Playboy model charged over locker room 'body-shaming' image
Source: BBC
5 November 2016
Los Angeles police have charged Playboy model Dani Mathers over a "body-shaming" image she took of an older woman in a gym locker room.
The picture of the naked 70-year-old was taken in LA Fitness in July without her consent and posted on social media.
She uploaded the photo to Snapchat alongside one of herself and the caption: "If I can't unsee this then you can't either".
Ms Mathers faces a charge of invasion of privacy.
She could face up to six months in jail and a $1,000 (£800) fine if convicted.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37882973
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)What a horrible thing to do.
cstanleytech
(26,306 posts)unless she took the photo while the other lady was in a private dressing room where she would have every expectation of not being seen by others and she clearly wasnt based on that photo.
arithia
(455 posts)You cannot photograph people in public changing rooms or bathrooms. It does not matter if the person was in a stall or in an open changing area- there is still a basic, legal expectation of privacy.
It's your basic anti-peeping/anti-pervert law.
You also cannot legally take someone's picture if they are in a place with a reasonable expectation of privacy. So if she had done this say, outside, across the street with a telephoto lens, it would still be illegal.
inanna
(3,547 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)cstanleytech
(26,306 posts)agree that the laws are constitutional in this instance.
arithia
(455 posts)and they were in the women's changing/shower area. Restrooms are considered the private property of who owns them and on any such private property, you need permission of the owner to even snap normal, non nude photos. (LA Fitness promptly banned the model and for good reason.) The only time you do not need permission to take pictures of people is when they are in true public areas, such as on the street, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.
These laws are national. Some states may have specific laws against the involuntary distribution of nudes, such as "revenge porn" laws, but that doesn't change the illegality of snapping pics in the women's room/gym shower.
As for constitutionality..... lolwut? Peeping Toms have tried to challenge these laws for years with little to no success for good reason. This sh*t is invasive and serves no purpose beyond the objectification and denigration of the person who is having nudes taken of them against their will.
cstanleytech
(26,306 posts)due to the fact that it was out in the open in front of other women.
The law specifically applies to locker rooms and gyms such as this. It is still considered a place where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. It is not a public street- access is limited to the people who belong in that room- paying members of the gym of the appropriate gender designation. It is private. It is exclusive. It is not "plain view".
The courts have defined bathrooms and changing areas as locations where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy again and again and again. 4th Amendment stuff here.
In the end, it doesn't matter what her lawyers claim. California doesn't even allow cameras in changing rooms at clothing retailers or workplace bathrooms and those places often have REASON to monitor foot traffic. This model took the photo on private property in a location with a legal expectation of privacy. She also showed she had absolutely no reason or intention for taking and posting the photo beyond shaming the woman who didn't consent to having the photo taken.
If you still have questions after this, I suggest researching photography and privacy laws. I can't make it any more plain for you.
This b*tch is screwed.
Hekate
(90,766 posts)This stupid Mean Girl broke the law. Aside from being brainless and cruel, for which she should be ashamed, she broke the law, for which she should be prosecuted.
There are indeed levels of privacy in locker rooms, showers at the gym -- including the big showers with nozzles for 8 people, changing rooms, and toilet stalls. The expectation is that you will not have your photo taken without your permission, much less published. It is not a public space like a restaurant or a sidewalk.
Do you think it would be trivial and even legal for someone to snap pictures in a men's restroom, just because there are several urinals in a row? Do you think it would be trivial and legal for that same person to post those pictures online with comments about old men's equipment?
No, it is not legal.
cstanleytech
(26,306 posts)its just plain rude at the very least I am simply pointing out that her lawyer might try that defense for her should she try to fight it rather than plea out.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,334 posts)Any reasonable person can understand whatever level of privacy expected, IN A CHANGING ROOM, was breached in this instance.
A person doesn't have to lock themselves in a vault to insure any level of privacy.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)which have run into problems in multiple state courts. But those all address photos/images/movie clips of people in PUBLIC spaces.
http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-upskirt-law-ruled-unconstitutional-anti-creepshot-privacy-statutes-face-legal-1691321
A dressing room or bathroom is, by definition, a space provided and used to maintain the privacy of those using it - Persons using these facilities have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and have not granted any sort of implicit license to have their images taken by others, preserved, and/or distributed.
