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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:13 AM Apr 2017

Trump blames Obama for allowing MS-13 gang to form in America

Source: Politico




By POLITICO STAFF 04/18/17 07:06 AM EDT

President Donald Trump on Tuesday criticized his predecessor for being “weak” on illegal immigration and blamed him, without evidence, for allowing the violent MS-13 gang to form in America.

“The weak illegal immigration policies of the Obama Admin. allowed bad MS 13 gangs to form in cities across U.S. We are removing them fast!” the president said on Twitter at about 5:40 a.m.

The MS-13 gang, which is based in Central America, was formed by Salvadorans fleeing that country’s civil war in the 1980s. The FBI recognized that the gang was a growing threat in the early 2000s — before former President Barack Obama was elected — and in 2004 created a task force “to investigate this violent international street gang,” according to the FBI. In 2008, the FBI stated that MS-13 had expanded to at least 42 states and D.C.

During an interview with “Fox and Friends” co-anchor Ainsley Earhardt that aired Tuesday, Trump said his administration has already kicked out dangerous illegal immigrants who were in this country. He didn’t specify MS-13 gang members. “I'm talking about illegal immigrants that were here that caused tremendous crime that have murdered people, raped people; horrible things have happened. They are getting the hell out, or they are going to prison,” he says. “It is a serious problem and we never did anything about it, and now we're doing something about it.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-obama-ms-13-gang-237319

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Trump blames Obama for allowing MS-13 gang to form in America (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2017 OP
Fuck tRump! SCVDem Apr 2017 #1
That man will try and set fire to the drapes as they pull him from our WH SticksnStones Apr 2017 #2
This gang has nothing to do with illegal immigration.... Historic NY Apr 2017 #3
That stupid assed idiot will say anything to appease his lame followers. Lying is easy for him. Left-over Apr 2017 #4
MS-13 has been around since Shrub. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #5
been around since the 80s actually eShirl Apr 2017 #10
Thanks. Point taken. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #22
And Trump's plan is what exactly? IronLionZion Apr 2017 #6
Italians in the south... Grins Apr 2017 #14
Southerners tried to make America great again by killing 11 Italians in 1891 IronLionZion Apr 2017 #18
Italians were not thought of as being white burnbaby Apr 2017 #23
It's the same nonsense with subsequent waves of immigrants IronLionZion Apr 2017 #33
Jesus the mafia thing burnbaby Apr 2017 #37
Thanks. I was completely unaware of that. underpants Apr 2017 #27
What a petulant child Dopers_Greed Apr 2017 #7
Remind me again....? Grins Apr 2017 #8
A Civil War that Reagan has his fingerprints all over. Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #34
give me a fucking break barbtries Apr 2017 #9
These two don't look like Salvadorans..... Historic NY Apr 2017 #11
Trump can't accomplish anything on his own, total failure, so he strikes out at others to deflect RKP5637 Apr 2017 #12
as always, the orange menace is a grossly uninformed moron. Javaman Apr 2017 #13
MS13 doesn't need to come up to the US anymore. haele Apr 2017 #15
This is what happens when someone is too fucking lazy to get their chelsea0011 Apr 2017 #16
Maybe he'll have another 10 minute conversation with some underpants Apr 2017 #29
But now millions of his of his followers will repeat this as if it's based in reality xor Apr 2017 #41
Alternative facts Freethinker65 Apr 2017 #17
So Drumpf is going to deport MS13??? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2017 #19
Blame every president back to Nixon and the "War on Drugs" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Apr 2017 #20
Every single thing he says is wrong. DK504 Apr 2017 #21
Try Reagan, you rancid sack of shit. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2017 #24
Blah blah blah not fooled Apr 2017 #25
there he goes blaming O for everything onetexan Apr 2017 #26
Trump is a vile demagogue and a patholgical liar Martin Eden Apr 2017 #28
El Presidente Loco sarcasmo Apr 2017 #30
More lies from the breathing garbage pile dalton99a Apr 2017 #31
They just killed 4 youngsters near me last week HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #32
How does this relate to the OP? Are you saying Trump is right? Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #38
MS 13 has been in NC and Texas long before Obama's BlackCherokee Apr 2017 #35
welcome to DU...you can stay sane here at least. samnsara Apr 2017 #43
The MS-13 and other Salvadoran gangs . . FairWinds Apr 2017 #36
Facts don't matter BHDem53 Apr 2017 #39
I remember MS-13 being a thing when I was in middle and high school back in the 90's... xor Apr 2017 #40
Trump Blames Obama for MS-13s Growth, but the Gangs Roots Are Older Judi Lynn Apr 2017 #42
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
1. Fuck tRump!
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:17 AM
Apr 2017

I am tired of waking each day to see what this baby has left in his diaper and smeared on the walls!

