Trump refused to pay winner of a 2010 golf contest his $1M prize

[molova]

Source: NY Daily News

It was a million dollar shot until it wasn’t.

Donald Trump once refused to pay a winner of a hole-in-one contest $1 million during a 2010 golf tournament, prompting the competition’s angry winner to sue the mogul, recently unearthed documents from the lawsuit show.

And when the GOP nominee finally settled the suit for $158,000, he did so with money from his charitable foundation, which is illegal.

The claims add to mounting allegations surrounding Trump’s ethics as a businessman as well as the legal and ethical questions surrounding his charity, the Donald J. Trump Foundation.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-258k-charity-settle-suits-businesses-article-1.2799475

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Trump needs to be the subject of several criminal investigations over the use of charity money.

[Coolest Ranger]

1. So let's see

he's a fraud, a potential rapist, a potential traitor, and a racist. This is their nominee? I need a drink now

[PJMcK]

5. Don't forget he's a skinflint

And a cheat.

Donald Trump is an idiot.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

69. Actually, Republicans are idiots for nominating him

That.is.all

[GeoWilliam750]

73. Yet he is the best of the lot

Why is this even a contest?

[sarae]

77. Maybe we should try to name reprehensible things

he hasn't done. The list would be much, much shorter.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. Cheers.

I suspect we will do a lot of that for these six weeks.

[left-of-center2012]

25. But he loves his daughter

ick!

[PSPS]

33. I think what he really said is that he loves 'kissing' his daughter.

[Coolest Ranger]

57. :) Trying to eat dinner here

you two aren't helping LOL

[Ken Burch]

66. I'm SO trying to erase that thought from my mind

[yuiyoshida]

55. He's a flim flam man

Con artist.

[Crash2Parties]

88. Hey for Republicans, that's looking pretty darn good!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

2. Oh for fuck's sake! How many of these fucking stories need to come out before

this fucking asshole is dragged into criminal court/ No not the prize money thing, which is awful. But the fucking misusing 'charity' funds.

[shraby]

4. What you said! Wish I could rec. a response to a post.

[INdemo]

9. I think the more illegal,criminal violations that come out

against this Fascist the more his supporters like him.."He is one of us" they say.
That may very well be true of those that are willing to walk the tight rope for this guy.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. His supporters are beyond reason or any redeeming qualities. Possibly to fucking stupid to

put one foot in front of the other while talking. But I'm thinking more of the "Duh, they both suck and he's horrible. But I'm still going with the 'orange fascist talking scrotum' because he's "new", shiny and makes me laugh, herp derp." types. You know, the "please come to my house and tell me in person why I should vote for you and might make up my mind by 11/07." type people. Dumb but not as dumb and not quite evil. I think they go by the term 'undecideds.

[groundloop]

20. "HIS supporters" don't matter, it's the undecided voters who need to see this

The died in the wool, set in stone tRump supporters will never change their mind. They only make up what, about 30 to maybe 40 percent of the electorate. It's all the other voters who need to be convinced.

There are many out there who think the country needs to change it's direction (obviously they can't remember what kind of shape the economy was in 8 years ago !!!) and who have started believing all the lies about Hillary - these are the voters who need to see what the GOPer candidate is all about. If given enough of this information a large portion of these voters will make up their minds that Hillary is the better choice.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

22. Soooo, you just pretty much said what I said above. nt

[Moostache]

35. If they are truly as high as 40% of the electorate, stop the world, I need to get off!

I know the type - the loudly racist asshat voters who are overcome with joy that an actual candidate is saying out loud and on the stump things that are usually only said at the lodge behind closed doors without any of those brown people or women or queers around...

But if we truly have that many amongst us? Burn it down and start over, we just need a way to partition the land to ensure that there is a contiguous land passage across the plains and Rockies to connect the coasts. Otherwise, redraw the maps alright, but this time I don't mean the districts, I mean the states themselves. Give it 15 years, and the New Confederate States of America compared to the United States of America will look like Haiti does when compared to the Dominican Republic:

[Nay]

58. This is what I see happening. Trump voters are irredeemable, generally. Let's

have a peaceful Civil War II, and partition off these motherfuckers. I'm fuckin' done.

[maxrandb]

27. O.F.F.S! When..OH When

Is our "liberal" media going to devote 1/100th of the time and resources they poured into a bogus fucking email scandal into looking into just ONE of these criminal acts of fraud????

[lewebley3]

31. Yes, Is it now time to call Trump a criminal element? He seem to steal from everyone!

[LynneSin]

39. This is what happens when one develops a deep vile hatred for one candidate

And the media has spent decades making Hillary easy to hate.

