Trump 'to announce US embassy will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Monday'

[highplainsdem]

Source: The Independent

The White House will on Monday announce that the US embassy in Israel is to move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, according to unconfirmed reports by an Israeli news outlet.

Channel 2 cited an anonymous source as saying a member of the Trump administration would announce the highly controversial move on the President’s first full working day in office.

The news channel said they had received no confirmation of the claim and there has been no public statement on the move since Friday's inauguration of the new US President.

Relocating the US embassy to Jerusalem would represent a major break with US policy.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-embassy-israel-tel-aviv-jerusalem-reports-israeli-media-a7540476.html

[PatSeg]

1. Is he trying to start World War III?

[Botany]

4. Yes

The man is clueless.

[PatSeg]

11. I figure Bush got it started

and now Trump will finish it. Maybe he is one of those weird guys who likes to start fires and watch the repercussions afterwards. Poke an ant colony with a stick and watch them all scatter.

[Botany]

12. Even w bush knew enough or was told by people to not stir up that hornet's nest .....

.... of Israel taking over East Jerusalem.

[PatSeg]

19. Yes

In spite of Bush's lack of experience and competence, he did have some advisers who could compensate. Trump has surrounded himself with sycophantic freaks and clowns, Flynn being the scariest.

[Botany]

21. Good god in Butter ..... we still have a State Department w/experts in it.

All he had to do is pick up the phone and real middle east experts would be there to talk to him.

This is some really scary ass shit. A Warm war in the middle east goes hot, Pakistan gets a nuke to Hamas or
ISIS, some true believers touch it off in Israel, Israel blames Iran, meanwhile Russia moves on the Balatic
States and the Ukraine, ....

[PatSeg]

27. If he could, he'd probably do away with the State Department

and the Intelligence Community. So much easier to just pick up the phone and ask Putin I suppose. I am afraid he believes his own hype, no one knows more than him and no one can fix it except for him. The derangement is terrifying.

[LeftInTX]

42. I assume we would ally with Russia....

Would we go against NATO countries?
This is so confusing.

[karynnj]

67. The former SoS said his team did not have a lot of contact

With the State Department.

[cstanleytech]

72. He wont listen to them, about the only hope is if the Republicans in Congress vote not to provide

funding and or specifically vote to disallow him to redirect federal money for the move but thats not much of a hope as alot of the Republicans in congress are as big of bigots and racists as Trump is.

[Hortensis]

25. Every 6 months Bush signed a waiver to NOT move the embassy.

Likely very gladly, as you say, in spite of being a fundamentalist Christian himself, perhaps the first time with a little shudder at the thought.

I didn't remember this until Trump decided to turn Jerusalem into a yoooge trumpster fire and someone pointed it out, but in 1995 the Christian right got a law passed to move the embassy to Jerusalem, no later than early 1999, but presidents were allowed to delay the move for 6 months if there were security issues. Of course, there always were "security issues" to this militant Christian wet dream, so they've been delaying this mandated move in 6-month bumps for over 17 years.

Does anyone know who put this particular bee in Trump's ear? Perhaps it would be appropriate to become sick from worry now that Trump might be doing this to provoke an excuse to use nukes over there--instead of waiting to suddenly learn we've murdered entire cities and will become an international pariah.

[3_Limes]

33. "anyone know who put this particular bee in Trump's ear?"

Other than Netayahu?

[Matilda]

66. His Son-in-Law, now official adviser?

He's Jewish, and Ivanka converted.

If it would please Bibi, they may have pushed it.

[PatSeg]

39. I would think Michael Flynn

is probably encouraging this train of thought.

[LeftInTX]

43. Probably

Trump isn't even religious...

Why should he even care.

[PatSeg]

46. People like Flynn are

probably feeding his over sized ego with visions of grandiose accomplishments.

[Hortensis]

48. Yes to Flynn, and so true Trump's not religious, but

some of the people around him surprisingly are. Flynn. Steve Bannon, who's not just trying to mastermind an international replacement of liberalism with white nationalism, but who intends to destroy secularism in government. Alex Jones, who reportedly Trump listens to a lot, is also a deviant Christian at war with established religion but very much planning on a religious ascendancy. Other religious extremists who share Christian reconstructionist and dominionist and similar views are in that group jostling for power around Trump.

But this is all such vague information when it seems scary-likely that what is happening is part of a plot.

