'Thats Not Acceptable': John Kasich on Republicans Who Want to Completely 'Get Rid' of Obamacare

[DonViejo]

Source: Mediaite


by Justin Baragona | 10:09 am, February 26th, 2017

During today’s broadcast of CBS’s Face the Nation, Ohio Governor and former Republican presidential candidate John Kasich discussed the conundrum Congressional Republicans are in when it comes to repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.

Speaking to host John Dickerson, Kasich explained that it is imperative that GOP members of Congress reach across the aisle to Democrats to get a health care plan that provides enough coverage for Americans.

“I mean there’s going to be a problem in the House of getting anything out of there that still provides coverage to people,” Kasich noted. “That’s why the Republicans have to reach out to some of the Democrats. I don’t know whether that’s going to happen.”

When Dickerson asked why that would be a problem and pressed Kasich to explain if further, the Ohio guv expanded on his thought. “Well because I think there are some very conservative Republicans in the House who are going to say just get rid of the whole thing,” he stated. “And that’s not acceptable when you have 20 million people, or 700,000 people in my state, because where do the mentally ill go? Where do the drug addicted go?”

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. And fuck any democrats who make themselves accomplices to this

fraud, when pukes finally come up with "their plan".

[Ms. Toad]

4. That's it. Kill my daughter, so you can stay pure.

If there are openings to work wtih Republicans to prevent millions of Americans from being deprived of access to health care, they better damn well walk through them. My daughter, and millions of other Americans, do not deserve to die for the sake of party purity.

[compsports]

5. Serious Question

As one who has Obamacare, what do you consider a valid opening? The reason I am asking is when I called my Senators and Reps about working with Republicans, it sounded like the compromises would have been worthless and if they had passed, would have been blamed on the Democrats.

I think what I am saying is I don't want to die either but at the same time, I don't want a horse bleep piece of legislation to be passed as a compromise that is worse than not passing anything.

[Ms. Toad]

8. First of all, not passing anything means we still have the ACA.

So I assume you are talking about repealing ACA and not passing anything else.

Second no compromise is worthless if the choice is between doing nothing and covering some more people.

COBRA is pretty crappy - but it was a step in the right direction. I prefer to have it (18 months of coverage at an exhorbitant rate), rather than have nothing.
HIPAA is similarly pretty crappy - but it was one more step in the right direction. I prefer to have it (forever coverage at an exhorbitant rate - as long as you were covered at some point through employment and did not create a gap in coverage) rather than nothing.
ACA is better - the biggest step in the right direction. I prefer it to having nothing.

But NONE of these plans are ideal or really provide affordable access to health care to everyone.

If the republicans are dead set on repealing ACA, they have the votes to do it - and, depending on how carefully they do it, we may be back to the status before COBRA.

There isn't any compromise that could be reached that is worse than nothing at all - except from a political standpoint. That's where the post I responded to was coming from (politics are more important than the lives lost by any compromise we could get), and that's where your senators and reps are coming from (their chances at re-election might be worse because compromising on something that is a step backwards is not a politically good move.

Screw politics. Stop focusing on whether it is a compromise. We need to acknowledge that they have the votes to totally destroy the ACA. Elections have consequences. In the face of the disastrous human carnage I expect to see over the next few years we need to salvage anything we can from it, because even if we only save a fraction of the lives that the ACA saves, that is more important than drawing a political line in the sand.

If they are pushing HSA accounts - work on including a reimbursement tax credit for anyone who fully funded their HSA but depleted it within the same year - perhaps one that is repaid by the taxpayer over 5 years BUT for any successive year in which the HSA is also depleted, that year's "repayment" is forgiven. That means that each individual would always have a full HSA and, if it truly is a once-in-a-blue-moon occurrence they have 5 years to catch up - and, if it happens repeatedly (either because of a chronic illness or becuase of two unexpectedly disastrous years), they don't keep getting deeper in the hole. (Fortunately, my daughter has a good health care plan - employer sponsored via the ACA - but on her own she racks up $40-$60,000 of billed health care/year, every year). A traditional HSA is worthless, since she could never fill it up. But an annual government refill that she has to repay only if she miraculously gets well (and no longer needs to draw down an HSA every single year) would be manageable.

