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sabra

(30,404 posts)
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:38 AM Jan 2017

Republican Plan To Replace Obamacare Would Turn Medicaid Over To States

Source: NPR

Republicans plan to turn control of Medicaid over to the states as part of their replacement for the Affordable Care Act, according to an adviser to President Donald Trump.

Kellyanne Conway, a counselor to Trump, told NBC News's Sunday Today with Willie Geist, that the health care law that will replace Obamacare will turn Medicaid — a joint state-federal health insurance program for the poor — into a block grant program. The change would mean the federal government would give money to the states to implement Medicaid as they see fit.

"Those who are closest to the people in need will be administering it," Conway said in the interview, which was recorded the Thursday and Sunday. "You really cut out the fraud, waste and abuse, and you get the help directly to them."

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But many health policy analysts say that block grants could lead to reductions in care. "A Medicaid block grant program would institute deep cuts to federal funding ... and threaten benefits for tens of millions of low-income families," said Edwin Park, vice president for Health Policy at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, in a report on the group's website.

Read more: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/01/22/510984148/republican-plan-to-replace-obamacare-would-turn-medicaid-over-to-states?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170122

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Republican Plan To Replace Obamacare Would Turn Medicaid Over To States (Original Post) sabra Jan 2017 OP
Yes the new Republican Death Panel plan will be so much better than Obamacare. nt cstanleytech Jan 2017 #1
and he has become death heaven05 Jan 2017 #2
Going out on a limb here - Willie Geist sat there and nodded underpants Jan 2017 #3
Oh I disagree completely about the possibility of graft as there isnt any possibility cstanleytech Jan 2017 #4
Washing their hands of it bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #5
Actually, Medicaid is already administered at the state level... Princess Turandot Jan 2017 #6
The way I see it standingtall Jan 2017 #24
Medicaid funds nursing home care DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #7
While this is totally horrible, at least it does have a silver lining. lark Jan 2017 #10
It's 10k/month for private pay DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #11
But the progressive object is health care, not revenge. CBHagman Jan 2017 #13
True, innocent bystanders will be hurt DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #16
I know and if I could I'd stop it. lark Jan 2017 #18
Don't crow too soon. A state might decide to continue to fund nursing home care at/near its current Princess Turandot Jan 2017 #21
I live in FL, where the impact will be felt the most. lark Jan 2017 #22
Republicans Could Just Call The Block Grant, "Basic Income"... TomCADem Jan 2017 #8
So in a blue state you would get care, but in a red state you'd suffer. Vinca Jan 2017 #9
Inevitably people will move from red states to blue states for better care. cbdo2007 Jan 2017 #12
I think that's the plan. moondust Jan 2017 #14
One problem with that scenario karynnj Jan 2017 #19
The blue states will implement more stringent residency requirements. roamer65 Jan 2017 #15
Yeah, they just won't have the money for all the diaspora from the Red States. harun Jan 2017 #20
Who decides the size of the "grant" each state gets? briv1016 Jan 2017 #17
At that point there's no point to keeping Medicaid at all, as it's just a welfare payment from rich geek tragedy Jan 2017 #23
I really think we are going to see blue and red nation states adigal Jan 2017 #25

underpants

(182,788 posts)
3. Going out on a limb here - Willie Geist sat there and nodded
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jan 2017

Aside from the decreased funding parsing it out to the states opens up the possibility of tremendous graft.

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
4. Oh I disagree completely about the possibility of graft as there isnt any possibility
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:55 AM
Jan 2017

as its just about a certainty.

bucolic_frolic

(43,144 posts)
5. Washing their hands of it
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 12:00 PM
Jan 2017

It will lead to benefits dispersed on the basis of first com first served, or
until the money runs out for the year, or which church you belong to,
or what the legislature will add to the pot

It's no kind of health plan at all

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
6. Actually, Medicaid is already administered at the state level...
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jan 2017

Historically, the Feds have primarily doled out funding on a 1 to 1 match with the states, and have set a baseline of services that must be provided. (The states can offer additional benefits, which they fund themselves).

Thus her statement that Those who are closest to the people in need will be administering it," Conway said in the interview, which was recorded the Thursday and Sunday. "You really cut out the fraud, waste and abuse, and you get the help directly to them. is complete malarkey.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
24. The way I see it
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 09:20 PM
Jan 2017

"You really cut out the fraud,waste and abuse" Is republican code for we think that to many people are eligible for medicaid we are going to cut them off by allowing governors to tighten the eligibility requirements.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
7. Medicaid funds nursing home care
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jan 2017

Wait until these middle class Trump voters figure out how much Mom and/or Dad's nursing home care will cost them once medicaid turns into a "block grant". Then wait until Medicaid comes after the assets they thought were protected in some kind of estate planning trust and would be their inheritance once Mom and Dad were gone. It is going to be a rude awakening.

lark

(23,097 posts)
10. While this is totally horrible, at least it does have a silver lining.
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 02:44 PM
Jan 2017

