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Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:46 PM

 

Third Senate Democrat announces support for Gorsuch

Source: CNN

Sen. Joe Donnelly announced Sunday that he will support the nomination of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
"After meeting with Judge Gorsuch, conducting a thorough review of his record, and closely following his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, I believe that he is a qualified jurist who will base his decisions on his understanding of the law and is well-respected among his peers," the Indiana Democrat said in a statement.
Donnelly is the third Senate Democrat to support Gorsuch, joining Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia.

CNN's whip list has 36 Democrats saying or suggesting they will filibuster Gorsuch's nomination. Another two Democrats say they'll oppose Gorsuch in the final confirmation vote, but it's unclear where they will stand on a potential filibuster.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/02/politics/donnelly-gorsuch-democrats/



I'm VERY disappointed in this from my Senator. I know he is up for re-election and Indiana went big for Trump. But still unconscionable, in my book.

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Reply Third Senate Democrat announces support for Gorsuch (Original post)
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 OP
nycbos Apr 2017 #1
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #2
elmac Apr 2017 #6
harun Apr 2017 #34
still_one Apr 2017 #20
AwakeAtLast Apr 2017 #21
Chasstev365 Apr 2017 #33
wordpix Apr 2017 #38
notdarkyet Apr 2017 #3
nycbos Apr 2017 #4
Me. Apr 2017 #8
nycbos Apr 2017 #10
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #32
LiberalLovinLug Apr 2017 #12
mvd Apr 2017 #7
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #31
TeamPooka Apr 2017 #5
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #9
TeamPooka Apr 2017 #14
old guy Apr 2017 #51
Chellee Apr 2017 #16
TeamPooka Apr 2017 #17
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #29
elmac Apr 2017 #11
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #23
n2doc Apr 2017 #13
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #28
hadEnuf Apr 2017 #15
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #18
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #26
hadEnuf Apr 2017 #46
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #50
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #27
INdemo Apr 2017 #19
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #25
wordpix Apr 2017 #43
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #47
turbinetree Apr 2017 #22
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #24
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #30
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #36
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #37
wordpix Apr 2017 #41
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #48
wordpix Apr 2017 #42
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #49
kooth Apr 2017 #35
oldcynic Apr 2017 #39
Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #44
oldcynic Apr 2017 #45
wordpix Apr 2017 #40

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:49 PM

1. Chill everybody

I think Schumer strategy is to give people like Donnolly cover by having them vote yes and having 41 votes to sustain a filibuster.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:52 PM

2. I am hoping that is the case

 

I wish Donnelly could vote no on the merits, but I'm sure he thinks it is too risky for re-election

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:05 PM

6. if its a house of cards thing so be it

 

but if any Dems make his nomination happen they won't even be able to get elected to dog catcher.

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Response to elmac (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:01 AM

34. Amen

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 07:36 PM

20. I think you are absolutely right ny

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:54 PM

21. I was hoping that this was the plan

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:29 AM

33. If the shoe was on the other foot, would any Republicans vote "for cover?"

 

It should be a united vote FOR Garland and AGAINST Trump and his looney, extremist pick Goursch!

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 01:03 PM

38. anyone watching Sen Judiciary Comm hearing now on CSPAN2?

Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar were stellar

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:52 PM

3. Boo. No money for you, but maybe a primary challenge.

Now is the wrong time to say "elections have consequences." So do bad votes, like yours. Dean said it, you will not get another penny from the dnc.

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Response to notdarkyet (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 03:58 PM

4. A primary is a stupid idea

A progressive can't win a primary in Indiana. He is still a million times better than a Republican

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Response to nycbos (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:08 PM

8. Not That Progressive

if he thinks putting Gorsuch on the court for life is just fine.

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Response to Me. (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:12 PM

10. I never said he was a progressive.

He is the best you can do on Indiana though. He is still a million times better than a Republican

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Response to nycbos (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:34 AM

32. That is correct.

All this talk of a primary is foolish. We need to take back the Senate...at the very least keep what we have. We are vulnerable in 18. And if we use Trump's unpopularity against him and we manage to take the Senate...we can shut down his court picks for the next two years. An illegitimate president doesn't deserve SCOTUS picks and at the first opportunity we need to stop him. Since Gorsuch will be approved one way or the other. We don't have the votes to stop him. I see no point in risking any red state Democratic senator.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:17 PM

12. If we can't stand up against a POS like Trump now, who or when can we?

He has the lowest approval in presidential history.

