Bernie Sanders Slams 1% in Praise for U.K.'s Corbyn
Source: Newsweek
BY GRAHAM LANKTREE ON 6/9/17 AT 9:06 AM
Left wing Democrat and 2016 presidential primary contender Bernie Sanders is praising the large gains Britains Labour Party in the UK elections under the leadership of socialist Jeremy Corbyn.
"I am delighted to see Labour do so well. All over the world people are rising up against austerity and massive levels of income and wealth inequality, Sanders wrote in a statement to The Washington Post late Thursday.
Sanders congratulated Corbyn for running a very positive and effective campaign" and said that in both the U.K. and U.S. people want governments that represent all the people, not just the 1 percent.
Thursdays election returned the surprise result of a hung parliament in which no party could form a majority. Labour gained 29 seats. The results show the Conservatives with 318 parliamentary seats and Labour with 261, with other smaller parties gathering a combined total of 70.
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George II
(67,782 posts)...higher in some states, lower in many other states.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Rich!
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)that represent all the people, not just the 1 percent.
He's been pretty smug about batting around others for their wealth or advantages and while we can all agree that the country should be run to benefit all he is walking a fine line.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)What a depressing outlook. You are implying that anyone that manages to reach that 1% suddenly is transformed/possessed and becomes a Mr. Burns and is all in for themselves only. So based on this belief, you surmise that Bernie is some kind of hypocrite for caring about those that earn less than him? And that he should be up in arms along with the Koch brothers because he may have to pay more taxes if the policies he himself has been pushing for for decades come about? Wow that is some twisted logic you put on him.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I'm not implying anything except for the Senator's tendency towards hypocrisy lest we forget how and his damned HRC for her good fortune.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)"...you surmise that Bernie is some kind of hypocrite."
"I'm not implying anything except for the Senator's tendency towards hypocrisy"
Me.
(35,454 posts)That's precisely how I see him
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)The quote is pretty clear he's talking about how government is often run, putting the needs of the wealthy before the needs of those who have less. Not sure if you're being dishonest or just didn't read.
Me.
(35,454 posts)"Not sure if you're being dishonest or just didn't read"
And of course, it isn't a slam on himself, not intentionally anyway, he would never criticize himself only others.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)If you're going to be dishonest, I'm not sure what else you expect.
Me.
(35,454 posts)You just don't like the answer
murielm99
(30,780 posts)who think Hillary should shut up and stay out of politics.
Why aren't they saying the same thing about BS?
Me.
(35,454 posts)Women need not apply. Just ask SEnator Kamala Harris.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Please quote anyone saying HRC "should shut up and stay out of politics"
(In fact I surmise that anyone doing so would not last long on DU)
I for one welcome Hillary into the conversation, and I wish she'd speak up more. The more voices in the Resistance the better. I have posted this a few times.
It has been strictly her choice not to speak up more. Jeez, move on already. The primaries are over, the election is over. Its time for Bernie and Hillary supporters to welcome both back into the fray to fight this menace together.
George II
(67,782 posts)Here's one example (with questionable source, not the OS' OP, but the "Dems" referred to in the article):
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9157375
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)I haven't seen it in such negative tones on DU though in the vein of "There are a number of people who post here who think Hillary should shut up and stay out of politics".
But I can understand the logic. That is a normal thought after any election. That the loser not run around speaking against the winner right after, because it looks bad on the whole party. So I can understand how they could find "a dozen" Democrats to agree with that.
Personally I think this is an unusual circumstance, where a foreign government altered the results, and HRC actually SHOULD be the President as we speak. And the fact that she got 3 million more votes. She should join the chorus. But not by whining about reasons she lost, that kind of arguing she should leave to others, she should IMO issue statements as if she actually is the President on world affairs. She should remind Americans that she would have been so much more capable in that office.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Hillary lost to one of the most despised politicians to ever run for office.
murielm99
(30,780 posts)six million more votes than 45. She has been voted the most admired woman in the world how many times? Fourteen? She receives standing ovations wherever she goes.
Bernie has high approval ratings? For what? I see few accomplishments over a very long career. I see someone who bashes Democrats consistently. This is not about the primary. It is about Hillary's behavior and Bernie's behavior since then. BS made a comment. I take issue with his behavior and often with his comments. He is not a Democrat and he does not speak for me.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and should limit her conversations, you know the way women are supposed to do. And who cares that BS can't keep his yapper shut and goes around the country complaining about the DEms rather than focusing on 45.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Who could have forseen?
