucking unbelievable.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:12 AM
Sep 2016

Giuliani is a lawyer, of sorts. There is no excuse for his making excuses for international piracy of other countries' natural resources.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
13. "practically impossible, legally prohibited, and politically imbecilic"
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Sep 2016

Politifact:

"I wish I could tell you all the ways it would be illegal and not kosher," said Steven R. Ratner, a University of Michigan law professor.

Trump’s idea is "so out of step with any plausible interpretation of U.S. history or international law that they should be dismissed out of hand by anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of world affairs," said Lance Janda, a military historian at Cameron University.

"Insofar as Mr. Trump's proposals are coherent enough to be subject to analysis and judgment, they appear to be practically impossible, legally prohibited, and politically imbecilic," said Barnett Rubin, associate director of New York University’s Center on International Cooperation.

So, that’s a start. But how about some details?

Would it be legal?

No, it would not be legal.

"What Trump seems to be advocating here would be a fundamental violation of international law embodied in numerous international agreements and in recognized principles of customary international law," said Anthony Clark Arend, a Georgetown University professor of government and foreign service.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/09/should-US-have-kept-Iraq-oil/

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
20. I think the key point amid all those quotes is the one that starts: "Insofar as...
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:54 PM
Sep 2016

...Mr. Trump's proposals are coherent...."

Barnett Rubin there has the right of it. The man disqualifies himself even before his proposals can be analyzed because they're barely coherent enough for analysis!

rurallib

(62,460 posts)
14. this guy will have a prominent place in a Trump administration
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:35 AM
Sep 2016

if that doesn't scare you nothing will

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. That's called looting? like when WW2 was finally over & russia took all the nazis looted from Jews
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:01 PM
Sep 2016

Took it all, much stockpiles of Art, statues, even entire factories back home to Russia

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
19. Oh yes, because Giuliani is such an expert on military matters...
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:58 PM
Sep 2016

"After receiving several deferments as a student, Giuliani applied for an occupational deferment as a law clerk, but his application was rejected. Giuliani appealed their decision, and asked the federal judge he was clerking for to petition the draft board for him. Which the judge did. When his deferment expired in 1970, Giuliani became susceptible to the draft. He received a high number and was never called."

More at [link:http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/30661/|

gfwzig

(139 posts)
21. wonder how the repugs would feel about making iraq the 51st state.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 03:15 PM
Sep 2016

we would get the oil, we would inherit all it's citizens, we would get military bases on "our" soil in the mideast, none of the terrorists would be foreign so they would all get passports-- i guess they would not need them anyway since they are citizens, we would get 2 more religious zealots as senators and about 3 more in the house, Ted cruz would no longer be the nutsiest member of congress. Mexican immigrants would not seem as much a problem, we could ignore saudia arabia because we would not need their oil, we would be a member of OPEC, Texas would no longer be the biggest thorn in our side, the religious caucus would have to include muslems or risk not being the most radical faction in congress, barack obama would not be the only politician with a muslem sounding name.

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