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Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:17 PM Feb 2017

Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia

Source: Business Insider

Trump Organization lawyer Michel Cohen hand-delivered a "peace" plan for Russia and Ukraine to former national security adviser Michael Flynn before Flynn was asked to resign, the New York Times reported on Sunday.

The plan, which involved lifting sanctions on Russia, was drafted by Cohen a close confidante of President Donald Trump who has served as his organization's special counsel since 2007 and Felix Sater, a Russian-American real estate developer who has helped the Trump Organization scout deals in Russia.

Sater, a businessman formerly linked with the Mafia who has boasted of his "relationship with Trump," told the Washington Post last May that he "handled all of the negotiations" for the Trump Organization's dealings in Russia in the mid-2000's.

Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii V. Artemenko, who met with Trump's campaign team during the election, was also involved in drafting the proposal. Artemenko told the Times he had evidence of Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko's corruption that could lead to his ouster.

Poroshenko has been locked in a war with pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine since he took power in 2014, and is considered more friendly to the West than his ousted predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych. Yanukovych's political rise was heavily aided by former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.

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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyer-delivered-michael-flynn-plan-to-lift-sanctions-on-russia-2017-2











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A Big Shoe Just Dropped
I don't know how much attention it's received. But the appearance of the name of Felix Sater in this new article in the Times is one of the biggest shoes I've seen drop on the Trump story in some time.

The new story explains that a group of Trump operatives, including top lawyer Michael Cohen and fired former campaign manager Paul Manafort, along with a pro-Putin Ukrainian parliamentarian named Andrii V. Artemenko and Mr. Sater are pushing President Trump on a 'peace plan' for Russia and Ukraine.

Cohen recently met with Sater and Artemenko; and Cohen agreed to personally deliver the peace plan (actually a sealed envelope with documents detailing it) to the President when he met with him at the White House. Cohen says he left it with General Flynn days before Flynn was forced to resign.

The backstory to all this is amazingly byzantine and murky. Let me try to cover the key points as simply as I can.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped


A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates

A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.

Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort.

At a time when Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia, and the people connected to him, are under heightened scrutiny — with investigations by American intelligence agencies, the F.B.I. and Congress — some of his associates remain willing and eager to wade into Russia-related efforts behind the scenes.

Mr. Trump has confounded Democrats and Republicans alike with his repeated praise for the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, and his desire to forge an American-Russian alliance. While there is nothing illegal about such unofficial efforts, a proposal that seems to tip toward Russian interests may set off alarms.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html
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Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia (Original Post) Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 OP
"Trump Organization lawyer Michel Cohen" - Does he have a security clearance? keithbvadu2 Feb 2017 #1
The tRump organ needs a lawyer, lots of lawyers. Oh, and the Organization too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #4
He is the Trump 'Says Who" guy!! riversedge Feb 2017 #22
Sater's Dad top underboss in Russian Mafia CousinIT Feb 2017 #2
Oh My... this is getting juicy !!!! groundloop Feb 2017 #8
as I posted yesterday after listening to Joy's show... Russian organized crime uses real estate KittyWampus Feb 2017 #3
Here is the NYT article BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #5
+1 FailureToCommunicate Feb 2017 #20
Thanks! I edited and added to the OP Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #30
And meanwhile, Louise Mensch is ripping Cohen a new one today re: his denial he was ever in Leghorn21 Feb 2017 #6
Yes she figured he wasn't in LA like he said he was! and that it'd be easy not to get passport stamp Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #28
More information on this connection can be found here at a story in TPM Stuart G Feb 2017 #7
Thanks! I edited and added to the OP Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #29
Yeah, Madam! Here we go! Squinch Feb 2017 #9
Yes! Here we go! Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #16
Therefore, if you combine the Business Insider Article, with Stuart G Feb 2017 #10
Seems more than it appears bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #11
Yep....a "mother lode"...and more coming tomorrow. Stuart G Feb 2017 #12
And this handing of zentrum Feb 2017 #13
yes could be of critical importance triron Feb 2017 #15
Right. zentrum Feb 2017 #23
It can seem like that from certain angles but I think this is going somewhere eventually. randome Feb 2017 #31
Felix did some jail time. Kingofalldems Feb 2017 #14
Trump's biographer David Cay Johnston had a lot to say about dear friend Felix Sater in the book Madam45for2923 Feb 2017 #17
HOLY CRAP this ought to be a screaming BREAKING NEWS banner on CNN MSNBC et al....but won't... n/t blitzen Feb 2017 #18
Why should it? Unless evidence emerges to show this as being part of quid pro quo cstanleytech Feb 2017 #19
it's not the legal case that bothers me...it's that outrage that trump inc. lawyers are setting... blitzen Feb 2017 #25
Tinkle Tinkle Little Czar... progree Feb 2017 #21
Trump and Putin Share Ties with the Post-USSR Kleptocracy dawn frenzy adams Feb 2017 #24
Thank you for this, Madam! Cha Feb 2017 #26
the republican draft-dodger-in-chief owes America the truth Achilleaze Feb 2017 #27
In Dec Trump said "couriers should be used instead of email for critical info." stuffmatters Feb 2017 #32
Now he says he did not. Huh?? doublespeak triron Feb 2017 #33
Some "anonymous source" is pissed at Trump Zoider Feb 2017 #34
Holy moly this is a size 13 shoe. lagomorph777 Feb 2017 #35
But, but, but, Hillary had emails.... Yavin4 Feb 2017 #36