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George II
(67,782 posts)"All over the world people are rising up against austerity and massive levels of income and wealth inequality"
David__77
(23,591 posts)...
Me.
(35,454 posts)but as an opportunist who thinks he has a right to scold others.
David__77
(23,591 posts)Regardless of their own personal motivations. Even if they wish to scold others.
To be clear, I use "class treason" only semi-seriously. What I mean is that Sanders advocates policies that will not necessarily in the lead to him retaining a higher fraction of his income. I think it is good when people are socially-oriented and at least conceptually put the interests of many in mind.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But he has the good fortune of not having to do so. It's already built into his position
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Interesting that he doesn't feel that the Democratic party is worth joining.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Since at least the beginning of this year. Perhaps that's when he did the math on his new earnings.
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Doodley
(9,161 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)David__77
(23,591 posts)...
Doodley
(9,161 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Are you saying LePen and May are extremists? Or are you saying that Corbyn isn't an extremist, but Sanders IS an extremist? You do realize that Corbyn is a LOT to the left of Sanders don't you?
karynnj
(59,508 posts)Not to mention, you could argue that Kerry, who met with Macron in person in March - and likely approved Macron tweeting a photo of them, and Obama who actually endorsed Macron - over Len Pen, were wrong.
There is a HUUUGE difference between Sanders speaking afterward or even Kerry and Obama with Macron then Russia COVERTLY illegally trying to sway the US election.
LisaM
(27,848 posts)I object to the article referring to him as a Democrat!! Which he refuses to be.
Doodley
(9,161 posts)Britain is not America, and Theresa May is not Trump or a Republican.
David__77
(23,591 posts)I think that the Conservative Party was the choice of the right in the UK. I do not think that the Conservative Party is a natural ally of progressives.
QC
(26,371 posts)to attack an ally of our party and our cause.
R B Garr
(17,003 posts)to attack our party.
jalan48
(13,906 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(13,906 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jalan48
(13,906 posts)T_i_B
(14,749 posts)He merely escaped an electoral disaster thanks to an appalling campaign by the Conservatives.
Nevertheless, the tide may be turning towards Labour for the first time in a long while.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just try to find one government anywhere that belies that. Might need to research in history books since they also tend not to last very long. Of course, where they DID actually manage to take over nations and hold on long enough to effect their particular forms of...change, you'll find long rows of books on what happened.
A way of saying, little UK lurching from right to far left is not a good sign. All nations need stability. Populations actually require it for life. The choice the French made is far more reassuring and promising.
jalan48
(13,906 posts)I've read that Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal today. I thought he was an extremist when he was President. What happened?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)studied. Extremism is a series of traits, which, of course, are seen in various strengths. Corbyn's probably fairly radical/extremist-lite in personality and in his avowed positions, though that could change with power.
As for "extremist" as in positions, most of the positions that leaders like Corbyn are trying to sell people on these days aren't really extreme. Comparisons are being made with Bernie; notably, Bernie's positions were all mainstream liberal ideas, the difference being that he believed we could and should accomplish them all right now, while mainstreamers believed that was simply not possible and that in any case we would have to gain the cooperation of a majority of citizens if they were to endure and be successful.
Not to be inflammatory here, but to point out that there are plenty of genuine extremists of all types out there, and that anxieties due to the enormous changes we are living through has made the post Industrial Revolution era particularly prone to extremist movements. We have to be very careful what groups and kinds rally to which leaders. And to never forget that previously "mainstream" people can become increasingly extremist in both personality and positions when exposed to extremist influences. Pol Pot considered himself moderate at most and argued that his revolution got out of his control.
T_i_B
(14,749 posts)...but he actually comes across as quite mild mannered.
Theresa May could also be said to be something of an extremist, and she comes across as robotic, very evasive and also very aloof.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and other very unsavory people. And I played it safe by describing him as probably not very extreme. Many observers feel he is. He has a long record of acting the apologist for violent terrorists who've murdered many. He says it's in the name of peace and tolerance, but many of the fringe elements he's drawing suggest they're taking a different message from him.
Don't look at his face, read his history and the writings of enthusiastic extremists supporting him. Both Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul had very nice faces and were far too competent to endorse racism in front of TV cameras. It was their enthusiastic following of racists, anti-feminists, and other deplorables that first clued in people who hadn't examined them.
