Investigators may probe Washington mall suspect's citizenship status, voting record

[Calista241]

Source: King 5 - local Washington news

BURLINGTON, Wash. - The Washington mall shooting suspect, Arcan Cetin, may face an additional investigation related to his voting record and citizenship status.

Federal sources confirm to KING 5 that Cetin was not a U.S. citizen, meaning legally he cannot vote. However, state records show Cetin registered to vote in 2014 and participated in three election cycles, including the May presidential primary.

Cetin, who immigrated to the United States from Turkey as a child, is considered a permanent resident or green card holder. While a permanent resident can apply for U.S. citizenship after a certain period of time, sources tell KING his status had not changed from green card holder to U.S. citizen.

Read more: http://www.king5.com/news/local/investigators-may-probe-cascade-mall-suspects-citizenship-status-voting-record/327490798

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Not sure what to think about this.

[unc70]

1. Expect the RW to jump all over it

This could make him a poster boy for immigrants who murder and for non-citizens who are voting.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Different state, but the principle applies:

[blm]

8. Stepdad is rabid NRA Republican for Trump and the guy's role model for 3/4 of his life.

Yeah…..LET'S GO THERE.

[Democat]

3. He was insulting Clinton on Twitter

I doubt the GOP will release any investigation if it shows this guy is a big Trump voter.

[yeoman6987]

4. If he voted in 3 elections, add the charges to the already long list

Done. Now that's all that should happen. Actually it looks like the system works. They found out a guy illegally voted and is appropriately charging him. No further action needed.

[Mamajami]

17. Did he vote R or D?

[yeoman6987]

18. I think that's impossible to know

[DorothyG]

5. Why would it have not been noticed until now?

Does an election cycle mean 2 years or 4 years?

[Igel]

16. Because when you like a conclusion you don't question the assumptions.

Studies looking at voter registration fraud compare things like registration records against DMV records.

If you have a driver's license, you must be a citizen.

Very few people register to vote without a driver's license. So the check, naturally, results in nearly no cases of voter fraud.

There is no citizenship registry against which to check. In the event of a close match, it's probably assumed there is a real match. Most such studies don't set out to prove high numbers; most of the researchers want few numbers. You get what you look for, and suspicious cases can be trusted and vanish from the conclusion.

When illegal aliens are nabbed and slated for deportation, they may have moved but, in any event, nobody's stressing out over their registration records.

People could report such, but those who know that Muhammed Yurevich Garcia y McCammon voted illegally tend to know him well and don't report him. Those who don't know him don't know he's voted. So few examples get reported--and those that do make no difference and cost a BOE money. So few cases get filed--and if one looks like it will be filed, the illegal alien could easily move or just vanish.

So few convictions are obtained for fraudulent registration.

But the bar is higher, because the claim is that few cases are proven in which the illegal registrant actually voted. You'd have to find the registration book, prove his signature was his, and that he entered the voting booth and cast a vote. "I'm sorry, I registered but in the end went to vote and cast a null ballot." Oops, no case. No vote cast. Prove he *did* vote ... Oh, ballots are secret.

The system is set up to miss, overlook, or disregard cases of registration fraud. If nobody had checked this Cetin guy, nobody would know about him, either. That's the nature of the assumptions lurking behind the "there are vanishingly small numbers of convicted or proven cases of registration fraud." And even fewer cases of voter fraud can be proven.

[George II]

6. What does his voting record, if any (he's not a citizen) have to do with anything?

[MichMan]

7. Because he should have never been allowed to vote

How was he able to vote and what should have been done to prevent it? Since he voted in multiple elections, the only reason he was caught now was because of the shooting.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

13. I'm sure he had a driver's license too.

So what would all the goofy ID laws do to prevent the guy from voting? Nothing.

He committed a felony by voting. The vast vast majority of people won't risk it.

What little actual voter fraud there is usually consists of non citizens voting - usually through ignorance and felons for the same reason.

[uppityperson]

9. This has nothing to do with his mental health and murders. It will have something to do with whomeve

is responsible for checking this stuff out.

[Yo_Mama]

12. In Washington State no one checks.

There's no legal right to do so.

I assume many voters are not legally allowed to vote.

[SpankMe]

11. I knew a woman from South Africa who was a permanent resident (green card holder)

She went to register to vote in California. But when she read the instructions with the registration form, she read that only US citizens could register and vote. She was unaware of this before she read the form, so she didn't fill out the form. She's now aware that she's ineligible to vote, but didn't know that until she read the form.

Not all non-citizens are aware that you have to be a citizen in order to vote. They may still register out of ignorance glossing over the instructions). But very few non-citizens will deliberately register and vote knowing that fines, jail and possible deportation will result.

These cases are still extremely rare - never enough to perturb election results. Clerical errors, machine malfunctions, and even legal citizen fraud probably affect tons more votes than non-citizens voting.

But, the RW will never be convinced.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Yep, that's what I have read.

The majority of cases are non citizens and felons voting out of pure ignorance. Then there is the lazy non address changers.

Non of which driver's license requirements would fix. And very rare.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

15. Something is funny about this;

this is from a friend of mine regarding the process to register in WA state-

Actually Wa. State is a vote by mail state. You must register to vote by mail or in person prior to an election. If you register by mail you must provide acceptable I.D. that is verified before allowing anyone to vote.
There is no "honor system". I worked for King County Elections for many years and know the system well.

So I'm not sure how the guy voted. If he registered it was with false papers I guess......