If they want a tax credit for the purchase of insurance - make sure it is payable in advance (like the Advanced Earned Income Tax Credit). Make sure the size is adjusted annually to an amount equivalent to (off the top of my head) 90% of the average premium cost for a person similarly situated. Or 50%, or whatever we can get to make it better than nothing.

[OnDoutside]

13. It is an awful decision either way, how does a Democratic politician look one of the other 50% in

the eye, if they don't fight to the very last to save the ACA ?

If the Republicans have the numbers and can go ahead to kill ACA, then as long as Democrats fight every inch along the way, they will have done what they can, rather than throw their hands up and admit defeat before they even start. The reality is that killing the ACA will hurt Republican voters as well (I'd love to know the numbers), and rats like McConnell know this, otherwise it would already have been voted out.

The best thing Democrats (and those benefitting from ACA) can do is to create such a shitstorm that it will turn the Republicans into an even more despised sect, especially amongst their own voters.

For the Republican Senate and House seats up for re-election in 18 months time, it would be interesting to know how many ACA customers are in each district. If I were a Dem Superpac, I'd be drilling down on that information and targeting ads now, to get Republican ACA customers to realise it's them too, who will lose out.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

6. If you think these Pukes give 2 shits about your daughter or my dead brother (who

benefited greatly from the ACA) I got a fucking bridge to sell you. These psychopaths mean to destroy this law from top to bottom. While doing it. They'll enlist however many gullible Democrats they can find. So they can claim "bipartisanship".

Knowing these people. They'll turn around 2 years later and go "See what these Democrats did?!". This is who the fuck we're dealing with here. So I don't know where you've been the last couple of decades.

If in some fantasy scenario. These assholes manage to come up with a half way decent measure. That will help people like her and she can recover. Then I have no problem being proven wrong. But don't expect jack from these people. This has nothing to do with "purity".

[Ms. Toad]

7. I know they don't. That's why we have to.

Suggesting that no dem should participate is killing my daughter for the sake of party purity. NOT ACCEPTABLE, and yes, I meant to shout.

I've spent her entire lifetime fighting to make sure she can stay alive, and no one with an ounce of humanity should suggest that doing whatever is possible to give as many people access to health care as possible is more important than whose name is tagged to the failure.

I don't give a damn if they claim bipartisanship - if what is gained by Democratic participation serves more people than what they would craft on their own. People are more important than politics. Period.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

9. This isn't about "whatever is possible to give as many people access to health care as possible"

It just fucking ain't. You can shout 'til your blue in the face. That's not what these motherfuckers are about. It's about going back to the old status quo. Period.

And I've list enough people myself to give half a fuck about what some internet so and so thinks about My humanity.

[Ms. Toad]

10. I don't care what THEY are about. I care what WE are about - and about the people.

who will be hurt if Democrats sit on their thumbs and do nothing, in order to avoid being perceived to be cooperating wtih the Republicans.

Damn any democrat who puts political posturing ahead my daughter's life and the lives of others similarly situated.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

11. They're gonna do whatever the fuck they want. Delude yourself all you want. nt

[CanonRay]

2. Notice how the entire argument is on the right

we don't even had a voice any more. That has got to change.

[JaneQPublic]

3. HUFPO: Kasich Admits Protesters Are Affecting Obamacare Debate

Another take on the same interview.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kasich-obamacare-protesters_us_58b2dcb8e4b060480e08b507?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

WASHINGTON ― Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) implored congressional Republicans to change tack on an Obamacare repeal by cutting out conservatives and working with Democrats to preserve coverage for millions of Americans ― and he admitted that the raucous town halls across the country are influencing the debate.

...

“Look, I don’t understand everything that’s going on with these town halls, but ... I think it’s having an impact from the standpoint of ‘Hey, people are watching,’” Kasich said. “I don’t think they mind reform, but don’t take everything away.”

[roamer65]

12. Good God, Kasich is actually starting to making some sense.

[Mr. Ected]

14. The R's in Congress have spent so long defaming & demonizing the ACA for political brownie points

Now that they are tasked with bringing it down, they realize it was bad policy from day one.

Too bad their constituents have been so brainwashed, they'll never be able to convince them otherwise.

Lie to the people, pay the price.

[True Blue American]

16. The Worst Part

Is that many of those at Town Halls voted for Trump and Republicans.

Now,they realize it is their lives on the line,along with their families.

Fix what needs fixing.do not repeal!