While Sanders and Warren, along with their message of the unfairness of the policy direction of the Trumpublicans is still very popular. That message can reverberate and leap frog over Republican politicians to the average moderate conservative. All they need is to properly explain how Republicans are taking away so much from them. Healthcare insurance loss, internet privacy loss, public parks protections loss, air and water protections loss, redistribution of wealth from the less well off to the very wealthy...

I just think we sometimes underestimate how a shift can take place, so we give up completely. Dean's 50 state strategy was working, but DWS dismantled that and had then overseen a record collapse of Democratic representation at all levels by her cowardice.

The iron is hot.

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Response to notdarkyet (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:07 PM

7. I agree

We don't send the right message by giving in. Red or blue state, I do not care. How could he think someone bred by the Federalist Society could be independent? How could he vote for someone who rules against our values almost every time? You see the progressive Buttigieg won in Indiana. Instead of not deviating too much from the Republican side, how about trying to teach them a different message? I am not willing to concede our principles anywhere.

A primary depends on who is available. We still need to keep the numbers.

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Response to mvd (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:31 AM

31. The GOP is going to put in justices with conservative views...and we normally

put in justices with liberal views...Merrick Garland was a compromise and an attempt to get the GOP to vote for him. It didn't work. So the process has been turned on its head...and I am bitter and angry about it. However, primarying a red state Democrat always leads to a Republican taking his seat. We can't afford that. So the Dems in the Senate who face re-election can vote as they need to especially in a situation where we can't stop Gorsuch. He will get in. It is just a matter of if they use the nuclear option or not. No point in throwing yourself on your sword when you can't win. Not only do we need to win in 18 but we have to at a minimum keep what we have in the Senate...imagine a Senate where the GOP has 60 votes. Keep focused on what is important...taking back the Senate and/or the House. Consider if we take the Senate, we can stop Donnie's SCOTUS picks for the rest of his term. Consider we need to have strategy that helps us take Congress back...and as for why he won't get votes bah blah...maybe so...however, he won't lose votes unless Democrats are very foolish and don't vote for him. We have to play the long game. We will never have a majority without a big tent. Personally I want to win.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:05 PM

5. I see stuff like this from Democrats and I think to myself: "Strike 1" If any of them get to 3

strikes there should be a primary.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:08 PM

9. good way to look at it... Donnelly is a blue dog but better than

 

Manchin or Heidkamp, for sure.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 05:21 PM

14. If the only times you vote against the party are the most important issues then consideration

must be given.
I don't need you on our side to name a post office.
I need you for the big fights that define our values.
If you are never there for me/us at those important times then I have to wonder who you really are.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 5, 2017, 10:32 AM

51. Well said.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 06:08 PM

16. Well, if Gorsuch strike one for Donnelly...

then you should probably know about KXL:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/01/29/turning-back-american-people-us-senate-votes-approve-keystone-xl-pipeline

He also has an abysmal record regarding abortion rights, Planned Parenthood funding, and women's rights. Additionally, he voted for Rex "Official Friend of Putin" Tillerson for SOS.

So we are already in primary territory. Others will say, "It's Indiana, this is the best you can do!" I say I'm sick and tired of having to choose between the guy who's going to screw me 100% of the time and the guy who's going to screw me only when it really matters. Maybe the reason so many people stay home is because they think it doesn't matter, they get screwed either way.

I don't see how he thinks this is going to save him anyway. There is literally not even ONE Republican in the state of Indiana that will cross the aisle for Donnelly. The person he needs to please is me. I'm his base.

I'm not pleased.

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Response to Chellee (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 06:13 PM

17. my post #14 in this thread stands.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:20 AM

29. Not in a red state. We were lucky to get that state to begin with...so

no...he is a reliable vote for health care that alone makes him important.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:12 PM

11. any votes siding with the fascists is going to hurt the party

 

even if its a carefully laid plan. Not sticking together 100% shows weakness, I hope its worth it. Dem lite never works, even in the red states, and if the fascists nuke then that is their mistake, not ours.

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Response to elmac (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 06:51 AM

23. I agree... what people like Donnelly always seem to forget is how much things like this turn off

 

their base from voting for him.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 04:46 PM

13. Fool

"base his decisions on his understanding of the law and is well-respected among his peers" Oh boy, what a no-content reason to vote for him. It is clear 'his understanding of the law' Is that corporations and the rich have special privileges and the hell with putting safety of liberty first if it costs a corporation even one thin dime. And there are plenty of his fellow jurists who have thought his decisions sucked.

