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Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:55 PM Sep 2016

The Latest: Chief: At least 1 body camera video of shooting

Source: Associated Press

The Latest: Chief: At least 1 body camera video of shooting
Sep 23, 11:45 AM EDT

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- The Latest on unrest in Charlotte following the shooting of a black man by police (all times local):



11:35 a.m.

Charlotte's police chief says there is at least one video from a body camera and one other video from a dashboard camera that captured the deadly shooting of a black man by an officer.

But Chief Kerr Putney continued Friday to refuse to release the video, which could resolve wildly different accounts of the shooting of 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott.

Police have said Scott refused repeated commands to drop a gun; residents say he was unarmed. An attorney for his family, who viewed the video Thursday, says it's not clear from the video if he's holding anything, including a gun.

Putney said during a news conference Friday that he cannot release more information about the shooting because his department is not leading the investigation, which is being conducted by the State Bureau of Investigation.




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The Latest: Chief: At least 1 body camera video of shooting (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2016 OP
seems pretty obvious--if the video exonerated his people, he would release. since he niyad Sep 2016 #1
I think the city attorney is advising the chief. After the SBI is done, odds are it will be released tonyt53 Sep 2016 #2
Or maybe... BronxBoy Sep 2016 #9
Or they're just waiting until October 1st, when it becomes legal to suppress the video hatrack Sep 2016 #11
His wife had a recording on her phone and MSNBC has been playing it BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #3
Lack of transparency is part of the problem here JCMach1 Sep 2016 #4
But here's the thing... malthaussen Sep 2016 #5
I agree with your comment. nt Delmette Sep 2016 #6
Except he was black... freebrew Sep 2016 #7
Prosecute and convict. malthaussen Sep 2016 #8
I agree... freebrew Sep 2016 #10
That's not really how it works. branford Sep 2016 #12

niyad

(113,278 posts)
1. seems pretty obvious--if the video exonerated his people, he would release. since he
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:06 PM
Sep 2016

isn't releasing, the videos do not exonerate.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. I think the city attorney is advising the chief. After the SBI is done, odds are it will be released
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:10 PM
Sep 2016

But, from my viewpoint anyway, if the family attorney isn't willing to come right out and say that he was not holding anything, that there might be a problem with the narrative of some of the family members and their claims about a book. There were other witnesses. The family attorney doesn't get access to their words until the investigation is complete and the findings are released. Tulsa was clear murder. This one is still up in the air. But odds are that the video will be released after the investigation is complete and the final report is released.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
9. Or maybe...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:30 PM
Sep 2016

Just maybe, the family attorney is keeping his mouth shut and advising his clients to do the same until an investigation is completed. "Book Deal"? Really?🙄

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
5. But here's the thing...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:41 PM
Sep 2016

... if it is so unclear if he was or wasn't, then there is no way to argue he posed a "clear and present danger." Is it reasonable that a citizen should be killed because he poses a potential danger?

-- Mal

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
7. Except he was black...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:51 PM
Sep 2016

law enforcement seems to have judgemental attitude toward POC.

Many things involved in making the police what they've become.
Low IQ standards(limits), ex-military preferred, Arian groups infiltrating because they 'seem' the type, etc.

It seems that the best prospects for good cops wouldn't want the job.
So, what do you do? (a strange serious question from freebrew)

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
8. Prosecute and convict.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:24 PM
Sep 2016

Other than that, I got nuthin'. Reassembling our whole society from top to bottom would be a start, but that's pretty complex.

The laws do exist. We need to start prosecuting the criminals. But juries will bend over backwards to excuse police behavior, and judges have a vested interest in supporting them. A lot of heads need to roll.

-- Mal

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
10. I agree...
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 10:04 AM
Sep 2016

it seems that when I was young...the people
were led to believe(and it could have been true) that police officers
were supposed to be prosecuted harsher than the general public.

Now, it seems they get a pass for near everything.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
12. That's not really how it works.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:18 AM
Sep 2016

In order for a shooting to be justified, the police officer has to reasonably believe at the time of the shooting in the risk to himself and others. A gun need not exist at all, only a reasonable belief in danger, and any ambiguities will be resolved in favor of the officers, particularly when the deceased is later found to have an violent felony record.

If experts, after considered review of multiple videos, witness statements and other evidence, are in disagreement or uncertain about the existence of a gun, the officers at the time under far less ideal conditions would be assumed to also at least be unsure, and thus their fear would be considered reasonable (assuming other factors also indicated danger).

If it is determined conclusively that the deceased had a firearm (e.g., residue on hand or clothes, fingerprints on bullets in magazine, etc.), the presumption in favor of the accused officers will become even stronger as Scott could not legally possess a firearm due to his felony conviction.

While this story is undoubtedly tragic, prior to a more thorough and completed investigation, it's probably not the best example of an unjustified police shooting.

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