Fuck him and his finger pointing.

Release your taxes and await impeachment!

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
3. This gang has nothing to do with illegal immigration....
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:25 AM
Apr 2017

its been here for decades, and now comprises various racial elements outside the Hispanic communities. Its an international criminal cartel. There are lots of gangs affiliated with cartels, something Trump should understand since he's involved with the Russian cartels that wear suits and yeild illegal international loans.

no_hypocrisy

(46,088 posts)
5. MS-13 has been around since Shrub.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:30 AM
Apr 2017

I remember reading an expose in Time Magazine in the early 2000's about them.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
6. And Trump's plan is what exactly?
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:31 AM
Apr 2017

Punish and get rid of anyone whose tan is darker than orange, just in case some of them might be gang members.

CBP recently detained and harassed a Mexican-American US citizen (Flying United of course) on suspicion of human trafficking his own biological daughter because she's half white.

Trump's people are aggressively promoting the idea that brown people are coming to kill or rape you. As criminals or as terrorists. Be afraid.



Most Americans don't know the largest mass lynching in US history was against Italians. There was a time when they thought Italians and Irish were dangerous criminals coming to kill you. We should throw out Sean Spicer, Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway, Paul Ryan, and Mike Pence just in case until we can figure this all out. And any Italian Republican too. Like Giuliani.

Germans might be nationalist genocidal mass murderers so let's throw out Drumpf and his family just in case. America went to war against Germany before. We can't trust those people.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
14. Italians in the south...
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 10:01 AM
Apr 2017
"Most Americans don't know the largest mass lynching in US history was against Italians."

I'll take your word for that, but I do remember reading John Berry's 1997 great book on the great flood of 1927, "Rising Tide" (a terrific book, btw, about a flood that changed the American philosophy of government and political landscape (i.e., on one end Herbert Hoover; on the other, Huey Long). One section dealt with Italian immigrants in the south where they were welcome because they would work, but hated because they were foreign, spoke little English, were a darker complexion and, the worst - were Catholic! Berry relates many were lynched, and many moved to northern states. MOST went back to Italy.

After being brought up in New Jersey where there were plenty of Italian-Americans, I now live in Fairfax County Virginia outside of Washington, DC. Remembering that fact from Berry's book a couple years ago, I tried to think of all the Italian-Americans I now know as neighbors, co-workers, etc. I came up with two families. Two. There has to be more, but still....?
 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
23. Italians were not thought of as being white
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:24 PM
Apr 2017

by lots of non Italians. I remember being a teenager and my father bought a summer house. I made a girl friend there and as we were walking the beach she told me her father hated my family. Said there was no difference between Italians and blacks and we should not have been allowed to buy our cottage because black people should not be on the ocean.

Then there was the good old name calling, wop, grease ball, and of course my favorite Guinea Negro

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
33. It's the same nonsense with subsequent waves of immigrants
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:14 PM
Apr 2017

Lately it's brown people. I'm repeatedly told that being born in America doesn't make me American.

And I share these stories with people who are of Italian or Irish heritage when they say something about refugees coming to kill us. People have always thought some new type of immigrant was coming to kill us. I bet Native Americans told each other to watch out for those pale faced folks coming on boats to kill them. And in that case, they were right.

The oddest argument I got from an Italian Republican lately was that some of the stories about Italians were true and people were right to be worried about organized criminals terrorizing innocent people. As if that justifies the racism. Mafia doesn't represent Italians any more than MS-13 represents Latinos.

 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
37. Jesus the mafia thing
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:47 PM
Apr 2017

God for years that's all I would hear. That's why I am very protective of other nationalities and religions when they get stereotyped

Grins

(7,217 posts)
8. Remind me again....?
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:43 AM
Apr 2017

Who was president in the 1980's when MS-13 was "formed by Salvadorans fleeing that country’s civil war...."?

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
12. Trump can't accomplish anything on his own, total failure, so he strikes out at others to deflect
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:49 AM
Apr 2017

attention from his own failures.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
13. as always, the orange menace is a grossly uninformed moron.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 09:58 AM
Apr 2017

MS-13 History

The Mara Salvatrucha gang originated in Los Angeles, set up in the 1980s by Salvadoran immigrants in the city's Pico-Union neighborhood who immigrated to the United States after the Central American civil wars of the 1980s.[10]

>snip<

In recent years the gang has expanded into the Washington, D.C. area, in particular the areas of Langley Park and Takoma Park, Maryland, have become centers of MS gang activity.[15]

In 2004, the US FBI started the MS-13 National Gang Task Force. The FBI also began teaming with law enforcement in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico.[16]

In 2005, the office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement started Operation Community Shield. By 2011, this operation had made over 20,000 arrests, including more than 3,000 arrests of alleged MS-13 members.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13#History

haele

(12,650 posts)
15. MS13 doesn't need to come up to the US anymore.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 10:02 AM
Apr 2017

They've been around in the US since 1985 or so (Thanks "War on Drugs&quot . At this point in time, their presence in the US is based on native born citizen franchises.
Not undocumented immigrants.


