Joe McKnight's shooter, Ronald Gasser, released from custody
Source: Nola.com
Ronald Gasser, the man authorities say shot and killed former NFL player Joe McKnight, was released from custody overnight without being charged, Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office authorities said Friday morning (Dec. 2).
Gasser, 54, has not been formally charged, said JPSO spokesman Col. John Fortunato. Investigators are consulting with the district attorney's office on the decision whether to formally charge Gasser, Fortunato said.
As the investigation into McKnight's death continues, Fortunato asked anyone with information about the shooting to contact department homicide detectives at 504-364-5393.
McKnight, 28, was shot about 3 p.m. Thursday (Dec. 1) at the intersection of Behrman Highway and Holmes Boulevard in Terrytown. A witness, who declined to give her name, said she saw a man at the intersection yelling at McKnight, who was trying to apologize. The man shot McKnight more than once, the witness said. She said he shot McKnight, stood over him and said, "I told you don't you f--- with me." Then the man fired again, she said.
Read more: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/12/ronald_gasser_suspect_in_joe_m.html#incart_breaking
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)Because Hitmen are notorious for cooperating with the police
"...One agent has alleged that DeVecchio became compromised to the point of helping Scarpa locate people that Scarpa wanted to kill.
In early 1994, DeVecchio was placed under investigation, but in the meantime he was neither discharged nor put on administrative leave. Instead, he was moved off his squad to another supervisory positionas the F.B.I.s drug-enforcement coördinator for the entire Northeastern United States, with unrestricted access to classified documents. He continued to hold that job after he informed the Bureau in a sworn statement that he was not amenable to a voluntary polygraph examination, and, incredibly, even after invoking his Fifth Amendment privilege and refusing to testify about his conduct as an F.B.I. supervisor at a hearing last May. No F.B.I. officialnot even Louis Freeh or the New York chief, James Kallstromwould comment on why a man being investigated for leaking information was kept in a post requiring top-security clearance. "
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/12/16/the-g-man-and-the-hit-man
You may recognize Kallstrom's name from some recent discussion about him on this site, pre election:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/03/meet-donald-trump-s-top-fbi-fanboy.html
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Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,575 posts)" ...
He formed his own crew of young Irish-American gangsters, called The Celtic Club. His main enforcers were Keith Ritson, Kevin McTaggart, Brian O'Donnell, Danny Greene, Jr. and Billy McDuffy, who set up gambling dens across the city. He also allied with John Nardi, a "Cleveland family" labor racketeer who wanted to overthrow the leadership. Underworld crime figures note that James "Icepick" Sterling, a gun and explosives expert, is believed to have almost 60 contract killings under his belt but was never arrested or questioned in any of the Cleveland bombings. Retired after Greene's 1977 death, Sterling moved to Troy, Michigan. The relationship between Greene and Birns began to sour. Greene had asked Birns for a loan of $75,000 to set up a "cheat spot", a speakeasy and gambling house. Birns arranged for it through the Gambino crime family. The money was lost in the hands of Birn's courier Billy Cox, who purchased Cocaine. The police raided his house, arrested him, seized the narcotics and what was left of the $75,000. The Gambino family wanted their money. Shondor pressed Greene who flatly refused to return it, reminding him that he couldn't return something he never received and that Birn's Courier had lost it.[9]
To settle the dispute, Birns directed an associate to hire a hitman for Greene and gave him $25,000 for the job, especially in the event of any harm befalling him. Several minor underworld characters, burglars by trade, took the contract, but made numerous failed assassination attempts on Greene. Not long after, Greene found an unexploded bomb in his car when he pulled into a Collinwood service station for gas. The explosive was wired improperly and failed to detonate. Greene disassembled the bomb himself, removed the dynamite, and brought the rest of the package to a policeman, Edward Kovacic. Kovacic offered him police protection, but he refused. He refused to hand over the bomb, telling him, "I'm going to send this back to the old bastard that sent it to me".[citation needed] Suspecting that Birns was behind it, Greene decided to retaliate. On March 29, 1975, Holy Saturday, the eve of Easter, Birns was blown up by a bomb containing C-4, a potent military explosive, in the lot behind Christy's Lounge, the former Jack & Jill West Lounge, a go-go spot at 2516 Detroit Ave. near St. Malachi's Church.[10]
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UNIDENTIFIED: "How can a marked man put a big flag in front of his house? He had a big Irish flag out by the side; anybody could see it. He put it there on purpose. He'd be sitting out there under the sun."
