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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:26 AM Jul 2012

Mitt Romney to rekindle cold war spirit with speech in Poland attacking Russia

Source: Guardian

Mitt Romney is to round off his campaign to boost his presidential foreign policy credentials by returning to a cold war symbol of anti-Soviet triumph and western-backed liberty in Poland.

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The speech on the "values of liberty" at Warsaw University on Tuesday is expected to seek to rekindle the flames of US cold war righteousness by featuring a strong attack on Russia and President Vladimir Putin's rollback of democratic gains, while also criticising the US president, Barack Obama, for allegedly sacrificing the interests and security of central European democracy in favour of realpolitik with the Kremlin.

Romney has previously described Russia as America's "No 1 geopolitical foe", in contrast with Obama, who has sought to press "the reset button" in relations with Moscow.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/30/mitt-romney-speech-poland-russia

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Mitt Romney to rekindle cold war spirit with speech in Poland attacking Russia (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jul 2012 OP
Oh those were the days! liberal N proud Jul 2012 #1
The guy is an unMITTigated disASSter. trusty elf Jul 2012 #2
your words need to go viral. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2012 #9
"“I don’t know how he’ll handle the head of state job. He’s made a mess of being a tourist.”--Rahm E wordpix Jul 2012 #14
I don't like Rahm but I applaud this crack. aquart Jul 2012 #29
I stole this from you. I tweeted it. aquart Aug 2012 #35
cool! trusty elf Aug 2012 #38
Yes, Mr. President I'm on it. Botany Jul 2012 #3
A return to Cheney administrations focus on the cold war... HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #4
Wow! This moron has zero foreign policy experience and talks a whole lot of shit. sarcasmo Jul 2012 #5
Can I haz prezidency? 6000eliot Jul 2012 #6
Romney vows to get Poland to leave Warsaw Pact Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #7
The Mittiot tells Warsaw, "The strength of your city is in your name, and I'm not talking about valerief Jul 2012 #8
OMFG Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #11
He never said that. Well, not yet. But I wouldn't be surprised. nt valerief Jul 2012 #12
Many of these polls are not exactly accurate. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #33
Does he think everyone white is Anglo Saxon? yurbud Jul 2012 #24
No, but it's the closest they'll let him come to "Aryan." aquart Jul 2012 #28
Poles aren't even Aryans--they're Slavs. yurbud Aug 2012 #32
All those blue-eyed blonds look alike. aquart Aug 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #10
bupkus Diclotican Jul 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #20
bupkus Diclotican Jul 2012 #23
let's go back to the 50's in women's choice, Cold War, "I am Anglo Saxon," anti-environment, wordpix Jul 2012 #13
Holy Crap. I thought this was gonna be an ONION story. n/t emulatorloo Jul 2012 #15
HRC reacts accordingly dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #16
If only! smirkymonkey Jul 2012 #31
dipsydoodle Diclotican Jul 2012 #17
I'm having cold war flashbacks. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #19
don't they mean "attacking the Soviet Union?" nt magical thyme Jul 2012 #21
Geebus azurnoir Jul 2012 #22
Didn't he say repeatedly that he would not criticize the President while overseas? karynnj Jul 2012 #25
It would appear as if he was lying. sofa king Aug 2012 #36
Like Poland doesn't still have nightmares of Russian occupation? aquart Jul 2012 #26
And intimidation. Igel Jul 2012 #30
"Kiss my ass! Shove it! This is a cold war site!" KansDem Jul 2012 #27
Bains New Office In Warsaw Betty Jo Aug 2012 #34
U.S. deflects missile defense criticism jakeXT Aug 2012 #39

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
14. "“I don’t know how he’ll handle the head of state job. He’s made a mess of being a tourist.”--Rahm E
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:13 AM
Jul 2012

Emanuel.
snip

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-emanuel-romney-made-a-mess-of-being-a-tourist-20120730,0,5353968.story

“Part of America’s role is to be seen as between the Israelis and the Palestinians as somebody that can be an honest broker. Mitt Romney just showed that under his administration he would never be able to assume that role for the United States.”

