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Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts)
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:46 PM Aug 2017

Already-pardoned Arpaio asks judge to undo conviction

Source: Associated Press


Jacques Billeaud, Associated Press
 Updated 7:26 pm, Monday, August 28, 2017

PHOENIX (AP) — Fresh off his presidential pardon, an emboldened Joe Arpaio on Monday lashed out at his critics and the judge who found him guilty of a crime as his attorneys went to court to throw the court decision that was the basis for his conviction.

The former Arizona sheriff struck a defiant tone in insisting he "didn't do anything wrong" and questioning whether his judge was fair. His comments came as President Donald Trump took a similar posture in defending his Friday pardon of the former lawman, blaming the Obama administration for Arpaio's troubles and calling him a "patriot" who fought against illegal immigration.
 
"I thought he was treated unbelievably unfairly," Trump said.

Arpaio called U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton biased and questioned the growing number of critics across the United States who denounced his pardon as a political reward for having been an early supporter of Trump's campaign.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Already-pardoned-ex-sheriff-asks-judge-to-undo-12103025.php

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Already-pardoned Arpaio asks judge to undo conviction (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2017 OP
that can't happen... chillfactor Aug 2017 #1
It could only happen if he repudiates his pardon marylandblue Aug 2017 #6
"Because accepting a pardon means implicitly admitting guilt" keithbvadu2 Aug 2017 #15
A hidden fact in the case for which he was convicted is that it centered around a baseless arrest... George II Aug 2017 #2
republicn say that facts just clooud the issues Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #7
as facts OFTEN do! elleng Aug 2017 #12
"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan yellowcanine Aug 2017 #18
A fact so hidden its not true. former9thward Aug 2017 #19
what an ugly little man............ Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #3
Indeed shenmue Aug 2017 #4
Karma can't come soon enough.... hlthe2b Aug 2017 #5
He accepted the pardon for the crime he thinks he didn't commit? bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #8
I think he is trying to avoid civil suits Motley13 Aug 2017 #9
I think u be right Cryptoad Aug 2017 #13
Civil suits in this case were long ago filed. former9thward Aug 2017 #20
This is impossible to unravel within his fat-ass lifetime. 5 years after conviction truthisfreedom Aug 2017 #10
That is not how a pardon works. Fly and be free you bigoted asshole. Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #11
He understand the law about as well as he upheld it maxrandb Aug 2017 #16
fuck you, asshole.... dhill926 Aug 2017 #14
could be bluestarone Aug 2017 #17
He doesn't need a conviction reversed to do that. former9thward Aug 2017 #21

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. It could only happen if he repudiates his pardon
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:56 PM
Aug 2017

Because accepting a pardon means implicitly admitting guilt. But a verdict also can't be changed without new evidence or an appeal, so that would be a high risk strategy for Arpaio.

keithbvadu2

(36,804 posts)
15. "Because accepting a pardon means implicitly admitting guilt"
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 10:09 PM
Aug 2017

They are talking about that on the Maddow show.

George II

(67,782 posts)
2. A hidden fact in the case for which he was convicted is that it centered around a baseless arrest...
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:50 PM
Aug 2017

...in 2007 and subsequent lawsuit, and the DOJ opened an inquiry in 2008, before the "politically motivated Obama" was even elected. It was BUSH'S DOJ that started the inquiry!!!

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
18. "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:16 PM
Aug 2017

And yes I know he meant to say "stubborn" but it is still funny and quite Freudian, imo.

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
19. A fact so hidden its not true.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:33 PM
Aug 2017

The DOJ had more than one inquiry into Arpaio. They were closed without any charges or settlements. The federal court in Phoenix made a court order as a result of the original arrest in 2007. This was the basis of the contempt charge. The Obama and Trump DOJ litigated the charge and a judge made the conviction. The Bush DOJ did not have anything to do with the charge or the case.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
8. He accepted the pardon for the crime he thinks he didn't commit?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 08:58 PM
Aug 2017

Is this making any sense at all?

If they reverse the conviction he has to uncommit the crime and unaccept the pardon, no?

former9thward

(32,005 posts)
20. Civil suits in this case were long ago filed.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:35 PM
Aug 2017

And settled by Maricopa County. There are none left to be filed and the statute of limitations would have long run anyway. Apario is not personally responsible for civil suits. Maricopa County is.

truthisfreedom

(23,147 posts)
10. This is impossible to unravel within his fat-ass lifetime. 5 years after conviction
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:01 PM
Aug 2017

is how long you have to wait to apply for a pardon with the Dept of Justice. He hasn't fulfilled that. You have to admit guilt in order to be pardoned. He hasn't done that. 45 thinks he's emperor, but he's just a fat little kid in an old man's body with bizarre narcissistic ideas endlessly running through his head. 45 does not have this figured out, and sloppy joe is an idiot for thinking that 45 has this in the bag.

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
16. He understand the law about as well as he upheld it
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:21 AM
Aug 2017

the fact that this piece of shit was elected over and fucking over again by the people of Arizona makes me want to take a flame thrower to that state.

Fuck him and the racist orange shitgibbon he road in on.

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