CALANDRA: "He has some pretty good connections, though."
LICAVOLI: "He had some connections all right. The fucking FBI. He used to tell them about every goddamned thing everyone did."
CALANDRA: "You know that with Greene? He was the FBI's boy?"
LICAVOLI: "Oh, fuck yes. But he didn't work with the FBI, he told them what to do! He told them what to do. He said FBI your ass. He thought he got so fuckin' big. Well, he wanted it all; that's all. Him and Nardi. That fucker. He used to give them the money, and he used to give them all the information. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Greene
" To Connolly and Morris, Bulger was a TE, or top-echelon informant, the highest designation in the Bureau for a snitch. Having a TE under your jurisdiction was a major feather in the cap of any agent, the kind of accomplishment that could lead to commendations from headquarters, financial rewards, and promotions within the ranks of what J. Edgar Hoover once called the sacred trust.
The governments case against Bulger is based partly on his role as an FBI informant, particularly how he used his connections with law enforcement to engage in an underworld version of insider trading. Bulger received information from Morris and Connolly about investigations conducted by other law-enforcement agencies into his criminal activities. The agents tipped him off about potential informants in his organization. Bulger allegedly used that information to murder said informants before they could do him any harm. Incredibly, in 1983, Morris and Connolly even allowed Bulger and Flemmi to listen to highly confidential Title III recordings from a bug they had placed in the main headquarters of the Mafia in Boston. "
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/01/you-re-a-f-cking-liar-whitey-bulger-and-the-fbi-s-sordid-history.html
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)I could probably keep going for quite a while, Nobody.
"...
Two decades after her father/underboss Sammy opened the tell-all Mafia floodgates as an FBI informant, Karen Gravano spills her own secrets in a new autobiography, Mob Daughter.
...
Gravano, who returned to Staten Island after she was sentenced to three years probation in 2002 for her role in her fathers drug operation in Arizona, is slated for a Feb. 16 book signing at the Barnes & Noble at 97 Warren St. in Tribeca.
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Sammys tale remains tough to top: He admitted to 19 murders and helped convict 39 organized crime colleagues after going into the federal witness protection program. "
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/karen-gravano-tells-news-dad-sammy-bull-betrayed-2-families-article-1.1017271
Here's a 4 in 1 for you, Nobe.
The FBI first "flipped" Charles "Chuckie" Crimaldi, a former associate of Sam DeStefano. ... Crimaldi also provided information on his part in luring William "Action" Jackson to his death.
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Later, Sal Romano, another member of the Hole in the Wall Gang ... became a government informant.
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Spilotro's boyhood friend, Frank Cullotta, admitted that for many years he'd done "muscle work" on Spilotro's behalf, including setting up the 1962 "M&M Murders" of James Miraglia and Billy McCarthy. ... Cullotta subsequently became a federal witness ... Cullotta, who had publicly admitted to being a killer himself, supplied information about the M&M murders.
...
On May 18, 2007, the star witness in the government's case against 14 Chicago mob figures, Nicholas Calabrese, pleaded guilty to taking part in a conspiracy that included 18 murders, including the hits on Anthony and Michael Spilotro, in 1986.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Spilotro
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" ...
Rosenthal once ran the Stardust, Hacienda, Marina and Fremont casinos for the Chicago Mafia, also known as the Outfit. He did this without the benefit of a Nevada gaming license. (He was denied a license because of, in good part, his lifelong friendship with Chicago hitman Anthony The Ant Spilotro. Bonus trivia: After Tony the Ant came to Las Vegas, the murder rate went up 70%.)
...
When Rosenthal was denied a gaming license, he got into a confrontation with the chairman of the Nevada Gaming Control Board. The chairman was none other than U.S. Senator Harry Reid.
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Rosenthal was called one of the greatest living experts on sports gambling by Sports Illustrated. ... Lefty Rosenthal had a TV show. The shows first guest was Frank Sinatra. Other celebrity guests included Bob Hope, Wayne Newton, Liberace ...
...
