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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 03:38 PM Jun 2017

Juror hauled off to jail during trial of minister who led beatdown of a gay teen

Source: Associated Press



By MITCH WEISS & HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press · Tuesday, June 6, 2017

A judge held a juror in contempt and declared a mistrial Tuesday in the case of a North Carolina church minister charged in the beating a congregant who says he was attacked to expel his “homosexual demons.”

Superior Court Judge Gary Gavenus immediately sentenced the juror, Terry Shade Jr., to 30 days in jail and a $500 fine. Gavenus said the juror brought in three documents, including one related to North Carolina law, but it wasn’t the right law pertaining to the charges in the case. Gavenus said he had warned the jurors not to bring in outside material.

“You are under arrest,” Gavenus said. “Get him out of here.”

Brooke Covington, 58, a longtime minister at Word of Faith Fellowship in Spindale, North Carolina, faced up to two years in prison if convicted on charges of kidnapping and assaulting former member Matthew Fenner in January 2013. Covington was the first of five church members to face trial in the case. Each defendant will be tried separately. Covington’s trial began May 30. It was not immediately clear when a new trial would take place. The judge ordered everyone involved in the case not to talk to reporters.

Read more: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/juror-hauled-off-jail-trial-minister-led-beatdown-gay-teen/

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Juror hauled off to jail during trial of minister who led beatdown of a gay teen (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2017 OP
Didn't say what the documents were or what the other nut was up to. Ligyron Jun 2017 #1
For some, religion is a tonic, to soothe and to calm. Raster Jun 2017 #2
More the later than the former historically. Ligyron Jun 2017 #3
Yes indeed gilbert sullivan Jun 2017 #5
It's all in the mind(set). Marcuse Jun 2017 #13
Poison? summer_in_TX Jun 2017 #14
All those positive things you mention could and can be accomplished Ligyron Jun 2017 #19
You are, of course, correct TomSlick Jun 2017 #20
" My question still wants an answer: Are Democrats who are people of faith welcome on DU?" Ligyron Jun 2017 #22
Thanks TomSlick Jun 2017 #24
I swear there's some chemical toxin defacto7 Jun 2017 #4
Son of juror in mistrial: Dad made mistake with documents Judi Lynn Jun 2017 #6
I can see kicking the juror off the panel hamsterjill Jun 2017 #7
The juror deliberately ignored the judge's specific instructions. yardwork Jun 2017 #8
I can see someone not wanting to serve because they might go to jail, too. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #9
Just follow jury instructions from the judge. christx30 Jun 2017 #23
I didn't know he could be sentenced just like that Bradical79 Jun 2017 #12
Nope, that was clear and specific contempt of court. politicat Jun 2017 #11
These are important & excellent suggestions, politicat. appal_jack Jun 2017 #16
and a better social safety net treestar Jun 2017 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #18
Come on Guys TomSlick Jun 2017 #10
Examples please. Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #15
See above TomSlick Jun 2017 #21

Raster

(20,998 posts)
2. For some, religion is a tonic, to soothe and to calm.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Wed Jun 7, 2017, 07:57 PM - Edit history (2)

For others, religion is a weapon and an instrument of manipulation and even destruction.

There are no gods, there are no demons.
There is no heaven and there is no hell.
There is only our real and natural world all around us.
Religion is myth and superstition.
Religion hardens hearts and enslaves minds.

 

gilbert sullivan

(192 posts)
5. Yes indeed
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jun 2017

We have learned more about our universe and how and why it operates in the last half century
or so than in all of previous human history.

This is why we no longer need to invent imaginary, magical, supernatural 'gods' to explain thunder, disease, planetary motion, speciation, chemical reactions, etc.

Hundreds of religious belief systems have gone down the toilet of history and the remaining ones are circling the bowl as we speak. Intelligent educated people understand this.

As Neil deGrasse Tyson so elegantly put it, "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that is getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time goes on".

The good news is that someday we will finally resolve the old question of whether religion is the cause...or the result...of insanity; then we can work on a cure for both.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
14. Poison?
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:39 PM
Jun 2017

Martin Luther King Jr. was motivated and empowered by his faith. Many passages throughout the Old and New Testament were the source of his passionate advocacy for justice and for the poor, as well as the theology that informed his opposition to the Vietnam War.

There are certainly toxic distortions of various religions. Bad theology distorts the teachings in significant ways that flatly contradict scripture. There's been a huge uptick in fundamentalism in all of the main religions. But that blanket statement ignores many instances throughout history of positive theology as well.