keithbvadu2

(36,007 posts)
1. "Trump Organization lawyer Michel Cohen" - Does he have a security clearance?
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:29 PM
Feb 2017

"Trump Organization" - not a gov't lawyer?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
3. as I posted yesterday after listening to Joy's show... Russian organized crime uses real estate
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 05:45 PM
Feb 2017

in the USA as a safe place to park and launder money. And Trump's real estate ties with these people means a potential way to get into his taxes.

Leghorn21

(13,491 posts)
6. And meanwhile, Louise Mensch is ripping Cohen a new one today re: his denial he was ever in
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:39 PM
Feb 2017

Prague (as per Steele Dossier)

(reload older pages to get to beginning of bloodletting!)

https://mobile.twitter.com/LouiseMensch?p=s

Madam, many apologies if I am out of line for posting this here -

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
28. Yes she figured he wasn't in LA like he said he was! and that it'd be easy not to get passport stamp
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:24 AM
Feb 2017

Last edited Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Stamped in some localities/airports

Stuart G

(38,219 posts)
7. More information on this connection can be found here at a story in TPM
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:46 PM
Feb 2017
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped

and also at this discussion about the TPM article..here in General Discussion Forum at Democratic Underground

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028679158

Stuart G

(38,219 posts)
10. Therefore, if you combine the Business Insider Article, with
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:03 PM
Feb 2017

the New York Times article, with the Talking Points Memo article...you have the jackpot..lies and more lies from the Trump administration about the Russian Connection... and money and Sater, and Cohen. (Cohen being Trump's own lawyer)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-big-shoe-just-dropped .

NYT article see post 5 in this thread by BumRushDaShow


that's all folks....

bucolic_frolic

(42,073 posts)
11. Seems more than it appears
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:09 PM
Feb 2017

A private entity conducting diplomacy on behalf of the president-elect
and of the new administration

It's a mother lode

Stuart G

(38,219 posts)
12. Yep....a "mother lode"...and more coming tomorrow.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:11 PM
Feb 2017

We will see....oh, probably more lies, and more info...but ...we will see...

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
23. Right.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:04 PM
Feb 2017

I've read elsewhere that it was a week before he resigned. But certainly he's allowed to talk to Russia after Rump is President, right? Then he's just doing an aspect of his job. No illegalities.

I can't tell if this is another teapot tempest that goes nowhere.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
31. It can seem like that from certain angles but I think this is going somewhere eventually.
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:48 AM
Feb 2017

Working back channels to lift sanctions is in itself unethical, to say the least, but there is apparently more, such as trying to swing the Ukrainian election to be more to Putin's liking. If Sater is compromised, he would have a hell of a lot of information to give out about his deal-making on Dolt45's behalf.

All of this, using more than one level of intermediary to hide the President's complicity, is becoming too unwieldy to sustain.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
17. Trump's biographer David Cay Johnston had a lot to say about dear friend Felix Sater in the book
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 07:50 PM
Feb 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_Donald_Trump

"The Making of Donald Trump": David Cay Johnston on Trump's Ties to the Mob & Drug Traffickers

https://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/5/the_making_of_donald_trump_david

cstanleytech

(25,939 posts)
19. Why should it? Unless evidence emerges to show this as being part of quid pro quo
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:13 PM
Feb 2017

that Trump made with Russia (though I would not be shocked if that turns out to be what happened here) for its help in his campaign there isnt anything illegal over the president trying to broker a peace deal.

blitzen

(4,572 posts)
25. it's not the legal case that bothers me...it's that outrage that trump inc. lawyers are setting...
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 11:08 PM
Feb 2017

foreign policy

dawn frenzy adams

(429 posts)
24. Trump and Putin Share Ties with the Post-USSR Kleptocracy
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:36 PM
Feb 2017


Also the man being interview in the video, James Henry, has written an article on Trump's financial ties to Russia. It is very much worth reading.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/19/the-curious-world-of-donald-trumps-private-russian-connections/

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
27. the republican draft-dodger-in-chief owes America the truth
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 05:52 AM
Feb 2017

at least once in a freaking while.

the republicans should actually read & heed the Bible they "claim" to care about:



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