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neohippie

(1,142 posts)
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:33 AM Jun 2017

REX TILLERSON TO WORK WITH RUSSIA ON CYBERSECURITY (EVEN AFTER HACKING)

Source: Newsweek

A BuzzFeed report published Monday detailed the former ExxonMobil CEO turned U.S. statesman’s plan, which included each side vowing to avoid “aggressive actions” that wouldn’t be productive for anyone as well as a third point called “strategic stability” meant to bundle together problems the two superpowers face.

But the second tenet, aimed at cybersecurity and cyberespionage, seems particularly odd given not only the investigations surrounding President Donald Trump and his former campaign but also the conclusion reached by the U.S. intelligence community that Russia intentionally meddled in last year’s election in order to ascend Trump’s candidacy.

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The report makes no mention of how Tillerson intends to go about executing any of the three points, and instead focuses on how his new plan may represent the new top diplomat taking the reins from Trump, and the State Department regaining some power after President Barack Obama and his administration were seen as micromanaging the relationship.

The plan was also characterized as a way for Tillerson to show how little wiggle room the U.S. has when it comes to dealing with Russia.

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-cyber-security-tillerson-627379



This administration will do anything to justify access to Russian oil and gas interests. Now they want to work with Russia on cyber security and espionage.

When will they realize Putin is actively attacking our democracy, funding the Taliban in Afghanistan, violating our missile treaty, and threatening our European allies?

Why is Putin the only foreign leader Trump refuses to bully?
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REX TILLERSON TO WORK WITH RUSSIA ON CYBERSECURITY (EVEN AFTER HACKING) (Original Post) neohippie Jun 2017 OP
"When will they realize Putin is actively attacking our democracy...?" WePurrsevere Jun 2017 #1
If the whole GOP was totally in Putin's pocket... Girard442 Jun 2017 #2
I suggest neohippie Jun 2017 #3
If we give Russia everything they want, then they won't have to hack us anymore. Problem solved. tanyev Jun 2017 #4
Russian Money neohippie Jun 2017 #5
No wonder the world is FUCKED turbinetree Jun 2017 #6
Their crimes are so blatant joeybee12 Jun 2017 #7
They know they may be eventually caught LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #8
Is he giving them all the backdoor keys to the voting machines? Blue Idaho Jun 2017 #9
Unbelievable. MBS Jun 2017 #10

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
1. "When will they realize Putin is actively attacking our democracy...?"
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 06:03 AM
Jun 2017

They know and don't care because it benefits THEM at the moment. They rely on the R owned/run propaganda media, their 'cheats' in place and their bases intellectual laziness to keep them in office but if it looks like they'll actually pay for their stance with money/positions I bet they'll suddenly get very 'concerned'.

"Why is Putin the only foreign leader Trump refuses to bully?"
I'm going to take a SWAG that it's because he's a fellow fascist who has a rather obvious love affair with Russia and is working WITH Putin because he's a stupid greedy power hungry buttwipe.

The idea of working WITH Russia, especially after they ATTACKED us, is abhorrent to me and it should be to every American who truly LOVES our constitution and democracy. This sure seems like a huge middle finger to us and the IC by someone who's in collusion and is pretty sure they're safe from legal prosecution & repercussions.

This is why we MUST continue to resist and make sure that he and the rest are tossed in jail and NOT in positions of power.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
2. If the whole GOP was totally in Putin's pocket...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 06:26 AM
Jun 2017

...things would look different then they do now how, exactly?

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
3. I suggest
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 07:04 AM
Jun 2017

If you want to get a better understanding of Russian meddling in world affairs

Google "Byline Snowman Series" There are some great stories with a British slant about Brexit, Trump, and Russia with some interesting details. I hope that someone involved in the Trump investigations is aware of this source even if there's speculation, it all needs to be vetted and examined

Here is a example of one of the stories in the series

https://www.byline.com/column/67/article/1653


#SNOWMAN SERIES 8 – ALFA MALES: RUSSIA TIES DEEPEN
J.J. Patrick photo J.J. PatrickUnited Kingdom / United States12 May 2017
#Snowman Series 8 – Alfa Males: Russia Ties Deepen

The complex web of Trump and Brexit ties to Russia deepen... By J.J. Patrick and Wendy Siegelman
This investigation has already established undeniable connections between Trump, Brexit, Russia, and the far-right - including France’s Marine Le Pen.