[olddad56]

41. the thing is that they don't come out...

they come out on this forum, on MSNBC, in selected news publications, but they never come out on the sources that the Trump lemmings get their propaganda from.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

42. That's a very good observation. No argument from me. nt

[Monk06]

70. Trump is a classic mafia skim and torch artist He should have been behind bars for bankrupsty fraud

years ago

or buried in a sand dune on the Jersey Shore

[world wide wally]

3. EVERY fucking thing this asshole does is D E P L O R A B L E !

How the hell can anyone want him to be President of the United States?

[renate]

67. you are not exaggerating

Every single thing.

Hyperbole fails me when it comes to Trump.

[ColemanMaskell]

6. Thanks for sharing that article

[progressoid]

7. Spread this far and wide.

[turbinetree]

10. So the Nixon legacy is still alive and well in this facist deadbeat creatin

called herr drumpfster and his "SLUSH FUND CHARITY FOUNDATION" is still alive and well.

What does he have to say about this during the 'debate" and will he be asked to show his "Tax Returns " letter stating that he is under audit, and if he tries to punt the situation into the corner of Clinton, she needs to ask the question(s) of this and other malfeasance and breaking of charity laws, this jerk has been doing for years.




We the public are demanding this information from these so called moderators, including Chris Wallace, since he has already said that he will not "Fact Check" this, since this not in his 20 million dollar a year job description--------------his job description is to be a bump on log, and continue the propaganda, and spitting on television

[ToxMarz]

11. Couldn't he be close to an investigation for mail fraud and

wire fraud. Those seem to be the go to charges when you're moving money around inappropriately.

[dawnie51]

12. There's hundreds of these stories....

but early on Trump had his shyster lawyers lay NDAs all over anyone he came in contact with, so no one talks. No one EVER talks. Trump would rather pay lawyers than the folks he screws, and it has worked so well for him for so long, he has no reason to change any behaviors. ALL of them, Trump and his nasty lawyers, should be dragged into court. This is ..yes, deplorable.

[jcgoldie]

24. And the real irony of course

Is that his supporters chant that HRC is the one who should be locked up for a manufactured email scandal which none of them can really explain how it broke the law but somehow stays in the news for months into years while his laundry list of graft and fraud simply washes away from day to day.

[C_U_L8R]

13. Trump's a cowardly cheat and a welcher

I wonder what his credit score is??

on edit: scouring around.. Trump University did receive a D-minus from the Better Business Bureau.

[lewebley3]

36. Trump is a criminal he is always stealing labor and commenting fraud!

[jmowreader]

51. He commits fraud too

Somehow I doubt commenting on fraud is illegal, but commenting when you are a fraud, like Mafia Don does on a regular basis, sure should be.

[allan01]

14. what a friggin goldbrick cheapskate .

[HAB911]

15. The hits just keep on coming

now if only we could get an indictment..............

[cstanleytech]

17. Makes me wonder if someone was protecting him for all these years from all this stuff

and I dont mean his lawyers I mean someone in political office.

[mgardener]

44. Don't you mean who?

Many, many, so many people, you would not believe, are saying Rudy G.

[Angry Dragon]

18. There are not enough bad words to describe Donald J. Trump

[eShirl]

19. cheapskate

[lewebley3]

38. We need to know who he is going business with: Trump like work with criminals!

[maxsolomon]

21. <150 yds, no payout

gotta read the fine print when you're dealing with the Trump Organization.

[fob]

34. Not exactly, the "rule" per the article says,

"But the rules also stipulated that Greenberg’s shot had to travel at least 150 yards, a distance that Trump’s golf club, allegedly, made the hole short of, on purpose."

The bold is mine. It says the shot had to TRAVEL at least 150 yards, which Chumpco attempted to short circuit by moving hole closer to tee box so it was less than 150 yards away. But the SHOT didn't roll straight on the ground, it took a parabola to get there, most assuredly some tens of feet or more ABOVE the ground then had to return to the ground. so it does not say how much Chump "shorted" the pin, but it'd have to be quite the distance to keep the TRAVEL distance of the shot <150 yards. Plus whatever distance Greenberg set up BEHIND tee off line.

Guy settled for too little!

Case closed, me and Lenny Briscoe have no further use for Donplorable Chump!

[maxsolomon]

40. i want you on my legal team!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

52. Not to defend Trump but I wonder what incentive he would have to rig the settings to avoid a win.

At first I figured the chiseler neglected to buy a policy. Apparently he had a policy in place so it would really be on the insurance company to pay out.

Unless it was "Insurance By Ivanka!" or some other swindle.

I used to work in finance for a car dealer. We had Various give aways - raffles, basketballs etc. I don't remember what the premium was for a $25k car.

Trump actually reminds me of the dealer I worked for. Everything was a con. Contracts meant nothing. Always trying to chisel.

