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highplainsdem

(48,976 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:50 AM Jan 2017

Department of Homeland Security vows to enforce Donald Trump's travel bans, despite court order

Last edited Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:01 AM - Edit history (2)

Source: Independent

Donald Trump's travel bans will continue to be enforced by the The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), despite a New York judge placing a temporary stay on it being executed.

-snip-

But the DHS said it would "continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people."

It said: "President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place - prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the US government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety."

White House officials also insisted there was nothing in the court order which impeded the executive order and it remained in full effect.

-snip-


Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-travel-bans-department-of-homeland-security-vows-enforce-court-order-a7551601.html



Editing to add this comment because I just read the full text of that DHS press release, which you can find here:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/29/department-homeland-security-response-recent-litigation

It's four paragraphs long, starting by saying they'll continue to enfore Trump's orders.

But the last, single-sentence paragraph does include four words that say they'll "comply with judicial orders."

As I've seen pointed out on Twitter, this is doublespeak, buried and contradicted by the rest of the statement.

The statement seems designed to confuse both DHS employees and the media.

Especially with WH officials saying that nothing in the court order impedes the executive order.

And if DHS employees themselves aren't sure what they're supposed to do, their actions will help the Trump Team find out which employees to view as loyalists, and which are apparently disloyal to the wannabe dictator.
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Department of Homeland Security vows to enforce Donald Trump's travel bans, despite court order (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2017 OP
Expect more of this. Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #1
The Judicial Branch of government has been cancelled by the dictator. democratisphere Jan 2017 #2
Who cares about a court order anyway? mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #3
IMPEACHMENT TIME! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #4
By whom? No republicans will do it. NT enough Jan 2017 #8
If he keeps this up, it only takes 40 House Reps and a few Senators Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #9
What if this is just ignored? Squinch Jan 2017 #5
I read otherwise, but that would mean the breakdown of the treestar Jan 2017 #6
We need to remind all government employees and the military that they Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #7
Safety? Security? What? ck4829 Jan 2017 #10
But...but... Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #14
How all dictators begin--ignore any court authority cally Jan 2017 #11
Me too. This stuff is scary as hell. LiberalLoner Jan 2017 #12
Maybe they will change their uniforms to brown shirts as justhanginon Jan 2017 #13
Brown shirts are only for nazis. We have the "red hats." Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #19
I have a little problem with the sourcing. malthaussen Jan 2017 #15
Fair Point... LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #17
Hope sc1line Jan 2017 #16
impeachable offense #746 paleotn Jan 2017 #18
This is very bad news. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2017 #20
Democrats in the senate need to now unite against all his nominees PERIOD!!! FreeStateDemocrat Jan 2017 #21
I think DHS is complying with both Trump and the court orders, OK, kind of progree Jan 2017 #22
Can one branch of the government sue another branch? mahina Jan 2017 #23
Good question, I don't know, am drawing a blank. Damn. n/t progree Jan 2017 #24
I don't have any idea where to start looking myself. mahina Jan 2017 #25
Congress was always suing marybourg Jan 2017 #26

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
1. Expect more of this.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jan 2017

Trump's administration, and the executive branch as a whole, will not follow any orders from the courts. It is just another step towards becoming a facist dictatorship.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
7. We need to remind all government employees and the military that they
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jan 2017

are not supposed to follow illegal orders! "I was just following orders" is not a defense to criminal actions!

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
14. But...but...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:42 AM
Jan 2017

they are brown people from Muslim nations! That automatically makes them a terrorist (unless they have multi-million dollar contracts with Trump then they are good people.)

cally

(21,593 posts)
11. How all dictators begin--ignore any court authority
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jan 2017

And claim the dictator makes all rules for national security.

I'm terrified!!!

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
13. Maybe they will change their uniforms to brown shirts as
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:38 AM
Jan 2017

they defy court orders under the supreme dictator. Beginning to seem like a rerun of a bygone and not so free era.

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
15. I have a little problem with the sourcing.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jan 2017

Organizations do not speak, people do. The article gives no attribution to a spokesman.

Later it quotes vague "white house officials." Which ones? The ones who mop the floors?

-- Mal

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
17. Fair Point...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jan 2017

Fear-Mongering Is HIGH At The Moment As It Makes Folks Nervous and Adds Page Clicks plus Shares. Let's see what is done first -- after the Court Order.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
21. Democrats in the senate need to now unite against all his nominees PERIOD!!!
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jan 2017

This is now class warfare and we need to know for whose side they are represent.

progree

(10,907 posts)
22. I think DHS is complying with both Trump and the court orders, OK, kind of
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 11:12 AM
Jan 2017
But the last, single-sentence paragraph does include four words that say they'll "comply with judicial orders."

As I've seen pointed out on Twitter, this is doublespeak, buried and contradicted by the rest of the statement.


I've seen 3 court orders -- Brooklyn, New York, Virginia, and Seattle Washington -- and all of them stop the deportations, but none of them say anything about the detentions. So as far as I know, the deportations have stopped, but the detentions continue, except as the DHS sees fit on a case-by-case basis -- there have been a few releases, but not as the result of any court order, no court order says anything about releases... that I've seen.

But it's certainly a step in the right direction.

And well, I haven't read Trump's executive order recently, but I assume it calls for sending people back to their home country (or deporting them if they don't return home voluntarily), so having them being detained rather than sent back is, like some headlines say, blocking PART of his order.
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