Alongside the alt-right and a complex disinformation network, this shady collaboration incorporates the deployment of Wikileaks, other hacking operations, and psychometrics company Cambridge Analytica in ongoing interference with western democracy.
The extent of the clandestine operation is becoming increasingly easy to trace.

On the 12th of January 2017, British businessman Arron Banks, principal backer of Brexit campaign group Leave.EU, posted a picture of Andrew Wigmore, also of Leave.EU and connected to Banks’ African operations, in Mississippi.

The caption read “Andy over in the US this week with Gov. Bryant. & our good friends from Mississippi!”
“The extent of the clandestine operation is becoming increasingly easy to trace.”

In April 2008 Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour welcomed a delegation headed by Russian Federation Senator Mikhail Margelov and U.S.-Russia Business Council (USRBC) President Eugene Lawson to Jackson.

At the time, a Russian investment by SeverCorr was in its first phase and had brought 450 high-paying new jobs to Mississippi. The salaries were $88,000 on average, compared to the state's median income of $38,215, according to reports.

Mississippi had $5.2 billion of exports in 2007, and the state's exports to Russia alone grew 52 percent from 2004 to 2007. Over that period, many of the sectors the state government was targeting for growth participated in the increase - for example, non-traditional Mississippi exports of computers and electronic products skyrocketed more than 5,000 percent.

Governor Barbour made a public statement that Mississippi looked “forward to a long and thriving relationship with Russia."
At a luncheon sponsored by SeverCorr, stated to have been arranged to “enable state business leaders to take a closer look at Russia economically and politically,” USRBC President Eugene Lawson underscored SeverCorr's investment in Mississippi should send a signal to other Russian companies, and the Russian government, that the U.S. was open to and welcomed foreign investment.

Lawson pointed out not one Russian investment in the U.S. has been turned down by the U.S. foreign investment review process conducted by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS).

Senator Margelov emphasized the importance of mutual cooperation in his own remarks, suggesting the two countries put aside the “negative rhetoric” which had emerged in Duma elections and that year's U.S. presidential campaign.

Margelov suggested the U.S. needed to take advantage of “a new generation coming of age in Russia that is not bound by Cold War stereotypes.” He asserted that “today's global realities demand pragmatism and an "equal partnership" between the U.S. and Russia.”

The delegation also enjoyed private discussions with both Governor Barbour and his deputy, Phil Bryant - parties from the US Russia Business Council attended a dinner at Barbour's private residence and Phil Bryant, then the Lieutenant Governor, hosted a private dinner at his home too.

Margelov had worked as an interpreter in the International Department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. He also taught Arabic at the Higher School of the K.G.B and was Senior Editor of the Arab section in the TASS News Agency. He was a spy.

Between 1990-1995, he was employed by a number of US consulting companies dealing with investment projects and in 1995 became project director for the publicity campaign of Grigory Yavlinsky and the Yabloko party. In 1996, he was chief co-ordinator for advertising in President Boris Yeltsin's 1996 re-election campaign. He went on to head the President's public relations department and was later a director of the Russian Information Centre (Rosinformcentr), a government agency covering events in the Northern Caucasus.

From May 1998 to September 1999, he held a managerial position at RIA Novosti news agency then spent January to March 2000 as a consultant to Vladimir Putin's Electoral Headquarters, in charge of contacts with foreign media.

In 2009 Canada refused an entry visa for Mikhail Margelov, then the Kremlin’s special representative to Africa. The reason, according to Canadian sources, was Margelov’s connection to the Soviet intelligence services.

“Margelov suggested that the U.S. needs to take advantage of a new generation coming of age in Russia that is not bound by Cold War stereotypes. He asserted that “today's global realities demand pragmatism and an "equal partnership" between the U.S. and Russia.””

Hayley Barbour, Governor of Mississippi at the time of the dinners, founded lobbying company BGR Group in 1991.
In 2013 the firm was paid $13.7 million and its three largest clients were the Republic of India, Ukraine Chevron Corporation, and the State of Kazakhstan. The firm employs various former political figures.


In April 2015, the Government of South Korea retained BGR for public relations and image building.

Barbour was the governor of Mississippi between 2004 and 2012, having previously served under Ronald Reagan before becoming head of the Republican National Committee for a number of years. During his stint as governor BGR monies were held in a blind trust arrangement but this has always attracted media coverage.