Positive theology motivates those with it to work for healing, for justice, better working conditions, environmental protections, to build hospitals, help the poor, visit prisoners, and to pass laws that establish a safety net – and more. During the Great Depression, clergy pushed for the government to provide help to those without work and starving. Their advocacy and work laid the groundwork for FDR to push for passage of the Civilian Conservation Corps and the Public Works Administration, etc.


Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
19. All those positive things you mention could and can be accomplished
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jun 2017

without resorting to the supernatural. I won't even get started with all the bad that's come out of it.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
20. You are, of course, correct
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 11:51 PM
Jun 2017

you don't have to have faith to have a moral compass. I am not arguing that atheists and agnostics are bad people. I'm arguing that there has to be room in the Democratic party and DU for all people irrespective of their faith or lack or faith. If Democrats exclude people of faith, it will loose all of the country except the two coasts.

We do not elect Presidents by popular vote. If people of faith are denigrated by Democrats, it may win the popular vote but will nevertheless loose the election. Of course, if the Democrats loose the great center of the county, it will never again control the Senate.

In is unquestionably true that much evil has been done in the world in the name of religion. If it also true that evil was been done in history in the name of the Democratic party. I will not be judged by the Crusades because I am a Christian just as I will not be blamed for Jim Crow because I am a Southern Democrat.

Denigrating people of faith will not run me out of the Democratic party. My politics are informed by my faith, I so I have no where else to go.

My question still wants an answer: Are Democrats who are people of faith welcome on DU?

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
22. " My question still wants an answer: Are Democrats who are people of faith welcome on DU?"
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jun 2017

As far as I'm concerned they are.

As are Muslims, Buddhists, Hindi, and anyone with any other supernatural belief whatsoever, as long as they are Democrats.

There aren't that many atheists in the country anyway - or the world for that matter and we'd never win an election without believers. In fact, the right to believe almost anything no matter how ridiculous and, (in most cases), act on those beliefs as long as it's done in the name of religion is enshrined in our Constitution.

Most liberal Dems who identify as religious only make vague references to the supernatural and are otherwise quite rational. I can identify as I was like that for most of my early life and still voted Dem.

It's a process...


defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. I swear there's some chemical toxin
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 05:59 PM
Jun 2017

in the water or air on the planet that's slowly deteriorating the human brain. Or it's the increasing cosmic rays from the solar minimum.
I'm kidding... but I can't help but wonder because the the facts we hear about are just as crazy as any story we can manufacture.

Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts)
6. Son of juror in mistrial: Dad made mistake with documents
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 06:39 PM
Jun 2017

Mitch Weiss and Holbrook Mohr, Associated Press
Updated 4:47 pm, Wednesday, June 7, 2017


RUTHERFORDTON, N.C. (AP) — A juror who was arrested during the trial of a North Carolina minister charged with beating a gay congregant made a mistake by taking unauthorized documents to court and was not trying to influence the outcome of the trial, his son said Wednesday.

The jury was in its second day of deliberations Tuesday in the trial of Brooke Covington, 58, a longtime minister at Word of Faith Fellowship in Spindale, North Carolina, when juror Perry Shade Jr., 71, was charged with contempt.

A retrial has been scheduled for the two-week court term beginning July 17. The case was part of an ongoing, two-year investigation into abuse of Word of Faith Fellowship congregants by church leaders by The Associated Press.

Throughout the trial, Judge Gary Gavenus warned jurors not to do their own research.

More:
http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/As-mistrial-is-declared-2-jailed-but-not-the-11201600.php

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
7. I can see kicking the juror off the panel
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 06:48 PM
Jun 2017

But arresting him is a bit much in my opinion. That's just going to make people more inclined not to serve on juries.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
8. The juror deliberately ignored the judge's specific instructions.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 07:00 PM
Jun 2017

Judges take that very seriously, for good reason.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
9. I can see someone not wanting to serve because they might go to jail, too.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 07:55 PM
Jun 2017

I just had jury duty. Only 28% of those summoned in my county actually show up.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
23. Just follow jury instructions from the judge.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 01:58 PM
Jun 2017

Don't do your own detective work. DO NOT show up at the crime scene and look for clues (you are not Velma and Scooby).
People will do stupid stuff, trying to be Jack Lemon in 12 Angry Men. Judges take a dim view of that kind of activity.