Warpy
(111,315 posts)but I am glad to see at least one Mean Girl face charges. And yes, she broke the law.
She could also be sued for monetary damages and I'm sure the judge will make that clear to her, although I doubt it will happen.
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DrToast
(6,414 posts)Which I'm okay with Actually.
Midnight Writer
(21,780 posts)But I assume the victim could (and will) pursue civil action.
IronLionZion
(45,491 posts)manicraven
(901 posts)I went on Twitter and shamed her for this behavior. Told her that "pretty is as pretty does" and that she's a very shallow person.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The poor old woman was doing better than most of us--at least she got up off her ass and went to the damn gym.
I'm in favor of a few days in jail, the full fine, AND a civil judgment of several hundred thousand. Just because!
Sick of mean people....
LakeArenal
(28,833 posts)People like this "model" will see someone like the older woman and say " Man she needs to go to the gym". Then when she goes to the gym, they shame her and don't want her in "their gym". Hopefully old age will catch up to her as well. It's a bitch to get old.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)public service work, too.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Then again, that would probably be cruel to the residents.
mainer
(12,022 posts)The utter lack of human empathy tells all.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,385 posts)dawn frenzy adams
(429 posts)This is a young woman whose face and body was shaped by a surgeons scalpel. That speaks volumes. Obviously, she thinks that those that don't fit society's unrealistic definition of beauty, should be shamed. But to do this to a 70 year-old woman, reveals a deep cruelty. If she wasn't just a shallow, vapid, cretin, it would have been inspirational to see a 70 year-old woman keeping fit. After all, she will be 70 years-old some day. I hope the judge will not be swayed by her big, plastic, boobs, and throw her ass in jail.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)She obviously shares his despicable values.
She'll get off, though. Money and fake beauty go a long way towards perverting the course of justice in this country.
svpadgham
(670 posts)Just my guess.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Most of us probably do not understand clearly that we are all only "temporarily able" ... in mind, body, spirit, emotions, psychological well being, and all the other tiny aspects that make us who we are or believe we are. If we are lucky enough to be able by having won some parts of the genetic lottery, time, toil, the toll of time, misfortune, disease, accidents, and life circumstances can and most frequently does remove us in whole or part from those luckier times. Lots of folks did not win the lottery of life and so the struggle started at the time they began their time, here in this life.
If we have had in our lives family members, loved ones, friends, associates and/or co-workers who struggle their whole lives or suffer misfortunes of mind, body, spirit, emotions, psychological well being we might be kinder and more thoughtful in our behavior to all other persons and living things in the world. But, that takes thought, empathy, compassion, and personal forbearance to appreciate and incorporate into our lives and behavior.
If we think of others as mere objects, then it is easy to judge, ridicule, and reproach ... the social medias have no social filters, they are whispers in the dark, under the breathe, and giggled at like naughty children. Social media does not have our Mothers present, our friends startled gasp of incomprehension, our real live associates stark glances in our direction to indicate the reasonable social condemnation that would reasonably be forthcoming. It is a pity but the social networks like Facebook (in which, if you have thousands of followers, it is hardly a private exchange) and others become vehicles for such vile behavior ... not evil, just vile, like unwashed children who have played too hard, gotten too heated, and drank too many sugary treats.
I am also sorry for her mother as I am sure her mother tried to raise her better.
Stryguy
(209 posts)She's turning 30 years old in 1 month. In the world of playboy and porn that makes her nearly invisible.
On a serious note. While body shaming is abhorrent it's her photographing someone nude without their consent that's disturbing as all get out. What gears turn in your head let you think you can take a photograph of someone nude without them knowing and consenting?
complain jane
(4,302 posts)she's been acting like this for a long time. And even if she hadn't posted photos of strangers to social media before and only trashed these poor people in her head, what a judgmental bitch.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)Hope she's prosecuted. Mean people suck.
Cha
(297,464 posts)Yonnie3
(17,462 posts)However, I don't think she will do prison time. Community service, bed pan detail in a hospital would be a start.
Has the subject of her photo has come forward? IF she does and has a decent lawyer, Dani can add bankrupt to her resume.