His filings with the Mississippi Ethics Commission show continued payments from BGR and withdrawals from the trust which had a market value of $3.3 million according to its trustee, the president of the Bank of Yazoo City, Griffin Norquist.

Correspondence between Barbour and the trustee from 2008 and 2009 - filed with the Ethics Commission and provided by a source - show Barbour pulling $196,850 out of the trust in 2008, $75,000 of it for an income tax payment and $262,000 out in 2009, an unspecified portion of it for taxes. His state salary was listed at $122,160, so the tax designations of these withdrawals indicate a significant second income.

According to Norquist, as of December the 31st 2008, the "aggregate market value of assets” in the trust was $3,317,801.

BGR Group represented Alfa Bank from at least 2004 until 2015, while Barbour was governor.

Lobbying Disclosure Act papers show they received approximately $5.89 million from the Moscow bank over the period, for lobbying activity related to “Bilateral US-Russian Relations.” The people behind the financial organisation are closely linked to Vladimir Putin.

Alfa Bank came to the notice of the media and the FBI when computer experts found its servers communicating with the Trump organisation.

A detailed analysis showed a series of DNS look ups between the Alfa Bank server in Moscow and a server owned by the Trump organisation which has been described as being set up in a peculiar fashion – it was designed only to accept communications from a small number of other unique IP addresses. A private channel.

From May the 4th until September the 23rd 2016 the Russian bank looked up the address to the Trump corporate server 2,820 times. This was more traffic than from any other source. In fact, Alfa Bank alone represented 80% of the lookups.

Indiana University computer scientist, L. Jean Camp, told reporters “the conversation between the Trump and Alfa servers appeared to follow the contours of political happenings in the United States. “At election-related moments, the traffic peaked,” according to Camp. “There were considerably more DNS lookups, for instance, during the two conventions.”

According to CNN, “publicly available internet records show that address, which was registered to the Trump Organization, points to an IP address that lives on an otherwise dull machine operated by a company in the tiny rural town of Lititz, Pennsylvania.” The Trump organisation claim it was a marketing server.

Christopher Davis, who runs the cybersecurity firm HYAS InfoSec, told reporters “I’ve never seen a server set up like that. It looked weird, and it didn’t pass the sniff test.” Davis won the prestigious FBI Director Award for Excellence for tracking down the authors of one of the world’s nastiest botnet attacks.

Internet cyber-security pioneer Paul Vixie told Slate “The parties were communicating in a secretive fashion. The operative word is secretive. This is more akin to what criminal syndicates do if they are putting together a project.”

Four days after New York Times journalists started following the story, on September the 27th 2016, the original server, mail1.trump-email.com, was switched off and the Trump Organization created a new host name, trump1.contact-client.com.
This enabled communication to the very same Alfa server via a different route.

The new server’s first communication was with Alfa Bank and experts have made clear “when a new host name is created, the first communication with it is never random. To reach the server after the resetting of the host name, the sender of the first inbound mail has to first learn of the name somehow. It’s simply impossible to randomly reach a renamed server.”

Richard Clayton, a cybersecurity researcher at Cambridge University, commented on a series of objections to evidence of communication between the servers, saying “I think mail is more likely, because it’s going to a machine running a mail server and [the host] is called mail.”

Others have also dismissed claims of the communication logs being faked due to an impossibility in recreating random traffic volume.

Jeffrey Birnbaum of BGR rejected the allegations, saying “neither Alfa Bank nor its principals, including Mikhail Fridman and Petr Aven, have or have had any contact with Mr. Trump or his organizations. The assertion of a special or private link is patently false.”

“The parties were communicating in a secretive fashion. The operative word is secretive. This is more akin to what criminal syndicates do if they are putting together a project.”

The bank is owned by a secretive oligarch Mikhail Fridman – one of the richest men in the world – and the Sunday Times has called the parent company, Alfa Group, “one of the most controversial business empires on the planet.”

Alfa Bank financed one of the companies involved in building Iran’s Bushehr nuclear power plant, according to corporate documents and lobbying disclosure records.

In the mid-2000s, according to its own public reports, Alfa Bank provided financing to Atomstroyexport, a state-controlled Russian company which was a major player in Iran’s developing nuclear energy program. The relationship included “loans and other client services.”

