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Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:17 PM

 

Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia

Source: Business Insider

Trump Organization lawyer Michel Cohen hand-delivered a "peace" plan for Russia and Ukraine to former national security adviser Michael Flynn before Flynn was asked to resign, the New York Times reported on Sunday.

The plan, which involved lifting sanctions on Russia, was drafted by Cohen a close confidante of President Donald Trump who has served as his organization's special counsel since 2007 and Felix Sater, a Russian-American real estate developer who has helped the Trump Organization scout deals in Russia.

Sater, a businessman formerly linked with the Mafia who has boasted of his "relationship with Trump," told the Washington Post last May that he "handled all of the negotiations" for the Trump Organization's dealings in Russia in the mid-2000's.

Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii V. Artemenko, who met with Trump's campaign team during the election, was also involved in drafting the proposal. Artemenko told the Times he had evidence of Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko's corruption that could lead to his ouster.

Poroshenko has been locked in a war with pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine since he took power in 2014, and is considered more friendly to the West than his ousted predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych. Yanukovych's political rise was heavily aided by former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.

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A Big Shoe Just Dropped
I don't know how much attention it's received. But the appearance of the name of Felix Sater in this new article in the Times is one of the biggest shoes I've seen drop on the Trump story in some time.

The new story explains that a group of Trump operatives, including top lawyer Michael Cohen and fired former campaign manager Paul Manafort, along with a pro-Putin Ukrainian parliamentarian named Andrii V. Artemenko and Mr. Sater are pushing President Trump on a 'peace plan' for Russia and Ukraine.

Cohen recently met with Sater and Artemenko; and Cohen agreed to personally deliver the peace plan (actually a sealed envelope with documents detailing it) to the President when he met with him at the White House. Cohen says he left it with General Flynn days before Flynn was forced to resign.

The backstory to all this is amazingly byzantine and murky. Let me try to cover the key points as simply as I can.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped


A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates

A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.

Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the presidentís personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trumpís former campaign manager Paul Manafort.

At a time when Mr. Trumpís ties to Russia, and the people connected to him, are under heightened scrutiny ó with investigations by American intelligence agencies, the F.B.I. and Congress ó some of his associates remain willing and eager to wade into Russia-related efforts behind the scenes.

Mr. Trump has confounded Democrats and Republicans alike with his repeated praise for the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, and his desire to forge an American-Russian alliance. While there is nothing illegal about such unofficial efforts, a proposal that seems to tip toward Russian interests may set off alarms.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html

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Reply Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia (Original post)
Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 OP
keithbvadu2 Feb 2017 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #4
riversedge Feb 2017 #22
CousinIT Feb 2017 #2
groundloop Feb 2017 #8
KittyWampus Feb 2017 #3
BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #5
FailureToCommunicate Feb 2017 #20
Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #30
Leghorn21 Feb 2017 #6
Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #28
Stuart G Feb 2017 #7
Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #29
Squinch Feb 2017 #9
Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #16
Stuart G Feb 2017 #10
bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #11
Stuart G Feb 2017 #12
zentrum Feb 2017 #13
triron Feb 2017 #15
zentrum Feb 2017 #23
randome Feb 2017 #31
Kingofalldems Feb 2017 #14
Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #17
blitzen Feb 2017 #18
cstanleytech Feb 2017 #19
blitzen Feb 2017 #25
progree Feb 2017 #21
dawn frenzy adams Feb 2017 #24
Cha Feb 2017 #26
Achilleaze Feb 2017 #27
stuffmatters Feb 2017 #32
triron Feb 2017 #33
Zoider Feb 2017 #34
lagomorph777 Feb 2017 #35
Yavin4 Feb 2017 #36

Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:29 PM

1. "Trump Organization lawyer Michel Cohen" - Does he have a security clearance?

"Trump Organization" - not a gov't lawyer?