Note that it is the nature of extremists and people leaning that way, both right and left, to despise the center and to be drawn by extremist politicians. Corbyn's support includes some from the far right who rejected the Conservative Party's strong conservatism to join him on the far left, and he needs all the support he can get.
Besides the possible danger of extremists joining together to perhaps take control in future, though, is the more prosaic probable failure of government should Corbyn get power. Extremists cannot run modern liberal democracies to serve most citizens well any more than strong conservatives can. Among other necessary qualities both lack is the simple reality that neither believe in the cooperation it takes to make democratic republics work. Democracy itself is discardable whenever the wishes of the people get in their way. Instead, both groups combine arrogance with profound disinterest/contempt for anything other citizens want and need that differs from their own ideology.
Fortunately for the world, both right and left extremists combine that very dangerous lack with the ineptitude that comes of elevating ideology over reality when actually trying to govern. As I said, they usually don't stay in power long. (Strong conservatives, unfortunately, are better at that.)
I don't believe scary Corbyn should be imagined as a Brit counterpart to Bernie, but it is useful to note that, in the traditional intensive candidate interviews with the editorial boards of the NYT and WaPo, Senator Bernie amazingly could not explain in any genuine detail HOW he would implement his agenda, much of which he's promoted for decades. And the official plans his campaign did release were widely analyzed to be generally unworkable as presented, numbers all wrong, conclusions without basis, some things congress wouldn't get behind no matter how many seats we won, etc. He was sure about the what and they'd decide on the how once he was in office, he told them.
When ideology rules and reality won't cooperate, the next step for ideologues who've gotten power is getting reality out of their way. As you'll recall, when nearly 4 million more people voted for his opponent, Bernie tried to talk the superdelegates into making him the Democratic Party nominee--as he'd promised his supporters he would all along if needed. Perfectly legal but nevertheless a mild example of what I'm talking about.
Many very frustrated and angry people are relieved to see in people like Corbyn signs of a strong leader they can depend on not to compromise. Okay, that is what they want, but they also need to examine the whole package they're buying, make sure the rest is what they really want too, not just thrill to some inspiring speeches. Or as the old phrase that came to us from England puts it, they're like to come home by weeping cross. To me, the increased support by potentially dangerous people for candidate Corbyn-of-the-nice-face-and-mild-manner is a flashing warning sign that England could be tilting into much worse trouble.
T_i_B
(14,749 posts)The trouble is, the Tories ran the worst campaign imaginable and are now being propped up by the DUP.
Would you like an explanation of the DUP's record on loyalist terrorism?
Essentially, the snap election has backfired for Theresa May and vast swathes of their election arguments and soundbites (strong and stable, coalition of chaos etc) are in complete tatters.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)When "campaigns" are blamed for all the faults of the citizens, large numbers failing their duty far beyond any excuses, it may all come down to luck. I know it wouldn't take Churchill one minute with the average voter here in the U.S., and it seems UK's devolving to the same dangerous state.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Black and white, no grey area.
jalan48
(13,906 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The whole notion of "if you dissent from this politician's message in any way, you are a corporate shill/republican lite/stooge of the establishment" will cost us in actual progress.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Day late and a dollar short, but it's better than nothing.
Gothmog
(145,776 posts)May was closed to trump and Trump picking a rather idiotic fight with the Mayor of London did not help May
Me.
(35,454 posts)And then of course, as you say, he stupidly picked a fight. The Brits have quite a few choice words for him.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I hope he damns the whole filthy movement to hell!
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Especially for Democrats. I'm not always a fan of his anymore either, but consider not going out of your way to bash someone when they're advocating for praising a liberal. It's petty.
Doodley
(9,161 posts)and pensions. Theresa May is the most left-leaning Tory PM, and the result only means a shift further to the left. Bernie Sanders should not go around insulting other nations any more than Trump.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)The comparisons are nonsensical. You're letting a grudge get the better of you.
Doodley
(9,161 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I thought you were someone constantly rehashing the primaries. Did a search and looks like I was wrong. My apologies.
Doodley
(9,161 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)Ditch the austerity programs (even Kansas Republicans have seen the light) and return to higher taxes on the the rich and shore up the social safety net.
I can't believe anyone here would oppose this.
ehrnst
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