Birnbaum of BGR dismissed reports of Alfa having deeper links to Iran’s nuclear ambitions as misguided, saying “just because Alfa bank had a line of credit with an entity that did business with Iran does not make Alfa a financier of Iran’s nuclear program.” Communicating through BGR, the bank’s CEO added contact had ended “after 2008 U.N. sanctions.”

At the time, there was no problem with the plant from a US foreign policy perspective.

In 2007, around the time Alfa was financing Atomstroyexport, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice endorsed the plant as a proper component of Iran’s civilian nuclear program and in 2010 Hillary Clinton told the U.N. ”Our problem is not with their reactor at Bushehr. Our problem is with their facilities at places like Natanz and their secret facility at Qom and other places where we believe they are conducting their weapons program.”

Fridman freely enjoyed the privilege of visiting the White House twice, in May 2010 and again in May 2011. Each time, according to White House logs, Richard Burt, a former top diplomat who negotiated the 1991 START I nuclear treaty with the Soviet Union, accompanied him.

According to Burt, Fridman’s goal was “to strengthen ties between the United States and Russia and to discuss Russian ascension to the World Trade Organization.”

Burt has longstanding connections with both BGR Group and Alfa.


He was previously executive chairman of Diligence LLC, a corporate intelligence operation which employs former spies, and now holds an advisory role at Fridman’s investment operation, Letter One.

In 2005, BGR and Diligence became ensnared in scandal. Working as a BGR contractor it was alleged they attempted to obtain corporate records of an Alfa rival from auditor KPMG. KPMG sued Diligence and the latter settled the case by paying KPMG $1.7 million.

Another rival, IPOC Growth Fund, also sued Diligence and BGR Group and the case was settled in 2008.
Ed Rogers, BGR chairman, was an early owner of Diligence and according to reports the company was set up inside BGR’s Pennsylvania Avenue office.

In the first two quarters of 2016 Burt’s lobbying firm received $365,000 for work he and a colleague did to garner support for a proposed natural-gas pipeline opposed by the Polish government and the Obama administration

The Nord Steam gas connection would have allowed more Russian gas to reach central and western European markets - bypassing Ukraine and Belarus and extending Putin’s leverage over Europe. Burt’s lobbying work for New European Pipeline AG began in February 2016 when Russian state-owned oil giant Gazprom owned a 50 percent stake in the company.

In August, five European partners pulled out and Gazprom now owns 100 percent.

During the same period Burt says he helped shape Trump’s first major foreign policy address, recommending the man who is now president take a “more realist, less interventionist approach to world affairs.

“I believe an easing of tensions and improved relations with Russia — from a position of strength — is possible,” Trump said in the subsequent speech, adding “common sense says this cycle of hostility must end. Some say the Russians won’t be reasonable. I intend to find out.”

“During the same period Burt says he helped shape Trump’s first major foreign policy address, recommending the man who is now president take a “more realist, less interventionist approach to world affairs.”

Phil Bryant, now the Governor of Mississippi years after his private dinners with the Russians and Barbour, is shown in Arron Banks’ picture of January 2017 with Leave.EU’s Andy Wigmore.

Bryant has been close to Vice President Mike Pence for years through the Republican Governor's Association, but his direct ties to Donald Trump are even clearer.

By the end of the presidential election campaign Bryant had swapped allegiance from Ted Cruz to become a reliable Trump surrogate, also raising $2 million for Trump’s campaign in short order.

Bryant enjoyed a close relationship with Trump including visits to Trump Tower in New York and commentators noted that the President often made a “B-line to Bryant even in a crowded room of VIPs.” According to one source, “Trump even ditched his Secret Service detail to get on an elevator with Bryant in Trump Tower, then gave Bryant a personal tour of his war room.”
This also put Bryant in direct connection with Jess Sessions.


While being interviewed by reporters in late 2016, Bryant had to cut an interview short, saying Sessions’ Chief of Staff, Rick Dearborn, had been meeting with Ivanka Trump to “work out calendars” and needed to update his itinerary.

Rick Dearborn is now the White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Legislative, Intergovernmental Affairs and Implementation, having been the executive director of the Presidential Transition Team for Trump. He had spent more than twenty-five years working on Capitol Hill and worked on President George W. Bush's Energy Agenda before this.

Dearborn worked as Chief of Staff for Senator Jeff Sessions from 2004 until 2016 when he joined the Trump team - the second Sessions staffer to land a senior role in the Trump White House.