[Hekate]

47. I did not know that, Hortensis. We've skated along the edge of one crisis after another...

...for my entire life, always, in a sense, relying on the institutional memory of career civil servants in all branches of the government. People who work to keep it all running despite whoever gets elected or appointed ... If they can just get whoever is prez to listen to their expertise....

The 6-month bump.

[FBaggins]

87. It isn't realistic to spin that as "the Christian right" getting the law passed

The overwhelming majority of Democrats in both houses supported the law. Congress in general voted more than 10-1 in favor of the move.

Does anyone know who put this particular bee in Trump's ear?

He thinks he's the "art of the deal" guy. It's probably an attempt to put pressure on the Palestinians just as the UN vote was an attempt to pressure the Israelis.

[wordpix]

81. sounds like the move will be Mon. the way the headline's written

No doubt Snort would love that to be the case

[PatSeg]

84. That is how I read it at first

But now I think it means Trump will "announce" on Monday. Well it is Monday, so I guess we'll see soon enough.

[MurrayDelph]

37. The Iraq war showed

it's easier to steal and plunder during chaos.

[PatSeg]

38. Very true

It takes years, even decades before the truth comes out, if ever. It also makes it easier to roll back civil rights and call it patriotism.

[elmac]

69. the rapture crowd that voted for sniffles

wants the move to hasten end times.

[PatSeg]

71. And I think they were drawn to Trump

not for his spiritual demeanor, but rather because he embodies their vision of the Anti Christ. Hey, let's get those End Times rolling already!

[joshcryer]

73. He has to justify his invasion of Saudi Arabia some time.

[wordpix]

80. looks like he wants to be a war president a la GW*

[PatSeg]

83. Yep, play "soldier"

with real life humans. Beats going to Vietnam in your youth.

[Coventina]

2. Welcome intifada 3.0

[Botany]

3. Gasoline on a fire.

And Americans around the world will become even bigger targets for ISIS and so on.

[dalton99a]

6. Absolutely.

[Botany]

10. Not only to the Palestinian people who live there and on the east bank but the Golden Dome

is very important to Muslims around the world.

Since 1967 we have tried to stay out of the nightmare that is East Jerusalem and
Trump got us into that mess up to our eyeballs on his 3rd day.

He is really insane.

[Mosby]

26. The embassy would be in West J'lem

The only reason this is a big deal is because Arabs and Muslims are threatening to loose their shit over it.

It's a stupid building ffs.

FYI - the Dome of the Rock is where Abraham was going to sacrifice his son so it's kinda important to Jews and Christians, not just Muslims.

[LeftInTX]

44. As far as I know, there are no embassies in Jerusalem. Our's will be the first one.

[Mosby]

45. That's right

Israel is the only country in the world that doesn't have the right to declare it's capitol because lots of non-Israelis don't want them to and world leaders are afraid of upsetting those folks.

These same world leaders don't care about upsetting Israelis and Jews because what's the worst thing that could happen? A strongly worded letter to the local paper?

[Violet_Crumble]

75. What happened to the eternal and undivided Jerusalem? Suddenly it's just West Jerusalem?

Israel can name whatever it wants as its capital. It doesn't mean Israel has the right to force or bully other countries into violating international law and setting up embassies in a city that's divided and where changes to the status of the city is a big no-no until the conflict is resolved. If Trump and his gang of slack-jawed morons want to spend a zillion dollars and move the US embassy to Jerusalem, then I can't think of a better way for the US to proclaim to the world that them and Israel are totally up each others arses and they can join in a chorus of calling the Palestinians whinyarses, occupiers, bullies, etc. The rest of the world will just sit back and watch with disbelief when both the US and Israel do the next heartfelt announcement that all they want is peace and they're doing all they can to support a Palestinian state but those pesky Palestinians just keep putting up blockers....

[CanonRay]

14. Specifically, every Trump property in the world will have a bulleye on it.

[not fooled]

62. Including...

....dump hotels!!! Countdown to major terrorist attack on a dump-emblazoned property in 3, 2, 1...

[hlthe2b]

5. You know, I worry about the workers (and guests) of Trump branded hotels/properties

--especially overseas...

He has painted the largest of targets on them, and by extension, our troops who would have to respond to any "incidents"...

[Cryptoad]

9. First step to ,,,,,,,

the One World Government ~ the United States of Exon!