Romney's campaign had said the candidate's travels would be a chance to "learn and listen," not a vehicle for major foreign policy proposals. Emanuel's assessment nearly a week in: “I don’t know how he’ll handle the head of state job. He’s made a mess of being a tourist.”

Botany

(70,501 posts)
3. Yes, Mr. President I'm on it.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:35 AM
Jul 2012


The Soviet Union went out of business 21 years ago.

"The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics abbreviated to USSR or the Soviet Union, was a
constitutionally socialist state in Eurasia which existed between 1922 and 1991, ruled as
a single-party state by the Communist Party with its capital as Moscow." Wikipedia

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. A return to Cheney administrations focus on the cold war...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:36 AM
Jul 2012

Wow, I'll bet a majority of Americans want to go back to those days when focus of the adults on 'real' concerns made it impossible to understand the meaning of "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S."


valerief

(53,235 posts)
8. The Mittiot tells Warsaw, "The strength of your city is in your name, and I'm not talking about
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:31 AM
Jul 2012

insurance. I'm talking about war. Warsaw Poles are warriors, the front line against the oppressive ists on the east. You protect the Anglo-Saxon world from leftisms, and you should be proud of that. Proud. War. Right."

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
33. Many of these polls are not exactly accurate.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:23 AM
Aug 2012

Some of them, in fact, seem to be rather slanted against POTUS........

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
18. bupkus
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jul 2012

bupkus

My nightmare is starting to be mr Romney as the nest US president... Americans (or at least some of them, plus the Diabold "voting machines" are stupid enough to vote in Romney as the next president. Even with all the gaffers he manage to do...

And many americans still believe USSR are still around, and kicking well... Even after 20 year since it kind of imploded on its own....

Diclotican

Response to Diclotican (Reply #18)

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
23. bupkus
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:18 PM
Jul 2012

bupkus

To have Mitt Romney as the US president, would sure kill of any hope of sanity in the US.. He might not be liked by many Evangelicals and others who for many reasons would have trouble voting for a member of the LDS Church.. But I'm talking about his politic - and not least how he act.. If anything goes for what he have being shown in UK, in Israel or in Poland - he would be a nuclear disaster in the making as long as he is in office... GWB was a natural disaster in the making - Romney will be a nuclear disaster, with horrible consequences for the US, and the population.. A man who Long for the cold war is no man you want to get elected to the White House... Not as president or anything over the dog catcher job.

I also believe that the world - and US would have great problems surviving another neo-conservative fanatical ideology.. Neo-conservatives is like a Cancer, who could make the life a living hell for they who got infected - but at least they can be stooped - but another round will kill you outright... As cancer can do....

But as you pointed out, US IS stupid enough to elect another of the same type as GWB as the next president - and then the fall from what US is today, would be a a long hard and long fall.. It is a nightmare, who still is possible to not get into - if you want to stop the nightmare...

I for one, would have voted for Obama anytime if I have had the possibility of voting for the US presidency.. He might not be what we wanted - but he is far better than anything the republicans can try show for... The extreme conservative right - and the neo-cons hare more or less hi-jacked that party, and just a miracle can stop the GOP going down now... It might be a long death for the party, but the party will go the way of the dodo bird...

Diclotican

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
13. let's go back to the 50's in women's choice, Cold War, "I am Anglo Saxon," anti-environment,
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jul 2012
and BigOil/natural resource-extraction frontier-mentality colonialism.

That's the way, Mittwit.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
17. dipsydoodle
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:46 AM
Jul 2012

dipsydoodle

The cold war was horrible to live in, the first time around, even though I was born in 1976, and experienced just the end of the cold war, I do remember from young age who terrified some was, because of the nuclear weapons, who was pointed on more or less all over the world... But I do also remember when the cold war ended - in 1989-91, I do remember how the wall was being teared down, not by military might - but by common people who was not to stand for it anymore (of course it helped that the DDR government was in shambles and was not sure what to do at all) but the tearing down of the wall who had splitted both Germany and Europe in two - was being doing by people who was tired and was not supporting the government of DDR anymore.. It was the lack of legitimacy by the government, who in the summer and fall of 1989 ended the cold war - not armies and military might.