My batshit crazy yellow dog repug boss would be hurt mightily by this change. Her dad has Alzheimers and pissed away all the family $ and is in a nursing home on Medicaid. Her husband is a Chief of Surgery so they have $$, but she doesn't want to spend her own money on mean ole' dad. She deserves the $4,000 month charge currently being paid by Medicaid. This is in FL and you know Voldemort and his paid minions in the legislature will make it so that Medicaid no longer covers all his care or covers much for anyone. The people that voted drumpf totally deserve this, they in their stupidity elected him. Unfortunately, the majority who didn't vote for him (like all my family) will also be fucked over badly too.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
11. It's 10k/month for private pay
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:18 PM
Jan 2017

It's 10k and counting for monthly care in a nursing home. I was told nursing homes do no worse than break even if they get only medicaid payments, but if medicaid goes away, they won't be accepting 4k/mo from families. 4k/mo barely covers assisted living.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
13. But the progressive object is health care, not revenge.
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 03:22 PM
Jan 2017

Revenge doesn't improve the world. Innocent people will be harmed by this move.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
16. True, innocent bystanders will be hurt
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 09:08 PM
Jan 2017

but Trump voters will have to feel the pain personally before they'll understand what they voted for.

lark

(23,097 posts)
18. I know and if I could I'd stop it.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jan 2017

I feel so sorry for so many that will be hurt by this through no fault of their own. Since there's probably no hope of this not happening, glad that some of the people that put him in office will also get hurt by what they themselves wrought.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
21. Don't crow too soon. A state might decide to continue to fund nursing home care at/near its current
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jan 2017

level while reducing/eliminating other services. That's what I would do, if I was a worthless-excuse-for-a-human-being right-wing governor.

Right now, the Feds set a baseline set of services that states must provide to Medicaid beneficiaries: I assume that will be completely eliminated in this Republican proposal. The states already decide how much to reimburse for specific services in their state: the Feds don't tell them how much to pay. So before those commercials start running warning that one's completely senile parent will be returning home, you announce that nursing home bills will, of course, be covered. Then you reduce payment rates for ED visits and obstetrics care directly, or establish large coinsurance amounts for them.

What would that accomplish? Nursing home care is the one area where Medicaid coverage impacts the middle-class, since many recipients only converted to Medicaid when their money ran out. (Or they managed to transfer their money to their children long enough ago to not fall afoul of the regulations concerning that, if those regs will even still exist.) Obstetrics and ED coverage largely impacts folks who were always low income, whom the republicans don't give a shit about. And there's also a bit of a safeguard for the politicians: when low-income Margaret is brought to a hospital ED about to give birth, they will deliver that baby regardless of her coverage.

So don't gloat yet.

lark

(23,097 posts)
22. I live in FL, where the impact will be felt the most.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jan 2017

FL Repugs would love nothing more than to soak all that money from the middle class, but it would hurt them at the polls if Medicaid didn't cover the cost of nursing care anymore, just don't know how much with all the Tealiban here.

Don't get me wrong, I am totally NOT in favor of this.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
8. Republicans Could Just Call The Block Grant, "Basic Income"...
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

...to make it sound more progressive, and you might confuse folks. Cut benefits to pay for tax cuts to the rich. Replace benefits with a block grant, which is then distributed to individuals as basic income allotment. Then, decrease amount of basic income grants over time.

moondust

(19,976 posts)
14. I think that's the plan.
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 04:03 PM
Jan 2017

Like voter suppression, some red states will try to make it increasingly difficult or impossible to qualify for Medicaid, making life as miserable as they can for "the poor" in the hope that many will move and become a "tax burden" on some other state. Then they can lower their taxes and attract wealthy sociopaths who don't need jobs to their tax-free havens. I've always assumed that was what refusing to expand Medicaid under the ACA was all about in states like Texas and Kansas--get rid of the poor rather than help them. (Such good Christians. ) Maybe they'll even figure out how to turn Medicaid into a slush fund for their own "priorities."

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
19. One problem with that scenario
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 09:44 AM
Jan 2017

Think of all the low pay service jobs needed to do things for the rich who remain. Not to mention, these will not be pleasant places to live in.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
15. The blue states will implement more stringent residency requirements.
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 05:44 PM
Jan 2017

They will basically become like citizenship.

They will have no choice.

harun

(11,348 posts)
20. Yeah, they just won't have the money for all the diaspora from the Red States.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jan 2017

We are moving closer to a Red Law/Blue Law society.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
17. Who decides the size of the "grant" each state gets?
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jan 2017

I give you a hint. A two month old map might play a role.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. At that point there's no point to keeping Medicaid at all, as it's just a welfare payment from rich
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jan 2017

blue states to poor red states that has only theoretical links to health care for poor people.

Which is exactly why they want to convert it into a block grant program--to kill it completely.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
25. I really think we are going to see blue and red nation states
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 07:06 AM
Jan 2017

Especially if Susan Collins' ACA replacement succeeds in which states can choose to continue to receive Federal funds, keeping the ACA basically.
Blue states will prosper, red states will be third world countries.

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