Frank Lefty Rosenthal died of a heart attack at age 79 in Miami Beach in 2008. After his death, it was revealed Rosenthal had been, talk about multi-tasking, an FBI informant. His FBI code name was Achilles. "
Coincidentally, the current gee oh pee er President Elect can't get a casino license in Las Vegas either.
Here's one that's local, for me. The victim ran his Pro Football playing cousin's official steeler t-shirt franchise, and the hit was pulled by 2 actual cops, on behalf of a Greek mobster, who wanted the lot the victim's home was on, for a large 2 block real estate development deal he was working on. The main cop/hitman was found "not guilty", and was promoted to Lt. The dead man's cousin was traded to another team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Gammage
Is it "hitmen cooperating with the police", when the police are the hitmen? Interesting philosophical question.
Here's an interesting little string of relevant "hits" for you, Nobey:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/hired-hit-man-undercover-cop-atf-23939468
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-we-tricked-hit-man-hiring-wife/
http://metro.co.uk/2009/04/22/hitman-was-an-undercover-cop-51823/
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6951438&page=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456908/Grandmother-70-arrested-attempting-pay-undercover-cop-posed-hitman-5-000-kill-daughter-law.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-julia-merfeld-mich-woman-tries-to-hire-hit-man-to-kill-husband-says-its-easier-than-divorcing/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2336276/missouri-woman-hires-undercover-cop-to-murder-her-husbands-pregnant-girlfriend/
Obviously, I could go on, and on, with this one. What do you think made these people think the undercover cops were hitmen? Where do you think the clients got the info on how to get in contact with the cop/hitmen? How do you think those cops established their undercover roles as hitmen?
I don't have the answers, but you seem very worldly, learned, opinionated, and above all, not unwilling to share your opinion. Maybe you could hazard a few guesses.
I could go into a dozen posts worth of details about organized crime extortion and murder of pro sports players and their families, and a nauseatingly high number of scandals involving police department corruption and cooperation with organized crime, but you probably get the overall picture by now.
So the moral of the story here, to me, is:
If you don't really know what you're talking about, you're probably better off not attempting to ridicule someone else, for making a simple observation in a non-disparaging manner. Especially if you and that "someone else" you're trying to embarrass and mock have never had any previous negative interactions before.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Nothing to see here, move along
I am sure if the roles were reversed the same thing would have happened
zz-la
(224 posts)Since Louisiana is another one of these "Stand your Ground" states, it's likely this will go down the same path as the George Zimmerman murder of Travon Martin in Florida. Stupid crap laws like this only invite this sort of conclusion.
still_one
(92,190 posts)riversedge
(70,221 posts)is down and wounded. Something is wrong here--and Gasser just walks. Something is not right.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)said all the shell casings were found in the car, which in his mind means Gasser was in the car when all the shots were fired.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Shell casings can travel about 10 feet.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)What's wrong is your "facts"
riversedge
(70,221 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)I'm just saying that the police was stating that the information you stated was false.
riversedge
(70,221 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)ESPN story .
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Utterly = completely, entirely, absolutely. The witness account has no relation to the actual shooting. They cannot arrest or charge on the basis of that witness' statement.
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/12/ronald_gasser_joe_mcknight_sho.html
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Cvitanovich said one of the three bullets that struck McKnight, 28, entered his chest and traveled through his liver and kidney before exiting out his right lower back. Another bullet struck McKnight in his right shoulder and punctured his lung. The third bullet hit McKnight in his left hand, the coroner said.
Normand said three shell casings were found inside Gasser's vehicle. Gasser, 54, was sitting in the driver's seat of his blue Infiniti coupe when he fired three times at McKnight. The former NFL player was out of his Audi Q7 and "positioned at the passenger window of the Infiniti," authorities said.
Between the autopsy and the position of the shell casings (not to mention blood, etc), the witness is lying or more likely did not even see what occurred, or perhaps was intoxicated and confused that late at night.
They need probable cause to charge, and if you arrest when the evidence does not support it, the police can be charged with false arrest.
On the other hand, most people in a vehicle will drive off when threatened, so this is still a suspicious shooting. I would assume that the cops got the shooter to make definite statements that can be checked against physical evidence (and if contradicted, can help make the case against the shooter). The call they are putting out for witnesses is because the witness account you are referring to is worse than useless.