I was on a jury on an insurance thing about 20 years ago. It took 2 weeks. Luckily I was working for a company that paid that much for jury, so I didn't lose anything. If I had been on the OJ trial, I would have probably been evicted from where I lived, or arrested from trying to escape after a month.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
11. Nope, that was clear and specific contempt of court.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jun 2017

He tainted the whole jury with that, which is what caused the mistrial. The court is going to have to go through the whole process again, so salaries for the prosecutor, the bailiffs, court reporters and judge, plus make the defendant pay for another defense (or make the public defenders pay for another defense), and the court now has to find another jury with no ties to this specific church, which gets harder with each case.

All because a juror could not follow directions and decided to be a private Matlock or his own religious authority or whatever the documents were. If I let my cynic freak flag fly, I might suspect the juror did it deliberately to cause a mistrial. That's not unknown.

I know of at least one case where there's a very strong chance that juror actions outside of the scope of the jury room and evidence as presented resulted in a life sentence for an innocent person, because the juror decided to go do her own "drive test" with faulty information. Which was discovered years later, after the innocent person's legal appeals were exhausted. He'll spend life in prison for the simple crime of being a typical teenage asshole who had a vengeful ex and lived in the middle of a gossipy small town.

The bigger issue with juries is that we, as a society, do not value the service. Under the draft, a draftee and a volunteer went through the same training, got paid the same amount of money, had the exact same opportunities after their service was completed. We expect jury duty to be like a draft of the citizenry for a few hours, days or weeks, but we don't compensate that usurpation of time and energy. We expect jurors to donate their time, no matter their circumstances.

About half of any jury pool are hourly workers, who, if they don't work, don't get paid, and then don't make the mortgage/rent/groceries. Which makes that group extremely wary of jury duty. Employers are not allowed to fire employees for jury duty, but in most at-will states, someone who is hourly and gets a grand jury duty summons is likely to get fired. Some employers pay their employees on jury duty, but it's not required. The "compensation" most jurors get doesn't even approach minimum wage. Salaried workers or those with paid time off can use their PTO, but that can mean they don't have the paid time off to take care of a sick child or go see family during the holidays or have to cancel a planned family vacation. Being the sole caretaker for a child or an elder does not get someone out of jury duty. Drop-in daycare for children is rare, and finding a caretaker for a child or children can be difficult, but for elders? It can be impossible. Adults caring for parents with dementia are often screwed, if dementia manifests as paranoia around strangers, or they've lost control of social boundaries or is incontinent.

Want to improve the jury pool? Make it a real public service job that pays around the median local wage, for which one may volunteer, and in volunteering, agrees to serve on any jury within a region. Set a minimum and maximum time limit - one can serve for no less than 6 months at a stretch, and no more than 4 total lifetime years - and provide training in the critical thinking required to understand complex expert testimony, legal process and implicit biases. Both attorneys get a randomly assigned pool of 30 from the current standing pool of anonymized potential jurors, and from that paper pool, must agree on 14, without seeing anyone or being able to exclude based on career. (Because racism and sexism are serious problems in jury selection, and many prosecutors seek to exclude potential jurors with higher education because they don't want jurors who might question the science.) Allow people to commit to service at transition points in their careers. Allow the jurors to opt out of certain types of cases, but not opt out of any individual case. (Of course, this would be much easier to establish once we have a UBI, but it can be done without one. We just have to pay for it.)

When the jury rules we follow were first established in English common law under the Plantagenets, there was very little educational difference between local magistrates, sheriffs and the local jury pool. Often, magistrates and sheriffs were just as illiterate as the smallholders and artisans who served. Even into the 19th century, the differences were small and there was little establishment of forensic evidence. Now? We expect a roofer, a line cook, a stay at home parent, a mechanic, a marketing assistant and a retired accountant to understand microbiology, DNA analysis, smoke patterns, cell tower orientations, and anything else that might be relevant, being served by groups of attorneys who can be highly skilled at manipulation. That's making for worse juries.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
16. These are important & excellent suggestions, politicat.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:51 AM
Jun 2017

IMHO, your excellent points would make a great discussion thread of its own in GD or Justice & Public Safety.

In solidarity,

-app

Response to politicat (Reply #11)

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
10. Come on Guys
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 08:59 PM
Jun 2017

There has to be room in the Democratic party (and DU) for people of faith - all faiths. If the Democratic party is to succeed, it cannot alienate people because of their faith or lack of faith.

I'm all for critique of people who use faith as a weapon. However, I didn't see anything in the DU terms of use to let me know that Christians/Jews/Muslims/Hindus/etc. weren't welcome. If I missed something, I'd appreciate knowing.

The contempt citation for this juror had nothing to do with religion. The defendants crime is alleged to have a crazy religious basis. The attacks on all people of faith is gratuitous.

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