[ck4829]

59. I can think of a reason

Trump doesn't have the cash for that.

[SCantiGOP]

85. read the above post again

Hole in one offers are always covered by insurance. You pay a premium (generally around $3-600) that pays for the cost of the car if someone wins. So the course really has no loss if someone does win.
Of course, they might have gone without insurance, in which case they would have a big incentive to avoid paying.

[SCantiGOP]

84. re the 150 yard rule

It is pretty clear in the rules of golf that when you talk about the "distance" to a hole it refers to a straight line from tee to hole along the ground. Otherwise, home runs, touchdown passes or runs, etc would, like a golf shot, be impossible to measure.

While what the course did may have been dishonest if they shortened the hole, the guy really didn't have much of a case in my opinion.

[fob]

87. I searched and found this that relates to hole measurement...

From the USGA Handicap Manual:

12-2. Measuring

a. How To Measure

Each hole must be measured horizontally (air line) by an electronic measuring device (EMD), surveying instruments, or a global positioning system (GPS) from the permanent yardage marker for every teeing area on the golf course to the center of the green. Any trained individual may perform course measurement, subject to review by the authorized golf association that issues the USGA Course Rating to the golf club. Yardages on the scorecard should accurately reflect this measurement. Accurate hole measurements to the nearest yard are very important.

A hole with a dogleg must be measured on a straight line from the tee to the center of the fairway at the bend. If the pivot point is not easily discernible, select a pivot point that is approximately 250 (men) or 210 (women) yards from the set of tees played by the majority of golfers. The measurement must continue from that point on a straight line to the center of the green or to the next pivot point if applicable.

So per this the listed distance for a hole is to the center of the green and not necessarily to the hole(although if the hole is placed at center of green this could be true). It also means that a hole with a dogleg could be rated at 400 yds, but if you can crank the ball straight at the pin, it may only need to travel 250 yds or some lesser measurement and demonstrates clearly that "distance" does NOT mean a straight line from tee to hole along the ground.

However, even with all of the above, the GOLF rules aren't the issue, it's the CONTEST rules and per the article the contest rules use the language, "the shot must travel..." it doesn't say the hole must be rated at 150 yards or more, or that the tee-to-pin distance must be >150 yds. The qualifier is the distance the shot(ball) travels, and even if they did move the hole so it was only 145 yds from tee, the ball would travel well over 150 yds unless it was a line drive a few feet off the ground.

Replying to put forth that Donplorable "wins" because he bullies people with bullshit rules tricks and lawsuits and hopefully someone pushes back harder on his next ruse.

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. Of course, the grounds crew set the hole at 145

It's a bad carnie act.

Yes, it was purely their fault: how could they have known of the hole-in-one insurance criterion? Head of the grounds crew was Meredith McIver.



What a con artist.

[TeamPooka]

23. Money only goes "one-way" with this asshole, into his pocket. Never expect payment from a Trump or

you'll be the chump.

[left-of-center2012]

26. Nothin affects Trump

Hey! Maybe he is the Anti-Christ?

[Charles Bukowski]

28. The IRS has to get involved...immediately.

This is ridiculous.

[Old and In the Way]

29. So, what is stopping the GOP from booting Trump and installing Pence?

Surely, their brand is going to get flushed if they allow this guy to represent their Party, no? Or is he actually the quintessential GOP candidate that re#let's their,deal values going forward in the 21st century? If this is who They support, they really should update their name from the GOP to the Organized Crime Party.

[NewJeffCT]

83. Didn't Trump tell Kasich that he'd be head of both domestic and foreign policy?

Leaving Trump to do what - golf and negotiate with foreign leaders to have Trump resorts in their lands? ("Sure, you can have the Ukraine, if you let me open open a Trump Casino and Resort on the Black Sea...&quot

I would suspect that Pence probably got the same deal.

[Hav]

30. Unbelievable

So many stories about payments from his "charity" that say that these kind of things are illegal. So what are the consequences?

[rurallib]

32. My recollection is that prizes like that are usually covered by an insurance policy

The sponsor buys a policy for @ $10,000 that will cover the payout if someone hits it. Such an incident is very unlikely. But the sponsor is out the $10,000 for sure.

Is Trump so fucking cheap he wouldn't even buy such a policy to cover his ass, figuring he had it covered by cheating the guy?
Man what a fraud!

[Historic NY]

43. I would have asked for the painting, and burned it...

in front of that putz.

[tavernier]

45. OMG! It's all over the news right now!!!

No it's not.

[sgmcenroe]

46. skinflint Trump

You know, this is why most tournaments with prizes like this go to Lloyds of London or some similar insurance company to cover the possible hole in one - but the Donald would be too cheap to do that.