I posted the stuff about the wounds because they mean something rather definite. If the shooter was in his vehicle (shell casings), then in order for those trajectories to be possible, the deceased was leaning into the car window (upper body strongly inclined down to the window, and the left hand must have been either up or in the car, or perhaps was hit last if the deceased reeled back from the car.
And that changes the picture, because that seems more threatening. It might not be a threat if the deceased were just leaning into the window talking to the shooter, but whatever happened, this was not a friendly encounter.
The only other way to get wound trajectories like that would be an almost downward shot, as if the shooter were standing on top of the car and shot downward into the deceased's body, but that isn't possible because of the shell casings.
They can also get gunpowder residue from the body and from the car to confirm how the shooting occurred. They will be able to get fingerprints etc from the passenger side. So there should be rather a lot of physical evidence in this case that would show a lot about what happened.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Perhaps he parked it after shooting him but you can hear the woman in the video saying "he got out and shot him"
https://mobile.twitter.com/SavionWright/status/804781524172161024/video/1
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)The incident happened at three in the afternoon, unless multiple media sources are incorrect.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)After that, it was just my own stupidity that carried that misconception along, I suppose.
It's a very weird story, and I hope the police do get other witnesses to come forward.
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)I wasn't trying to call you out. Mostly I wanted to ensure that I had the facts straight myself.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Sounds fishy.
Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)Or anything else. Yet.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Doesn't that seem odd?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Gasser admitted to shooting McKnight according to police accounts of the incident, which reportedly stemmed from a case of road rage. During the odd press conference, Normand attempted to beat back against what he said were false rumors about the incident as well as any speculation that there was a racial component to Gassers release. But he struggled to explain whywhen Gasser has admitted to the shooting deaththe police had not at least chosen to keep him in custody.
We felt as of last night out of an abundance of caution we did not want to get to that threshold in that point in time, Normand said of the decision not to arrest the shooter. People can Monday Morning Quarterback what weve done.
Mr. Gasser is not going anywhere, he has been completely cooperative with us in every request that we have made. So thats not the issue. Simply put the issue at the end of the day is that we will do a very thorough and deliberate investigation.
Again, this vague description of the reasoning behind the decision did not really clarify why the shooter was let go. Normand did say that he did not want to release any additional details because it might taint an ongoing investigation.
There are still witnesses that we are looking for and I do not want to be accused of tainting this investigation or suggesting a story about this investigation to witnesses that we have not located and talked to, Normand said.
The details, however, that Normand did feel comfortable revealing would seem to have been beneficial to Gasser, or at least were defensive against claims that his office had acted inappropriately out of any sort of racial prejudice.
I would strongly suggest that you stop believing what youre reading, he said, citing several reports that depicted the shooting as a cold-blooded assassination.
Normand directly contradicted this account, saying that the three shell casings were found in Gassers car, which would indicate that he fired from his automobile into McKnights and not when he was standing over him. The coroner Gerald Cvitanovich said McKnight was shot three times in the hand, shoulder and chest, and the wounds were inconsistent with what the witness described to Nola.com.
We have no witness account of an apology being made by Mr. McKnight to Mr. Gasser so that did not occur, Normand said, without explaining why this information wouldnt potentially taint other future witness accounts.
Ive been already accused of dropping the ball ... because we released Mr. Gasser last evening after we took his statement, Normand said, adding I cant go into the details as why that is at this point in time, but I can tell you I cant wait for the moment so that I can set the record straight.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/02/cops_unable_to_explain_why_man_who_shot_joe_mcknight_was_released.html
Now my next question is, who is Mr. Gasser? Must be somebody to walk away from an alleged homicide.
George II
(67,782 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)he gets a bullet in the mouth. period. POS
Doreen
(11,686 posts)figure the woman who actually witnessed it must have been lying. She said he stood over Mcknight and the police said he did not stand over him. This man needs to be held just like Mcknight would have been held if it were the other way around.
Judi Lynn
(160,540 posts)Joe McKnight's shooter was cited in 2006 road rage incident, beating at same Terrytown spot: JPSO
By Manuel Torres, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune.
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on December 02, 2016 at 7:50 PM, updated December 02, 2016 at 9:11 PM
The man who shot and killed Joe McKnight was cited a decade ago after a road rage incident in which he allegedly beat another man on the same intersection where he shot McKnight on Thursday, authorities said.