One of the unresolved issues in the investigation into Donald Trump and Russia relates to Carter Page – a man whose CV had largely consisted of doing financial business with Russia - who was mysteriously hired by the Trump campaign as a foreign policy advisor, despite holding no qualifications for such a role.

During the election it became public knowledge the FBI was investigating Page’s ties to Russia and after Trump’s success Page travelled to Moscow for unknown reasons. In February 2017 it was discovered he had “been colluding with Russian intel officials during the election.”

Page’s connection to Jeff Sessions is not in doubt and sources have also been clear “the Page connection was Rick Dearborn, Sessions’ chief of staff, who hired Page because Dearborn knew nothing about foreign policy but needed to put together a foreign policy staff for Trump’s Alexandria, Virginia, policy shop and he happened to know Page.”

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
5. Russian Money
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jun 2017

Since the 1990s Russian money has been pouring into the US, investing in our tech sector, lobbying, and so on.

Somebody needs to dig into how this money is changing the face of our democracy, even if it's not necessarily always in an illegal way but especially when it's skirting our laws.

I suspect that the Russians have finally figured out that they can launder their money in our real estate, and also take dirty money and buy legitimate business interests, as well as use their money to influence our politics.

Basically Putin wants to use the power of this financial influence to change the US democracy which pressures governments around the world to adopt more liberal democratic values, including rights for marginalized groups and human rights. You can see the power of this financial campaign which funnels money into conservative interests, like the NRA, GOP Super PACs and so on.

Tillerson has already pushed this shift in the State department where he has stated that US policy will no longer put human rights interests before economic interests.

Even Jeff Sessions seems to believe that there are two Americas, one for the wealthy and powerful, and one for the rest of us. He is pushing that our justice system needs to become even tougher on the little people with mandatory minimums and asking prosecutors to push for the highest charge possible in cases, while, at the same time he his Justice departments is pushing to ignore the legal violations by the Trump administration and those who seem to be too rich to jail.

What Putin and Trump want to do is make the US government more like the corrupt Russian government where there are murky ties between the vast criminal enterprise we call the Russian mafia and Putin, and the rule of law isn't always enforced.

Trump wants to aid in this shift by pushing these legal, ethical and moral boundaries. He thinks he can operate outside the rule of law and as President his actions shouldn't be questioned or examined that we should just trust that he is acting in the best interest of our country instead of just acting on whatever best lines his own pockets.

Tump is challenging our democratic institutions in every way possible, by failing to fully staff our government, pushing back on Congressional oversight, challenging our courts, fighting the media and government transparency, all of this amounts to a huge shift in our government policy

Do we want our government to move in a direction where corruption and cronyism are acceptable. Where fraud is routine, and the media is no longer allowed to question our leaders? This is a huge turning point for our nation. I know people are resisting but we've got to do more to challenge this.

We are normalizing this kind of corruption and sacrificing the ideals that our country was founded on as well, as our position in the world as a leader of human rights and justice.

As the world's economy becomes more entwined, we have to make sure that we aren't returning to the days where the powerful interests of the few, rule over the democratic interests of the many.

We have now international robber barrons running the show here, because we have let them corrupt our nation to a point where they have the power to squelch the voices of the most vulnerable and marginalized peoples of the world.

We see their influence in government policies that promote resistance to refugees, the defunding of social programs, the removal of human rights as a pillar of our foreign policy, with the removal of banking regulations meant to control money laundering, the privatization of prisons for profit, with huge arms deals, with the hiding of massive amounts of wealth in banks that refuse to cooperate with investigations into tax evasion and with shell companies aiding in the laundering of dirty money as well as Citizens United which allows the flow of all of this dark money into our politics

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
6. No wonder the world is FUCKED
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jun 2017

3 point plan, let's sit down and have a kumbaya moment to solve the problems and get that oil out of the ground, so that they can massage his / there ego some more, and say see what I did................. .

Hey Tillerson, your bud's attacked the sovereignty of this country----------------end of story, didn't you get the memo?

Here is my 3 point plan

1.

2.

3.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
8. They know they may be eventually caught
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jun 2017

So they are coordinating for 2018 and 2020 in advance in case they don't get the chance later.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
9. Is he giving them all the backdoor keys to the voting machines?
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jun 2017

Co-operating with Putin's Russia is a bad idea...

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