And now this clown want to restart the cold war??:. How stupid isn't that... Russia are not even USAs worst "enemy"; I would say China (PRC) Is a far worse "enemy" of the US, than Russia is today..

Diclotican

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
19. I'm having cold war flashbacks.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:01 AM
Jul 2012

Just remember kids, friends don't let friends be fascists. And historically in the US, right-wing Sovietophobia is usually a signal that the Labor movement is going to be in for another scare campaign. Let's not do this again, ok?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. Geebus
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jul 2012

well that's 'our' mittens spreading well spreading something where ever he goes

unfortunately though IMO everything he did while on his grand tour including dissing London appeals to his base who are the basest of base

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
25. Didn't he say repeatedly that he would not criticize the President while overseas?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jul 2012

Even in the few interviews he gave on this trip.

Can you imagine the hell that would have broken out 9in the media if Kerry met with any of the many national leaders he knew for years who respected him. Let alone if he gave say his NYU speech on Iraq or the University of Pennsylvania speech on the war on terror overseas? AGAINST A SITTING US PRESIDENT IN A TIME OF WAR?????

aquart

(69,014 posts)
26. Like Poland doesn't still have nightmares of Russian occupation?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jul 2012

Russia isn't likely to invade the US, but it has a very old habit of taking bits of Poland.

Not nice to do when you're a guest.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
30. And intimidation.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jul 2012

Ranging from Budennyi's campaign to the division of Poland with Hitler; to moving Poland West a hundred miles or so because the USSR wanted to gain territory after WWII and punish Germany (Poles from the east had to relocate--and we get pissed off at Israel!). Then the mess as part of the Comecon and Warsaw Pact.

Even after the breakup, Russia had a nasty habit of moving a lot of tanks right to the Russian/Polish border whenever Poland was doing something it didn't like, or announcing it was moving warheads near to Poland. Or couldn't be held responsible if the natural gas supplies were cut off in winter.

Some things were just annoying. When I was there there was this outrage because Putin made a big deal of the German partisan movement during WWII and how brave and organized they were. And the French. And various others. Somehow, at the end you'd have to conclude that there was no Polish resistance and, in fact, the Soviet bordered on Germany. Putin wrote Poland out of WWII as an active participant. The only proper role Poland had was to be appreciative for the brave Russians that liberated them from the Germans and helped them for so many years.

And when Poland objects, Russia insists that Poland's a danger, after all look at the Polish invasion during the Time of Troubles.

Young Poles don't get it. Very old Poles miss the benefits they thought they'd have. Most others ... not a happy place.

 

Betty Jo

(66 posts)
34. Bains New Office In Warsaw
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 02:11 AM
Aug 2012

Mitty is still connected to all things Bain.Especially their money.The global network of Bain is all part of Romney.Has any reporter covered the Bain/Romey network in any of the tours stops?The new Warsaw office of Bain,the Ortig Gadiesh military/intelligence relationship in Israel,the HCA Hospitals in England?Reporters should follow the trail of Bain-Romney-Politics around the world.Hot War-Cold War-Money War.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
39. U.S. deflects missile defense criticism
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:21 AM
Aug 2012

U.S. deflects missile defense criticism

WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 (UPI) -- A missile defense system deployed in Eastern European countries is the "most effective program" to combat the threat from Iran, the White House said.

U.S. and Polish defense officials met last week in Warsaw to discuss the deployment of a missile defense system. U.S. Defense Department spokesman George Little said Washington welcomes Poland's support for European missile defense, noting Warsaw was the first country to establish a ballistic missile defense agreement with the United States.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said missile defense in Poland was something U.S. President Barack Obama had "pursued aggressively."

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton this year put new momentum behind the plan after it was scrapped in 2010.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2012/08/01/US-deflects-missile-defense-criticism/UPI-59551343833860/

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