Ronald Gasser was issued a misdemeanor summons for simple battery in the Feb. 20, 2006 incident, after a man said Gasser attacked him and beat him with his fist, the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office said. The charge was ultimately dismissed, but will be reviewed again now, JPSO said in a press release.
Gasser fatally shot McKnight, a former NFL player and local high school standout, at the end of a road rage incident in the Terrytown intersection of Behrman Highway and Holmes Boulevard, authorities said. Gasser, who shot McKnight three times, was released without charges Friday, pending results of an investigation.
. . .
The February 2006 incident involving Gasser was also the result of what was at first a verbal confrontation, according to JPSO. The victim in that case, identified by JPSO only as a 51-year-old man from Marrero, called 911 to report a man driving dangerously in a pick-up truck along Holiday Drive in Algiers. JPSO said the driver was later identified as Gasser.
More:
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/12/joe_mcknights_shooter_was_cite.html
applegrove
(118,659 posts)too.
Judi Lynn
(160,540 posts)Cops Unable to Explain Why Man Who Shot Joe McKnight Was Released
Dec. 2 2016 4:42 PM
By Jeremy Stahl
The man who shot and killed former NFL player Joe McKnight in Louisiana on Thursday was released for undisclosed reasons, Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand said in a press conference on Friday.
The shooting death of McKnightwho is blackand release of the shooter Ronald Gasserwho is whitehas caused outrage on social media among social justice activists and McKnights former teammates.
Gasser admitted to shooting McKnight according to police accounts of the incident, which reportedly stemmed from a case of road rage. During the odd press conference, Normand attempted to beat back against what he said were false rumors about the incident as well as any speculation that there was a racial component to Gassers release. But he struggled to explain whywhen Gasser has admitted to the shooting deaththe police had not at least chosen to keep him in custody.
We felt as of last night out of an abundance of caution we did not want to get to that threshold in that point in time, Normand said of the decision not to arrest the shooter. People can Monday Morning Quarterback what weve done.
More:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/02/cops_unable_to_explain_why_man_who_shot_joe_mcknight_was_released.html
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)The witness -- who is NOT the same person who spoke with NOLA.com -- says she heard the two men arguing on Thursday afternoon ... while she was visiting a nearby business. The witness says she spoke with officers at the scene and gave them her information but hasn't heard from them since.
After the shots were fired, the witness says she distinctly remembers seeing Gasser over McKnight's body ... and heard him yelling at the downed football star, "I told you I was going to f**k you up."
She says Gasser was pacing back and forth with his gun in his hand for a few moments after the shooting ... and then put the gun on the trunk of his car.
The witness says Gasser then took the gun and put it inside of his car while waiting for police to arrive.
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/12/03/joe-mcknight-ronald-gasser-shooting-photo/
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)It doesn't fit that he shot inside his car with McKnight dying behind those vehicles unless he shot him and parked it after shooting him but multiple witnesses claimed he was out of his car.
Perhaps he could have picked up the shell casings?
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JonLP24
(29,322 posts)At any rate this documentary is a must see
https://m.
Judi Lynn
(160,540 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,540 posts)EXCLUSIVE: Lucky to be alive? Ex-cop tells how he was chased down and spat on in road rage confrontation with gunman who shot NFL star Joe McKnight dead years later
By Daniel Bates In New Orleans, Louisiana For Dailymail.com
Published: 23:39 EST, 3 December 2016 | Updated: 02:14 EST, 4 December 2016
Ten years ago a crazed motorist in a red pickup truck attacked John Shilling in a road rage incident in New Orleans.
Ten years on, after that same man shot dead a former NFL player following a near identical road rage attack at the same location, Shilling says he feels lucky to be alive.
Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com, Shilling said that during the chilling encounter in 2006, Ronald Gasser spat at him through his open passenger side window after chasing him along a bridge.
Shilling said that he was disgusted as he didnt know if Gasser had AIDS or any other diseases.
Joe McKnight
Court records reviewed by DailyMail.com reveal that Ronald Gasser Sr. (right) and his son
(center) have at least 13 driving offences between them dating back decades. Gasser Sr.'s
wife is pictured left
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3998306/Man-claims-motorist-shot-dead-former-NFL-star-Joe-McKnight-yelled-SPAT-similar-road-rage-incident-decade-earlier.html#ixzz4RrAsnStH
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Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Looks like the claim of self defense is not holding up.
AP article