[Cryptoad]

7. End Times,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[branford]

8. Whether we like or it not,

Trump appears to intent on keeping his campaign promises.

Elections have consequences.

However, Palestinian violence in response to the move, particularly under an unsympathetic, pro-Israel, anti-UN and generally isolationist Trump administration, would be, at best, ill advised. Actual attacks against American targets would be even worse.

[Mosby]

23. Is the answer to give in to the threats?

West J'lem is part of Israel, and always will be, and the US already owns some land there for an embassy.

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=19941

[wordpix]

82. no the answer is to keep things calm---this move is totally unnecessary

and meant to say, "We're king on this block." There will be severe repercussions. Hide your draft-age children

[alarimer]

13. He's a monster

Is he trying to start WWIII?

[Achilleaze]

15. Kristo-KGOP destination: The Plains of Megiddo

[mwooldri]

16. US flagmakers in the middle east will be happy.

After all they got to have something to burn...

[jmowreader]

65. Naah dude...

...they'll have to buy them from the Chinese just like we do.

[IronLionZion]

17. He wants to provoke people to violence

and use it as an excuse for much worse things.

Or let Netanyahu off the leash to do the horrible things he dreams of doing.

My prediction is they might forcibly relocate the Palestinian people elsewhere in the Middle East and have a one state solution. It's going to suck, but with RW hardliners in office everywhere it will certainly change things dramatically and violently. We won't be having the status quo going on perpetually.

[Hekate]

49. Because forcible relocation always works so well. Thus are centuries-long hatreds passed down...

....intact from one generation to the next, along with granddad's sword and dad's rifle.

[IronLionZion]

64. Trump has no problem passing along hatred

But with RWers in power in the affected countries, it doesn't look like there's much hope for any peaceful plan.

[maryellen99]

18. Start prepping for Nuclear War folks nt

[elmac]

70. any nuke exchanges will happen in the middle east,

Europe or Asia. We will just be left with the never ending winter, radiation poisoned crops and tRumps tweets.

[SayItLoud]

20. Little DICK tator

Here we go folks.

[ProudLib72]

22. Next it will be

in the old city, maybe at the dome of the rock. Push, push, push. Try to get a reaction. There is no other reason for it.

[Scurrilous]

24. Israel approves settlement homes following Trump inauguration

<snip>

"Israel has approved hundreds of new settlement homes in occupied East Jerusalem, after the staunch pro-Israel US President Donald Trump took office.

Jerusalem Deputy Mayor Meir Turgeman told AFP: "Now we can finally build."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38711701

[Mosby]

30. Just ran across this

A largely forgotten landmark 2013 French court ruling has received renewed attention this week following the international diplomatic summit held in Paris last Sunday at which Israeli settlements were portrayed as illegal.

In an editorial published on Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal wrote, “The conference was a failure, but the conferees could have helped themselves by first checking what French courts have to say about those settlements before scoring Israel again…In 2013 the French Court of Appeals in Versailles ruled that, contrary to Palestinian arguments, Jewish settlements don’t violate the Geneva Conventions’ prohibition against an occupying power transferring ‘its civilian population into the territory it occupies.’ The law, the court held, bars government efforts to transfer populations. But it doesn’t bar private individuals settling in the disputed territories.”

A real court decision, not just some so called international law expert's opinion.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/01/19/following-paris-peace-summit-largely-forgotten-2013-french-court-ruling-that-israeli-settlements-are-legal-receives-renewed-attention/

[Violet_Crumble]

76. Apparently that's not true...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134134938#post2

[Mosby]

79. I think the legality was implied in the decision

But I don't read french.

From tich's link:

In its ruling, the court states that “France Palestine” was not allowed to bring an action for challenging the breach of the international rule in the case.

In addition the Court determined that Alstom, Alstom Transport SA and Veolia Transport was not responsible for breach of international rules, including human international rules or UN Global Compact, whilst performing their contract for the construction of the tramway of Jerusalem.

So the court is saying that building those transports in the WB does not violate international rules or UN global compact.

[Phoenix61]

28. Wonder when the draft will start?

[Hekate]

50. The all-volunteer military will wear out at some point, tho Dubya certainly introduced mercenaries

We used to scorn countries that had to hire their soldiers.

Anyway, as far as the draft goes, it would at least get the attention of all those Murkins who wave the flag and let someone else's kid go off to war, if it was their own kid who was at risk.