Haele

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
16. This is what happens when someone is too fucking lazy to get their
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 10:02 AM
Apr 2017

facts straight with some simple research (2 minutes on the internet) before tweeting out bull shit. What an ass for president.

underpants

(182,788 posts)
29. Maybe he'll have another 10 minute conversation with some
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:52 PM
Apr 2017

Like the Chinese leader Xi who explained the China-Korea story to him OR the Boeing CEO who explained the Export-Import bank to him.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
21. Every single thing he says is wrong.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

" Trump said his administration has already kicked out dangerous illegal immigrants who were in this country. "

Right, all those dangerous moms walking thier kids from school. Those moms taking care of a critically ill child. Wow. They really scare me.

If he is deporting all those "bad Hombres" he would have a press conference every damn day.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
25. Blah blah blah
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:26 PM
Apr 2017

Another day, another lie from the orange abomination. The only thing he seems to expend himself over is cooking up ways to try to smear President Obama. Only the most dimwitted don't see through his pathetic machinations.

onetexan

(13,040 posts)
26. there he goes blaming O for everything
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 12:28 PM
Apr 2017

Obama is an easy target in that he's not fighting back. Orange Jackass knows it's the sure way to get his racist ilk to believe the crap he says because they hate Obama.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
32. They just killed 4 youngsters near me last week
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:13 PM
Apr 2017

Apparently more acting out or hazing than anything related to organized crime as the dead were not gang affiliated. They started attacking with machetes if reports are to be believed. 4 dead, and pretty much a non story. The locals are treating it as a neighborhood issue. Very strange behavior.



http://pix11.com/2017/04/14/names-released-of-4-males-found-dead-in-long-island-park/

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
38. How does this relate to the OP? Are you saying Trump is right?
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:31 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:08 PM - Edit history (1)

The odds that those gang bangers are US citizens, and their presence in the tri-state area precedes Obama by a number of years.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
36. The MS-13 and other Salvadoran gangs . .
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:37 PM
Apr 2017

were substantially created by Ron Reagan's evil Central American

policies in the 1980's. They intended to create social chaos and

destabilize the left with assassinations, torture, and waves of refugees,

and that is what they did.

Prior to the 1980's there was no major gang activity in El Salvador.

BHDem53

(1,061 posts)
39. Facts don't matter
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 06:07 PM
Apr 2017

to this idiot. I'm convinced that he has lost the ability to read if in fact he ever possessed it. When am I gonna wake up from this nightmare?

xor

(1,204 posts)
40. I remember MS-13 being a thing when I was in middle and high school back in the 90's...
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 06:18 PM
Apr 2017

What a dolt. Of course his cult following will eat it up and take it as fact. I suspect I'll eventually hear someone saying that Obama is the founder of ISIS and MS-13....

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
42. Trump Blames Obama for MS-13s Growth, but the Gangs Roots Are Older
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 06:40 PM
Apr 2017

Trump Blames Obama for MS-13’s Growth, but the Gang’s Roots Are Older
by ERIK ORTIZ


The Trump administration on Tuesday singled out MS-13 — an infamous street gang tied to Central America with a reputation for brutality — as "one of the gravest threats to American safety."

How did it gain such prominence? In an earlier tweet, President Donald Trump blamed the Obama administration's "weak illegal immigration policies" for allowing the gang to make inroads in cities across the United States. He later praised Jeff Sessions after the attorney general met with law enforcement officials and pledged the federal government would be more aggressive against MS-13.

While the number of members in the U.S. is murky, the FBI estimates 6,000 in recent years and 30,000 internationally. At least 46 states and Washington, D.C., have reported the infiltration of their "cliques" — typically linked to drug trafficking, low-level extortion, rape and in extreme instances, murder, including a grisly quadruple homicide on Long Island, New York, last week.

. . .

Born in the U.S.A.

The gang first took root in Los Angeles in either the late 1970s or early 1980s, gaining a foothold amid the Reagan administration, said Ioan Grillo, a Mexican-based journalist and author of "Gangster Warlords."

More:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-blames-obama-ms-13-s-growth-gang-s-roots-n747826

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