[riversedge]

47. K and R.

[DRoseDARs]

48. Is there even a SINGLE example of Trump NOT being a complete schmuck?

Like, at all? Ever?

[TonyPDX]

49. Is it possible for Trump to be investigated for ANY crime?

[jmowreader]

50. Hasn't this idiot ever heard of golf tournament insurance?

There is a whole industry built up around this shit, and it is simple and easy to understand: You are going to hold a charity golf tournament on Trump's "Blue Monster" course. To get people to come to the tournament, you offer a $1 million prize to the first person who hits a hole-in-one on the hardest par-4 hole on the course. (FWIW, there's been exactly one ace on a par-4 hole in the history of the PGA Tour, so if pros can't do it you probably can't either.) Because you probably don't have a million dollars to give to someone for hitting a ball well, you contract with one of these insurance companies and pay them...oh, maybe $500...for a hole in one insurance policy. If someone manages to do it, the insurance company pays off. (The same kinds of policies are written for other sports' contests.)

Being that Trump is actually in the golf industry, why the hell didn't he know these things existed?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

56. The article says there was an insurance company involved.

Like you, I assumed the chiseler just neglected to buy a policy.

It appears Trump fucked up. Rather than stand behind the prize he offered, he went in to his usual chisel mode.

Trump offered the prize. So the contract was between him and the winner. It's not the winner's fault Trump neglected to follow the contract he had with the insurance company.

Unless there was some fine print requiring approval by XYZ insurance company. Wouldn't surprise me.

Either way, Trump had the choice to eat his own fuck up or chisel.

[DinahMoeHum]

53. Fuckin' welcher.

[TonyPDX]

54. The man is a total thief.

[Botany]

60. one more group to the list of anti trump voters

Golfers

[Divine Discontent]

61. Hillary just needs to read off TEN of his most sleazy screwings of people and say the man is the

type of person you want FAR away from anything you're involved with - let alone the President of the United States....

He should be embarrassed to show up! Of course, he's a wackadoo, so he believes he's AWESOME!

[niyad]

62. is there ANYTHING??? ONE SINGLE THING???? that der drumpfenfuhrer has done correctly,

honestly, ethically, intelligently, his entire life??? just one????

[Botany]

74. In a word, no.

He made up civil war history about his golf course in VA.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/politics/in-renovation-of-golf-club-donald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html

[niyad]

75. he gets more disgusting, despicable and deplorable by the second.

[Botany]

76. Just because he wants to fuck his daughter, is a con man, screws people out the money he owes...

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.... them, marked African American applications for apartments w/a "C" for colored, had to
go to reform school, lied about his 3rd wife's college degree, looks at neo nazi web sites,
looks at white power web sites, pushed racist birther crap, uses charity money as a "slush
fund," paid ther largest fine in the history of the justice dept. over a civil right's charge,
thin skinned, ego driven, and .........


And yes he can get more disgusting. Give him 10 minutes.

[SticksnStones]

63. Imagine for just a moment that ANY democrat had a similar history

Republicans would be outraged and vocal and it would be end of campaign period.

Hell, they got Howard Dean for saying the names of a bunch of states too loud once.

Why does the other side set the bar so low?

That's rhetorical, no need to school me ~

[PatrickforO]

64. Well, we knew he was a shyster.

And so he is.

[spiderpig]

65. The only thing genuine about that creep is his 100% sliminess.

If he were on the Titanic, he'd be on a lifeboat dressed as a woman.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. His supporters would admire this as part of his being a shrewd businessman.

[kyburbonkid]

72. Oh no they wouldn't. The last thing you want to mess with is a golfer.

[SunSeeker]

71. K & R for exposure.

[Blue Owl]

78. Trump is landing short of the green

Way short!

[dem in texas]

79. The Hole in One Contest Was Rigged like a carnival game

It was like the games on the Midway at the State Fair where you throw at things, but never hit them because they are purposely off kilter or tilting so they can't be knocked over.

The ball was supposed to be hit from a certain number of feet away, but the fairway was too short to meet the number of feet requirement so the insurance company would not pay, therefore Trump wouldn't pay the man who hit the hole in one. It was a total scam and I'm sure Trump knew it. The winning golfer settled the suit for about $158,000.

[MynameisBlarney]

80. For fucks sake

Trump is so crooked, even mafia bosses are like, "Dude? WTF?".

[lonestarnot]

81. Why is roadkill still roaming the streets?

[Nitram]

82. Why isn't this guy in jail?

Must have friends in high places...

[Initech]

86. So Hillary Clinton gets shit for *allegedly* laundering money through the Clinton Foundation...

While Donald Trump can't stop using the Trump Foundation as his personal piggy bank, and the deplorables look the other way. Right. Oh and by the way - double, triple emphasis on the word "alleged".