The fact is, no repub voter will vote for him based on this vote. He could vote 100% along with trump and they still won't vote for him. Indies and dems are the reason he is in office.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:16 AM

28. He is a sitting senator so someone obviously voted for him.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 05:33 PM

15. 3 words: Primary his ass.

Who cares if he's "better than a Republican"? He's acting like a Republican.

Start making some of these turncoats pay a price for their actions.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 06:36 PM

18. yeah... that would be interesting... I wonder if anyone with enough profile here would do it

 

I tend to doubt it, but it should be interesting

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:13 AM

26. Why would you suggest we should primary a Democrat in a red state and

then get a Republican. That is a bad idea...especially now...if we are not careful they could take a majority in 18. Many Dems defending seats.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:05 PM

46. We either make a stand or not.

Dems caving to Republicans after what they have done and are planning to do is simply not acceptable anymore.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 5, 2017, 10:26 AM

50. Really...so you think making a stand and knowing you will lose and probably keep minority status in

the Senate is worth it? No, winning is not everything in this case, it is the only thing...we will have to run candidates in red states that can win...middle of the road candidates...it is the only way to regain the majority. And they will not always vote with us. Many people who post this sort of thing think people in those states agree with you; they don't. You have to consider the electoral reality that exists in a red or moderate state and choose candidates accordingly. I have no doubt that red state Dems were allowed to vote for Gorsuch...because this is a nothing vote...symbolic only. Gorsuch will get in. And there is no point in risking our chance to take back the Senate because then we can stop all the GOP SCOTUS nominees.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:15 AM

27. Welcome to DU and no we prefer to try for a majority.

Dems will never be in control without a big tent 50 state strategy, and while that approach won't net you everything you want...you will get some and you will prevent the GOP from dismantling the government.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 07:04 PM

19. You may be disappointed but Joe Donnelly is a moderate consevative Democrat

 

He voted with 11 other Democrats to stop prescription drugs from being imported from Canada, but the $270,000 campaign money from Drug Companies might have swayed his vote...so I assumed he would vote for Judge Gorsuch

So much for a filibuster...

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Response to INdemo (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:11 AM

25. From what I hear they still have enough Dems to filibuster.

A smart party leader...doesn't let those who might be hurt by voting for something...with an election coming walk the plank. I think they have the votes.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:39 PM

43. next, get some Rs on our side. Graham? McCain? + 3 Ds

NO to SCOTUS RWnuts who support Citizens United & won't answer q's

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Response to wordpix (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:34 AM

47. That won't happen...both McCain and Graham support conservative judges.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:12 PM

22. There is a old saying

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:09 AM

24. It is likely they have the votes.

Red state voters can vote with the GOP...their job is to keep their seat...so we have a shot at the Senate and we stop the GOP from taking the Senate to 60.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:29 AM

30. I certainly hope so

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:23 PM

36. I just read they have 41.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 12:51 PM

37. woohoo!!!

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:35 PM

41. NO to handing all 3 branches of gov to DT-GOP & NO to dark $ million$

That should be the message to anyone voting for Gorsuch, depending on who your senator is

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Response to wordpix (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:35 AM

48. It won't...Republicans will vote for Republicans and that is a fact.

They won't cross party lines and vote against Gorsuch who is actually the same as most of them.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:36 PM

42. flood R offices: NO TO DARK MONEY SCOTUS CANDIDATES

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Response to wordpix (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 5, 2017, 10:21 AM

49. Do you really think this is an issue the GOP cares about?

Instead, keep up the pressure on the ACA.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:27 AM

35. I just emailed them ...

I gave them a piece of my mind, not that I had much to spare, but at least I vented.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:25 PM

39. How about a little party 'cleansing'

Why not toss dixiecrats out of the party and run someone else? Dixiecrats are politicians, formerly southerners, who hide under the rubric of the Democratic Party while enriching themselves and Republicans. We cosset them in case they might, maybe, one day help Democrats over some issue if properly bribed. Why can't the party get rid of them and run somebody else?

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Response to oldcynic (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 05:58 PM

44. problem is Indiana is fairly conservative, Trump won big there

 

Not clear a more liberal candidate would win.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 06:12 PM

45. Remember that guy with his arm trapped under a rock?

It was cut it off or die. He cut it off. He lived long and prospered. (at least for purposes of my argument)

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 03:31 PM

40. tweet/email/phone go to town hall mtings, local/DC offices

It's very important to not confirm Gorsuch

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