[dhill926]

58. yep...we were talking about the draft at the march yesterday....

sure got a generation off their ass in the 60's. No doubt it would happen again if the draft comes back....

[procon]

29. It would lead to the war the neocons have always wanted. nt

[Mosby]

31. What what country would we go to war with?

[procon]

35. Would it matter?

Can the US afford to go it alone and engage in another costly, insane war in the ME, especially over something so patently avoidable. Its a thoughtless decision, and outrageously offensive and insulting well beyond the counties and people of the ME, as well as clearly detrimental to our national security interests. We would never recover from such a foolish act, and whatever clout the US has would evaporate in under the withering condemnation of world leaders who will excoriate us because of Trump's stupidly, shortsighted and deliberate provocation.

[Mosby]

51. Why is it offensive and insulting? Seriously.

West J'lem is the capitol of Israel.

What's the thought process here, or are you and others just accepting Arab/Muslim bigotry as a fact of life?

It's a unilateral action, that's true but so was the PAs successful attempts to gain observer status and recognition from various UN agencies outside of the "peace process". The US asked them not to but they didn't care.

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/US-officially-asks-PA-to-abandon-UN-recognition-plan

Didn't see any worldwide riots about that.

[procon]

54. Your agenda is well known.

Keep your opinions if you must, but I'm more interested in safeguarding the future of this country.

[Sunlei]

32. a hell of an explosive "leak". surprised trumps admin is only hours old and already leaking plans.

[Vinca]

34. Well, that's sure to promote peace.

[NobodyHere]

90. The peace process was going so well too

[3_Limes]

36. Would anybody be willing to staff thiws embassy?

The security will set new standards for tightness, but there will be many, many young Muslims willing to martyr themselves to right the wrong they perceive is being done to the Faith.

[PatSeg]

41. That is an excellent point

How far ahead does this administration look?

[SteamAddict]

40. The first step in his Middle East peace plan?

Get ready for more war in the Middle East.

[underpants]

53. Brainiac Jared is our point person there

Or at least that was the plan

[FormerOstrich]

52. Someone should ask him (hahahahaha)

or one of his mouths how this fits into his "America" first and priority of jobs, border, blah blah blah, as outlined in the inauguration speech.

Maybe it is America first following other things first.

[Turbineguy]

55. Let's hope the republicans

don't cut their security funding.

[no_hypocrisy]

56. The question is will Congress allocate the funds

to first build a controversial (and unnecessary) compound and to transfer its operations from another city? We're still paying for the new embassy in Iraq.

[oberliner]

57. Turns out this is not actually true

WH is beginning discussions on pledge to move US embassy in Israel

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/22/politics/white-house-donald-trump-us-embassy-israel/index.html?sr=twCNN012217white-house-donald-trump-us-embassy-israel0655PMVODtopLink&linkId=33658767

The article says there are no plans for any such announcement.

[Fast Walker 52]

78. thanks-- they may be crazy, but they're not THAT crazy yet

[LanternWaste]

89. That will certainly be depressing to those who allowed us arguments

That will certainly be depressing to those who allowed us arguments in its favor three weeks ago.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

59. When the embassy gets attacked by suicide bombers...

It will be Trump's fault.

[Ron Obvious]

61. No, I think you'll find that it'll be the fault of the suicide bombers.

What's with all the anti-Arab/Muslim racism here that thinks Arabs are dangerous animals that can't be expected to control themselves?

[MFM008]

60. Monday he will

Do controversial shit to take back the attention lost to the womens march.
Change the subject again.

[jpak]

63. The Palestinians and Hezbollah will not stand for this

NOT GOOD

yup

[FBaggins]

86. They won't stand for it?

What form would that take? Suicide attacks on Israeli civilians perhaps?

How would we tell the difference between that and the current state of affairs?

[Nick Otean]

74. "according to unconfirmed reports"

Unconfirmed.

[HoneyBadger]

77. Which is more anti semetic?

Moving the embassy or opposing it? Any discussion that references Jerusalem is limited. The distinction is always West vs East. West is probably the location. And no one disputes West.

[Nitram]

85. Does this break no international agreements we've signed in the past?

[Drahthaardogs]

88. The Sanhedrin wants to build the third Temple

And Trump is going to help them do it. WWIII will follow

[agincourt]

91. a terrorist attack

would make him a more successful fascist, so this nothing surprising at all.