Sun Sep 24, 2017, 01:58 PM

Baconator (1,459 posts)

Bill Clinton's pollster doesn't think much of the race Hillary Clinton ran

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Source: CNN

Everyone seems to have a strong opinion about why Hillary Clinton lost.

Clinton herself -- as explained in her new memoir "What Happened" -- puts blame on her campaign, the news media, former FBI director James Comey and WikiLeaks. Donald Trump tweeted this morning that "Crooked Hillary" was simply a "bad candidate."

And now Stan Greenberg, the man who served as the lead pollster for Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign (and Al Gore's 2000 campaign) has written a long essay titled "How She Lost" that slams Clinton (and her campaign) for a series of messaging, tactical and broader strategic errors.

Greenberg concludes: "For me, the most glaring examples include the Clinton campaign's over-dependence on technical analytics; its failure to run campaigns to win the battleground states; the decision to focus on the rainbow base and identity politics at the expense of the working class; and the failure to address the candidate's growing 'trust problem,' to learn from events and reposition."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/23/politics/stan-greenberg-hillary-clinton/index.html?sr=fbCNNp092317stan-greenberg-hillary-clinton0323PMVODtop&CNNPolitics=fb

The video is worth a look as well...

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13 replies	Author	Time	Post
Bill Clinton's pollster doesn't think much of the race Hillary Clinton ran (Original post)	Baconator	Sep 2017	OP
ah the "identity politics" schtick. I was waiting for it.	JHan	Sep 2017	#1
Thank you!! (You beat me to it!) :-)	NurseJackie	Sep 2017	#3
I don't think they realise the implication of their arguments when they spout that bullshit line.	JHan	Sep 2017	#4
Anything that says Clinton ran anything but a good campaign ..	ananda	Sep 2017	#2
Uh, sounds like if only they had hired me! I obviously have all the anwers	justhanginon	Sep 2017	#5
This isn't helpful.	George II	Sep 2017	#6
Dem pollsters are marketing themselves to the new	delisen	Sep 2017	#7
He writes: "Despite overwhelming evidence that the Democratic base wasn't consolidated or excited,	elleng	Sep 2017	#8
Glad you said essay, I don't see how this qualifies as Latest Breaking News.	George II	Sep 2017	#10
Obama did not run a perfect campaign!	PdxSean	Sep 2017	#9
She was so bad that	Liberalagogo	Sep 2017	#11
The bottom line is that Donald Trump is in the White House	Pope George Ringo II	Sep 2017	#12
Locking - this is opinion and analysis from yesterday, not Latest Breaking News	muriel_volestrangler	Sep 2017	#13

Response to Baconator (Original post)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:04 PM

JHan (10,173 posts)

1. ah the "identity politics" schtick. I was waiting for it.

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Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:06 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

3. Thank you!! (You beat me to it!) :-)

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:06 PM

JHan (10,173 posts)

4. I don't think they realise the implication of their arguments when they spout that bullshit line.

It's pretty transparent imo.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:06 PM

ananda (27,526 posts)

2. Anything that says Clinton ran anything but a good campaign ..

.. is just wrong.

She didn't lose. The illegitimate election was stolen due to several factors,
including a very biased and bought media; Russian meddling, hacking,
and propaganda; GOP voter suppression; and Comey's letter on her emails.

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Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:09 PM

justhanginon (3,199 posts)

5. Uh, sounds like if only they had hired me! I obviously have all the anwers

ten months later. It's all so simple (in hindsight).

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Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:10 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

6. This isn't helpful.

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Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:13 PM

delisen (5,815 posts)

7. Dem pollsters are marketing themselves to the new

crop of presidential hopefuls.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:19 PM

elleng (122,784 posts)

8. He writes: "Despite overwhelming evidence that the Democratic base wasn't consolidated or excited,

the campaign believed Trump's tasteless attacks and Clinton's identification with every group in the rainbow coalition would produce near-universal support."

Then, later in the essay:

"The progressive debate must now address: What is the role of the working class and white working class? How do you build off of anger toward an economy that fails the middle class, but still align with professionals, innovators, and metropolitan areas? How do you credibly battle corporate influence and corrupted politics? Can you simultaneously advance identity and class politics?"'

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Response to elleng (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:22 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

10. Glad you said essay, I don't see how this qualifies as Latest Breaking News.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:20 PM

PdxSean (574 posts)

9. Obama did not run a perfect campaign!

Likewise, Hillary Clinton did not run a perfect campaign. However, Obama was not sabotaged by Comey shortly before the election and Obama was not running against a republican campaign coordinated with Russia, and, frankly, Obama was not dealing with a full level of crazy that Hillary had to deal with. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE HILLARY WAS RUNNING A CHILD-SEX RING IN THE BASEMENT OF A PIZZA PARLOR! I know, I know. Only somewhat crazy people use all caps, but this shit is starting to drive me absofuckinglutelyinsane.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:23 PM

Liberalagogo (1,770 posts)

11. She was so bad that

she won the popular vote.

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Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:23 PM

Pope George Ringo II (1,896 posts)

12. The bottom line is that Donald Trump is in the White House

Logically, that probably means that either Hillary was a terrible candidate (she wasn't), or that the list of things which went wrong was as long as your arm. I'm willing to listen to everything because Hillary losing to Trump is like the 137 things which all need to fail simultaneously before the 747 crashes. Was she the better candidate? Of course she was. Was she a perfect candidate? Of course not. But defeating Trump in 2020 (and his lackeys in 2018) is too important to leave any serious stone unturned. Treason, Comey, voter suppression, sexism, and the rest all need to be addressed, but there's a place for honest critique of a campaign. I'm interested in Hillary's take, and I'm interested in other professional views on the subject.

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Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:24 PM

muriel_volestrangler (99,215 posts)

13. Locking - this is opinion and analysis from yesterday, not Latest Breaking News

LBN requires articles to be under 12 hours old; this is over 24.

Please repost in GD. Thanks.

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