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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:36 AM Jan 2017

New Mississippi bill would strip accreditation from schools that don't fly state's Confederate...

Source: RawStory

New Mississippi bill would strip accreditation from schools that don't fly state's Confederate-themed flag

BRAD REED
27 JAN 2017 AT 10:26 ET

A proposed law in the Mississippi state legislature would strip accreditation from any school in the state that refuses to fly the states flag, which includes the Confederate stars-and-bars in its upper-left-hand corner.

The Mississippi Business Journal [link:http://msbusiness.com/2017/01/bill-make-schools-fly-mississippis-confederate-themed-flag/reports] that the bill, which is working its way through the Mississippi House of Representatives, is a broad initiative to get state schools to comply with all rules and regulations, including one that mandates all K-12 schools fly the state flag.

Schools in majority black neighborhoods including the Jackson school system, which is the second-largest in the state have often flaunted this particular rule because they see the flags Confederate imagery as a symbol of racism, the Business Journal notes.

Bill sponsor Mark Formby (R Picayune) explains that while the flag requirement is included in his bill, getting all schools to fly the flag isnt the legislations primary objective. Rather, he said, its to address complaints he regularly gets from constituents about schools not upholding state laws, including regulations on hiring and purchasing.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/new-mississippi-bill-would-strip-accreditation-from-schools-that-dont-fly-states-confederate-themed-flag/

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New Mississippi bill would strip accreditation from schools that don't fly state's Confederate... (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2017 OP
That's the repugs. Always working on the urgent issues, tackling the important problems. Mc Mike Jan 2017 #1
K&R for broader exposure uppityperson Jan 2017 #2
"Children, stand and face our flag of hate and treason......." rurallib Jan 2017 #3
Oh, good grief. classof56 Jan 2017 #4
Hands down unconstitutional. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #5
K&R. dchill Jan 2017 #6
The flag they respect keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #7
R Picayune? pinboy3niner Jan 2017 #8
The flag they burn keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #9
The lawsuits will begin immediately SansACause Jan 2017 #10
That state....... MyOwnPeace Jan 2017 #11
This is just sick! smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #12
The schools should fly it UPSIDE DOWN! csziggy Jan 2017 #13
Miss 37% Black??? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #14

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
5. Hands down unconstitutional.
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:04 PM
Jan 2017

Give me a few seconds....

Minersville School District v. Gobitis

Minersville School District v. Gobitis, 310 U.S. 586 (1940), was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the religious rights of public school students under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Court ruled that public schools could compel students—in this case, Jehovah's Witnesses—to salute the American Flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance despite the students' religious objections to these practices. This decision led to increased persecution of Witnesses in the United States. The Supreme Court overruled this decision a mere three years later, in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943), is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States holding that the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution protected students from being forced to salute the American flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance in school. The Court's 6–3 opinion, delivered by Justice Robert H. Jackson, is remembered for its forceful defense of free speech and constitutional rights generally as being placed "beyond the reach of majorities and officials."

It was a significant court victory won by Jehovah's Witnesses, whose religion forbade them from saluting or pledging to symbols, including symbols of political institutions. However, the Court did not address the effect the compelled salutation and recital ruling had upon their particular religious beliefs, but instead ruled that the state did not have the power to compel speech in that manner for anyone.

Barnette overruled a 1940 decision on the same issue, Minersville School District v. Gobitis (also involving the children of Jehovah's Witnesses), in which the Court stated that the proper recourse for dissent was to try to change the school policy democratically.

However, in overruling Gobitis the Court primarily relied on the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment rather than the Free Exercise Clause.
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[font size=1]Students pledging to the flag with the Bellamy salute, March 1941.[/font]

Majority opinion

Justice Robert Jackson, who had joined the court only two years earlier, wrote the decision, echoing the free-expression sentiments of Stromberg v. California.
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The last leg of Frankfurter's Gobitis opinion reasoned that matters like saluting the flag were issues of "school discipline" that are better left to local officials rather than federal judges. Justice Jackson rejected this argument as well:

The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.

If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.

SansACause

(520 posts)
10. The lawsuits will begin immediately
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jan 2017

There are three Historically Black Colleges & Universities (HBCUs) in Mississippi. No way in hell the state is going to force them to fly the confederate flag (which, BTW, is the ultimate participation trophy).

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
11. That state.......
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jan 2017

traditionally ranks at the bottom of evaluations of schools in the United States. Great to see they're gonna' take steps to "Make Mississippi Schools Great Again!"

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. This is just sick!
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jan 2017

What on earth is wrong with people! I can't believe what is happening in this country and how fast it is happening.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
13. The schools should fly it UPSIDE DOWN!
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jan 2017

Unless the law specifies that it should be flown right side up, that would meet the strict definition of the law but would be a protest against what that flag stands for.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
14. Miss 37% Black???
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 03:44 PM
Jan 2017

It just seems that something so offensive that there are enough black people to get that changed?

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