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:50 PM

4. The tRump organ needs a lawyer, lots of lawyers. Oh, and the Organization too. . . . nt

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:41 PM

22. He is the Trump 'Says Who" guy!!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:30 PM

2. Sater's Dad top underboss in Russian Mafia

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Response to CousinIT (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:52 PM

8. Oh My... this is getting juicy !!!!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:45 PM

3. as I posted yesterday after listening to Joy's show... Russian organized crime uses real estate

 

in the USA as a safe place to park and launder money. And Trump's real estate ties with these people means a potential way to get into his taxes.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:24 PM

20. +1

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:00 AM

30. Thanks! I edited and added to the OP

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:39 PM

6. And meanwhile, Louise Mensch is ripping Cohen a new one today re: his denial he was ever in

Prague (as per Steele Dossier)

(reload older pages to get to beginning of bloodletting!)

https://mobile.twitter.com/LouiseMensch?p=s

Madam, many apologies if I am out of line for posting this here -

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:24 AM

28. Yes she figured he wasn't in LA like he said he was! and that it'd be easy not to get passport stamp

 

Last edited Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Stamped in some localities/airports

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:46 PM

7. More information on this connection can be found here at a story in TPM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped

and also at this discussion about the TPM article..here in General Discussion Forum at Democratic Underground

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028679158

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:59 AM

29. Thanks! I edited and added to the OP

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:55 PM

9. Yeah, Madam! Here we go!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:44 PM

16. Yes! Here we go!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:03 PM

10. Therefore, if you combine the Business Insider Article, with

the New York Times article, with the Talking Points Memo article...you have the jackpot..lies and more lies from the Trump administration about the Russian Connection... and money and Sater, and Cohen. (Cohen being Trump's own lawyer)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped .

NYT article see post 5 in this thread by BumRushDaShow


that's all folks....

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:09 PM

11. Seems more than it appears

A private entity conducting diplomacy on behalf of the president-elect
and of the new administration

It's a mother lode

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:11 PM

12. Yep....a "mother lode"...and more coming tomorrow.

We will see....oh, probably more lies, and more info...but ...we will see...

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:13 PM

13. And this handing of

....the envelope happened when? I see no time frames.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:35 PM

15. yes could be of critical importance

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Response to triron (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:04 PM

23. Right.

I've read elsewhere that it was a week before he resigned. But certainly he's allowed to talk to Russia after Rump is President, right? Then he's just doing an aspect of his job. No illegalities.

I can't tell if this is another teapot tempest that goes nowhere.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:48 AM

31. It can seem like that from certain angles but I think this is going somewhere eventually.

 

Working back channels to lift sanctions is in itself unethical, to say the least, but there is apparently more, such as trying to swing the Ukrainian election to be more to Putin's liking. If Sater is compromised, he would have a hell of a lot of information to give out about his deal-making on Dolt45's behalf.

All of this, using more than one level of intermediary to hide the President's complicity, is becoming too unwieldy to sustain.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:50 PM

17. Trump's biographer David Cay Johnston had a lot to say about dear friend Felix Sater in the book

 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_Donald_Trump

"The Making of Donald Trump": David Cay Johnston on Trump's Ties to the Mob & Drug Traffickers

https://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/5/the_making_of_donald_trump_david

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:52 PM

18. HOLY CRAP this ought to be a screaming BREAKING NEWS banner on CNN MSNBC et al....but won't... n/t

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Response to blitzen (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:13 PM

19. Why should it? Unless evidence emerges to show this as being part of quid pro quo

that Trump made with Russia (though I would not be shocked if that turns out to be what happened here) for its help in his campaign there isnt anything illegal over the president trying to broker a peace deal.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:08 PM

25. it's not the legal case that bothers me...it's that outrage that trump inc. lawyers are setting...

foreign policy

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:25 PM

21. Tinkle Tinkle Little Czar...

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:36 PM

24. Trump and Putin Share Ties with the Post-USSR Kleptocracy



Also the man being interview in the video, James Henry, has written an article on Trump's financial ties to Russia. It is very much worth reading.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/19/the-curious-world-of-donald-trumps-private-russian-connections/

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 03:52 AM

26. Thank you for this, Madam!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:52 AM

27. the republican draft-dodger-in-chief owes America the truth

at least once in a freaking while.

the republicans should actually read & heed the Bible they "claim" to care about:



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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 04:01 PM

32. In Dec Trump said "couriers should be used instead of email for critical info."

critical =s secret

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 11:32 PM

33. Now he says he did not. Huh?? doublespeak

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 12:17 AM

34. Some "anonymous source" is pissed at Trump

 

Good.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 09:49 AM

35. Holy moly this is a size 13 shoe.

One by one, the pieces fall into place.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 09:52 AM

36. But, but, but, Hillary had emails....

It's all the same, right?

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